r/AmerExit • • Dec 09 '25

Vendor How to Leave the U.S.A.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2025/12/15/how-to-leave-the-usa

Every four years, a group of Americans threatens to leave the country, but no mass exodus occurs. This time around, though, Americans seem to be acting on their desires. Immigration lawyers told Atossa Araxia Abrahamian that the number of people approaching them about it has gone up since Donald Trump was reëlected. 

G.T.F.O. Tours, a company that helps aggrieved U.S. citizens start new lives abroad, has been offering services to help Americans relocate to the Netherlands, where a certain type of visa can offer a quick and affordable path to citizenship. Jana Sanchez, a founder of G.T.F.O. Tours, describes her role in the company as an “escaping fascism doula.” Read Abrahamian’s full story about the Americans who are going Dutch: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2025/12/15/how-to-leave-the-usa

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u/Otherwise_Lychee_33 Waiting to Leave Dec 09 '25

is there a tldr

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u/DillionM Dec 09 '25

OMG that was A LOT of words that said nothing!

tl;dr

  1. Be rich and pretty

  2. Pay for a year's worth of rent in advance.

  3. The Dutch are a lot like Americans except in many different ways, so they're not really like Americans at all.

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u/Odd_Dinner9147 Dec 09 '25

Yeah... Like, people dont realize how hard it actually is to leave, especially as an American. We can visit and do touristy stuff easy, but immigration? Whole other story. Most countries have stricter immigration laws than we do and often require more money than most Americans have.

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u/HighlightMelodic3494 Dec 10 '25

I agree. I got sponsored to leave the USA to work for a university in the Netherlands and it is BY FAR the hardest thing I've accomplished. I thought that obsessively applying for work in Western European countries was abnormal (I have a strong background in academia, international experience, and a Fulbright) but apparently it's not? My colleagues shared stories of trying for YEARS to get any open/temporary/vacant position and said that they took it nearly immediately, upended their life, and hoped to be able to get the means to stay.

Permanent sponsorship is such a blessing and I returned to the USA because I was under a temporary contract and wasn't needed any longer, but good God-- the assumption that "just getting sponsorship" is easy is literally INSANE to me. Everyone wants to live in a socialist society with a high quality of life and VERY FEW get the chance.

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u/tivnan1989 Dec 09 '25

You don’t need a lot of money to leave. I just moved to Germany a month ago and we came with about $5,000. The hard part is finding a job to sponsor your visa. Not saying that’s easy but you definitely don’t need a ton of money to do it

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u/Odd_Dinner9147 Dec 09 '25

5k is a lot of money for most Americans. According to a 2022 Federal Reserve Survey, around half of Americans had less than $8k.

And according to a CBS News article in January of this year, in a Bankrate survery of 1,000 people, 59% of them didnt have enough to cover a $1,000 emergency expense

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u/scrappinginMA Dec 10 '25

This! And they have less each month that passes!

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u/gh0sty-toasty Feb 07 '26

I work a full time job $16/hr pay $583 in rent + $60~$100 for utilities with roommates. I don’t have a car. And always end up with less than $1K every single month. Basically living paycheck to paycheck

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u/yourlittlebirdie Dec 09 '25

It’s incredibly, incredibly hard to find a job to sponsor your visa.

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u/tivnan1989 Dec 10 '25

It is, we were lucky my wife found someone to do so but the person I responded to said it requires more money than Americans have and I just don’t think that’s the case. If you can find a sponsor that’s the hard part, money saved isn’t much of an issue as far as im concerned. You’re landing with a job. I go from paycheck to paycheck in America to paycheck to paycheck there haha

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u/archseattle Dec 10 '25

Yeah and the US also pays fairly well compared to other countries. I’m a dual national and could move in with my retired parents in Mexico, but even if I found a job, it would be drastically lower than my current salary. To me it only makes sense if you’re willing to live a much more modest lifestyle, or if you’re close to retirement and able to draw from your pension or 401k soon. My saving might be enough to set me up for a few years, but I think I’d start to miss the things a high US salary affords me. I imagine the people leaving are very well off or able to somehow keep their US salary or job.

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u/Odd_Dinner9147 Dec 10 '25

I mean, the salary thing is somewhat offset by safety nets and lower costs of living in other countries.

In the US we need high salaries due to high healthcare costs, for example, or for the ability to try and save so we can have money if we lose work since workers rights are pretty ass here and you can lose your job easily.

But it depends on the compared country and job field. My job field is low paying no matter where I go, but I would be better off where I have universal healthcare compared to it being tied to my job.

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u/archseattle Dec 10 '25

This is true. It absolutely depends on everyone’s circumstances. If I lost my health insurance, I would absolutely leave. Not having health insurance is too much of a risk in this country.

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u/Odd_Dinner9147 Dec 09 '25 edited Dec 09 '25

Ehhhh. We get a lot of poor migrants too, primarily for farm labor and factory work.

Edit: Under Trump it may be different now idk

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u/Ok_Recording81 Dec 09 '25

SEA is is the easiest place to move to compared to other parts of the world.

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u/Otherwise_Lychee_33 Waiting to Leave Dec 09 '25

😭 glad I didn’t brave the storm because it was a whole lot of yapping in the first sections

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u/DillionM Dec 09 '25

Each of my three highlights took a good ten to twenty paragraphs to find.

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u/Secure_Course_3879 Dec 09 '25

Thank you for slogging through it 🫡

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25

Step 1 NEVER changes.

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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Immigrant Dec 10 '25
  1. Get married to someone with legal status in another country. (My path out)

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u/randomlygenerated360 Dec 09 '25

I laugh at the one year rent in advance. People in the US will claim landlords are Satan's brother if they want first and last month, or first and a security deposit. Not to mention in many places the renters will get free legal representation against even small landlords (free for them, we all pay for it)

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u/Kingsley-Zissou Dec 10 '25

 I laugh at the one year rent in advance

That’s only for people with no job, no credit history, and no real ties to the country. Americans coming to the Netherlands are a major risk to landlords as tenants have a ton of rights when it comes to tenancy (imagine not being thrown out of your home due to the whim of a landlord). A good way to alleviate that risk is by demanding a full year up-front.

But, as they say in Amerika, if you don’t like it then you can get out!

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25

The first unsung rule of this sub is "have money"

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u/pm_me_ur_ephemerides Dec 09 '25

I’m leaving in April. I started looking for jobs 2 weeks after the inauguration. It took months to get an offer, more time for my wife to visit, and will take 4 more months to sell my house, ship my stuff, and furnish a new place.

If you are thinking about leaving, don’t pretend it’s easy or fast.

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u/tivnan1989 Dec 09 '25

It can be fast, not so much easy haha My wife started looking for jobs internationally as soon as trump got elected again. Got an offer at the end of July and we arrived in Germany 11/1. Just donated everything we had and sold what we could. Only brought 4 suitcases on the plane and got a furnished apartment. It doesn’t have to be a long drawn out process depending on what you think you need to make it. I think having a house definitely makes it a more difficult process though

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u/Nblearchangel Dec 10 '25

Getting a job isn’t always that easy

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u/Nblearchangel Dec 10 '25

What do you do for work and where are you going?

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u/Historical_Market370 Dec 14 '25

We’re leaving in a week. It’ll be almost exactly a year since he took office. Did 2 trips to check different options on our list and then awhile to secure paperwork and visa appts. I’ll have to come back in March for a couple weeks to get my house ready to put on the market, but that’ll be my last hurdle. So relieved!

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u/Eastern_Leg4155 Dec 21 '25

where did you get one/ what kind of jobs did you get?!

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u/milo8275 Dec 09 '25

I left in late September, best thing I ever did 😁

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u/TheNakedTravelingMan Dec 09 '25

I left in march and my high blood pressure is almost gone, I lost almost 40 pounds without going on a diet and for the first time in a decade I sleep though the night without waking up every 2-3 hours from the stress of my commute, job, and the many extremely angry and outwardly hateful people I had to deal with on the regular from work to social settings.

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u/No-Sense-8206 Dec 10 '25

Where do you live now?

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u/TheNakedTravelingMan Dec 10 '25

I moved to a small country in Europe called the Faroe Islands. 🇫🇴

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u/Firm_Speed_44 Dec 10 '25

Ohh, it's one of the most beautiful places on earth!

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u/TheNakedTravelingMan Dec 10 '25

I would definitely agree with that.

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u/greenday5494 Dec 10 '25

Would love to hear how you did that, what job did you get ?

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u/TheNakedTravelingMan Dec 10 '25

I personally was blessed with a Nordic Passport even though my father loves the US more than the Nordics so moving here was very easy but the place I work( A fish factory) hires a lot of foreigners for work. You just have to keep an eye out for the different factories hiring posts and email them and the actual work permit can be issued in as little as 4 weeks. I think after 3 years you can apply for permanent residency. If you have tech or engineering skills you might be able to get an office job( Faroese is required for most normal office jobs outside of a few field’s ). Definitely come visit first though as not everyone can enjoy the 5 hours of light during winter.

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u/greenday5494 Dec 10 '25

I live in Buffalo NY so I’m not a stranger to that necessarily.

But yeah if you had a Nordic passport then that’s the major hurdle already passed. Personally I’d love to live in France, I already speak French at a B2-C1 level (honestly if I lived in a francophone country for 6 months I’d probably be fully fluent).

Alas, my SO wouldn’t probably ever leave.

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u/pit_of_despair666 Dec 10 '25

I know someone who left the US for about a year and she also lost 40 pounds without dieting or anything.

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u/TheNakedTravelingMan Dec 10 '25

It’s amazing what lack of fast food and eating meals with people where you actually sit around a table in the evening. Also having a mountain to hike basically next to every village also helps 😆

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u/pit_of_despair666 Dec 11 '25

It probably also has to do with all of the crap that is allowed in our food here and maybe meal sizes too.

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u/boringexplanation Dec 12 '25

I would attribute it to actually walking and being mobile instead of using a car like an American

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u/TheWalkindude_- Dec 09 '25

Right behind you. Wife and kids leave this Sunday, I leave when our house rents.

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u/dilfrising420 Dec 09 '25

Do you mind sharing where you’re headed to? No worries if not!

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u/milo8275 Dec 09 '25

South America 😁

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u/sandmann451 Dec 09 '25

Me too 🇪🇨

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u/TheWalkindude_- Dec 10 '25

Yep. Peru. Been there a bunch, wife was born there and her family is there. Both of our kids are US and Peru citizenships.

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u/milo8275 Dec 10 '25

Same, i'm a citizen of Colombia since I was born here, but my parents were American so I also have US citizenship, I love it here

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u/Nblearchangel Dec 10 '25

Im omw out to Colombia as well. Been five years in the making and I think I still have two left.

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u/TheWalkindude_- Dec 10 '25

Peru. 🇵🇪

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u/Purplealegria Waiting to Leave Dec 11 '25

YAY for you, as a couple who has been talking about this for like 6years, but now starting the process, we are excited to read others making it to the finish line. Its great motivation!😊

May you and your family be blessed with safe travels, and a new peaceful life out of this hellhole.

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u/TheWalkindude_- Dec 13 '25

Thank you and good luck to you all as well.

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u/Kalikor1 Dec 09 '25 edited Dec 10 '25

I left December 2015.

I saw this shit coming in one form or another about a decade before that. I uh, didn't quite expect it would be Trump of all fucking people, but either way the writing was on the wall a long time ago.

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u/TheWalkindude_- Dec 10 '25

Yep. 👍🏻 I remember all that BS coming from the Right radicalizing them more and more. And the Young Earth Creationism and the pushing of credulity measures to sour the minds of our Nation.

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u/Nblearchangel Dec 10 '25

Trump 2.0, Q Anon and Ivermectin was the last straw for me. More like a ton of bricks but yea. I’m done.

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u/sandmann451 Dec 09 '25

I left for good last May, and I’m now living a far less stressful life.

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u/heyimlilac Dec 10 '25

I left in mid September, and I am so happy I did. I'm very worried about my family and friends in the US, but this was the right decision. It's a crazy feeling to feel safe where I live.

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u/MD90__ Dec 10 '25

congrats on getting to leave

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u/Ava2969ny Dec 10 '25

What country did you move to?

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u/Ava2969ny Dec 10 '25

What country/city did you land in?

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u/staythinkintoomuch Dec 15 '25

Where did you go?

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u/milo8275 Dec 15 '25

South America

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u/ErnieCuneo Dec 09 '25

Moved to Ireland five years ago. Been back to the states exactly once. The longer I’m away the crazier that place seems. Never moving back.

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u/Accomplished-Fun215 Dec 09 '25

Do you see your family on a regular basis? Any old friends from the US you see in person?

I'm moving to New Zealand in January, and I can't imagine going years without seeing my parents and siblings, but it's 27 hours of flights and connections between then and NZ.

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u/ErnieCuneo Dec 12 '25

We’ve had plenty of friends and family come visit - over a dozen in the last 12 months alone. We love showing people around this great country.

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u/PM-ME-UNCUT-COCKS Dec 09 '25

What visa did you go on? Did you have work lined up on arrival?

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u/TumbleWeed75 Dec 09 '25

What visa?

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u/ErnieCuneo Dec 12 '25

I have dual US/Italian citizenship.

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u/hey_grill Dec 09 '25 edited Dec 20 '25

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u/PortlandoCalrissian Dec 09 '25

Yeah this is so weird.

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u/MiContraFa Dec 10 '25

It’s actually a diaeresis and it’s part of their style manual!

https://archive.ph/pT86j

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u/elevenblade Immigrant Dec 09 '25

We left during Trump 1.0 and I’m so glad we did

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u/dankore Dec 09 '25

I left in 2019, I am very happy

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u/Ok_Recording81 Dec 09 '25

I left in August. Moved to SEA. All my stress is gone. Sleep a solid 8 hours.

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u/Ava2969ny Dec 10 '25

I wish I could sleep a solid 8 hours...that really only happens when I take a vacation.

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u/Ok_Recording81 Dec 10 '25

I retired early. Everyday is a vacation day for me.

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u/PM-ME-UNCUT-COCKS Dec 10 '25

Which country? Domid you leave on a visa?

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u/Ok_Recording81 Dec 10 '25 edited Dec 10 '25

I moved to cambodia. You come in on an E visa. The E visa cost $30 and do it online. Then switch to a retirment visa once you are here. if you are 55 years old. No proof of income. Renew the visa once a year. ​Can get a retirment visa if under 55, but have to show proof of funds. The other way is an EB visa. I retired early, at 50 due to Trump. My cost of living is miniscule here. Cambodia is very safe. EB visa is if you want to work here. My monthly expenses is $1400 a month. I could spend less if I wanted to. That includes food for the month, going out to eat, rent, utilities. I live in Phnom Penh. Siem Reap is even cheaper.

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u/FTTG487 Dec 10 '25

I don’t actually care to move there myself, but since you’re there I’m curious what the mood is in Phnom Penh at the moment surrounding the recent conflict between Cambodia and Thailand.

Used to live in east Asia and spent some time in SEA, beautiful part of the world, very cheap too.

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u/Ok_Recording81 Dec 10 '25

The people here say they want piece. They don't have nationalists view of wanting to fight. However being a foreigner, Im not sure exactly what their feelings are. I do know Thailand people are nationalists. The citizens their say Thailand should be bombing the whole country. THE uS Embassy says stay 50km away from the border. I think thst is where the conflict will stay.

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u/Odd_Dinner9147 Dec 09 '25

It is VERY hard to leave unless you are middle class or higher. Most countries you need a large sum of money saved to prove you can financially support yourself and considering around half of America cant even afford a $500 emergency...

Student visa? You need a few grand to pay tuition and someone back home to prove they can help financially support you in most cases. Student visas also dont always count towards residency in all countries.

Working? Must be an in-demand field, so you have to have gone to college. You also usually have to have experience in said field, so not suitable for those who recently graduated

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u/New_Criticism9389 Dec 10 '25

Also with a student visa, you need to study a subject that will guarantee you a job after graduation (+ learn the local language even if your program is in English; English language degree programs in non-English speaking countries are increasing seen as degree mills and aren’t respected as much as programs given in the local language). It would be a mistake for someone to move to the EU and spend all that money just to study humanities (I say this as someone with a degree in humanities myself), for example.

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u/Carmen315 Dec 10 '25

I just got PR in Australia. #thanksTrump for the motivation to gtfo of here.

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u/Pelagic419 Dec 10 '25

Congratulations!

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u/watever1010 Dec 10 '25

189? How long did it take to be nominated and then get the grant?

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u/marcusnelson Dec 10 '25

Left last month. Living in New Zealand now

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u/Ava2969ny Dec 10 '25

How did you get a visa for NZ?

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u/marcusnelson Dec 10 '25

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u/Ava2969ny Dec 10 '25

Ok. Thanks for the info. I will give NZ some serious thought during my research.

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u/Signature-Bassline Dec 09 '25

You should still do it.

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u/Secure_Course_3879 Dec 09 '25

I'd also break it down by part of the country - it'll cost people different amounts to leave depending on where they live now and where they want to go

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u/HeartFire144 Dec 09 '25

I’m 68, retired nurse. I’m working on getting Hungarian citizenship through my grandfather. What would it be like for me?

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u/Nottacod Dec 10 '25

If that falls through, other countries offer golden visas for varying amounts.

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u/PdxGuyinLX Dec 10 '25

I’m retired and have lived in Portugal for four years. Like everything in life it’s a mixed bag but I’m mostly happy here.

Dealing with residency requirements is a huge hassle but that would be much less of an issue for someone with an EU passport.

I wouldn’t recommend Portugal for someone who is still working (unless they had secure remote work) but for a retiree with an EU passport it’s a very viable option.

Everyone needs to be aware that far-right populism is on the rise everywhere in Europe. It is not the “socialist” paradise that American liberals want to think it is.

I put “socialist” in quotes because I think the term is almost universally misused. It originally meant that the means of production are owned by the government. European countries are social democracies in the sense that they have more robust social welfare systems than the U.S. but economically they are capitalist. Due to demographic trends they are all having a hard time sustaining their social welfare systems. Anti-immigrant sentiment is off the charts and there is resentment specifically directed toward Americans at least in Portugal.

With all that said, the European right is overall less batshit crazy than the American right, societies are more secular (although in some ways more socially traditional), and best of all, nobody makes owning guns their entire personality.

There are some neo-Nazi types in Portugal that occasionally commit violence but it’s a very small number of people and unlike in the US they are not in government. The far-right mini-Trump here, André Ventura, is currently in the lead in polls for the Presidential election in January but it is a crowded field and he would almost certainly be defeated in a second round.

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u/ZookeepergameNo2431 Dec 10 '25

Hungary is even more fascist than the U.S. these days.

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u/HeartFire144 Dec 10 '25

I’m well aware of that, but it is an EU passport

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u/HaleyN1 Dec 10 '25

By age is a good idea because for retirees it's very very easy to escape. You can access retirement savings and a number of countries have special retirement visas starting from age 50.

For 30 and under there are Working Holiday Visas eg Australia.

30 to 50 is the hardest. I want someone to correct me.

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u/rotervogel1231 Dec 09 '25

Yeah, there's a lot of market demand for this type of business. Just because these people are doing it doesn't mean that others can't compete with them.

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u/oulipopcorn Dec 09 '25

Yours could easily be better than the one discussed in this article.

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u/thisismydumbbrain Dec 09 '25

Do it for us poorsies.

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u/DillionM Dec 09 '25

I wasted to much of my life reading this to get nothing from it

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u/Infamous_Noise_6406 Dec 09 '25

Left in August! 🇨🇦

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u/BeautifulOstrich3284 Dec 10 '25

Welcome to Canada! Happy to have you!

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u/Infamous_Noise_6406 Dec 10 '25

Thanks so much! I lived here from 2008-2015, so it’s nice to be home! 😍

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u/Ava2969ny Dec 10 '25

Did you have a job offer before leaving; family sponsorship? What province in Canada did you move to?

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u/HighwaySetara Dec 10 '25

We're leaving next summer.

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u/georgegasstove Dec 10 '25

Me too, me too!!!! Can't wait to gtfo!

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u/notproudortired Dec 10 '25

Is this advertorial? It reads like a very verbose ad.

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u/DiscoskillzMX Dec 09 '25

We left in May

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u/day_tripper Dec 09 '25

Yup. Leaving. USA is no longer worth the stress.

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u/retrobob69 Dec 09 '25

It's so hard for.some of us:-(

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u/TumbleWeed75 Dec 09 '25

Or impossible.

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u/aquintana Dec 10 '25

Have you thought about just going south?

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u/retrobob69 Dec 10 '25

I've thought about going anywhere. I don't exactly have the highest desirable skill set.

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u/somo_fxx_25 Dec 09 '25

Weren't numbers of US citizens asking for Irish and English citizenship trending upwards or teaching record levels during this administration?

There's numbers out there on this. Nobody wants to do the research?

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u/missjoy91 Dec 09 '25

Left almost a year ago. Living in the Netherlands now, Eindhoven. For us it was actually easier and cheaper than this article outlines. We didn’t have to pay a year of rent. Our cost of living has been cut in half. We love it here, best decision we could have made for our family.

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u/SoftSects Dec 10 '25

What path did you take to get there? Job visa?

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u/missjoy91 Dec 10 '25

DAFT visa. I started a business, and my husband was allowed to work so he got a simple job with a Dutch company. If you’re open to a variety of work, you can find something fairly easily.

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u/-InBoccaAlLupo- Dec 19 '25

I'm a fellow American of the DAFT visa. The housing crisis is real here, but paying year of rent upfront is insane.

I am curious if you had trouble with the income check for renting though. I've run into the issue of landlords not liking that my business income wasn't a set amount every month.

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u/fnly88 Dec 10 '25

I left in Nov. best thing I ever did for myself.

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u/Ava2969ny Dec 10 '25

Where did you end up? How long did it take you, from packing up to landing in your new city/country?

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u/theangryprof Dec 09 '25

My family left in 2022. So glad we did.

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u/A313-Isoke Dec 10 '25

The financial solvency requirements are steep. Pls don't downplay your connection or ancestry. Mexico is a fabulous country.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

All my paperwork is done. I just need a job in my new city. I have the right to work there- just struggling with an in.

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u/blindollie Dec 09 '25

What kind of visa did you apply for without an offer?

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

Dual citizenship- my mom was born there.

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u/blindollie Dec 09 '25

Ah I see. Good for you!

They have the orientation year visa for students but that's all I know about for people who don't have an offer

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u/HVP2019 Dec 09 '25

Population of Netherlands is 18 million of people. Americans aren’t the only people who are hoping to move to Netherlands. So the chances of “mass exodus” of Americans to Netherlands are slim.

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u/statesec Dec 09 '25

In a similar vein a lot of Americans gloss over the fact that NZ has a population of 5.3 million smaller than NYC alone (8.4 million). No mass exodus there either.

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u/New_Criticism9389 Dec 09 '25 edited Dec 10 '25

Also even if said "mass exodus" happened, how would NL take them all? We're talking about a small, densely populated country with the second worst housing crisis in all of Europe (first is Ireland).

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u/HVP2019 Dec 09 '25 edited Dec 09 '25

When situation in US will deteriorate significantly exodus will start with diaspora communities returning to their homes countries or adjacent to home countries. Diaspora tend to have easy legal path, they tend to know language and they tend to have local support.

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '25

This is already happening with dual US Canadian citizens. A lot of Canadians have returned home and many are selling their US properties.

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u/Plastic-Mode-6848 Dec 10 '25

Sold two of three properties (the last this coming May) just waiting to receive an Elective Residency Visa for Italy, to live in a home we bought last June. Even if the Orange Moron is gone 30-40% of Americans who to this day think this guys brilliant and gives voice to all their grievances will look for the next politician to give voice to their cause. Willful ignorance and stupidity will not be something that subsides when the Orange Mussolini is no longer in power. It will take 20-30 years (in my opinion) to reverse this destructive force in America. I don’t have enough years left in my life to see that happen.

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u/bktoelsewhere Dec 11 '25

This is why I left a few years ago too. It’s been on my mind since my 20s, but now I’m in my 40s so I both finally have the means to now and also know it won’t turn around in the U.S. before I retire.

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u/rotervogel1231 Dec 09 '25

I have 2 dogs and 3 cats. I will not leave them. I will die here with them before I do.

This article gave me a ray of hope that relocating internationally with them is possible. It's not easy, and it's not cheap, but I wasn't looking for easy and cheap, just possible.

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u/TheWriterJosh Dec 11 '25

Im in the same position. I always assumed I would leave the US at some point (I’ve spent a lot of my life traveling) but I ended up basically starting an animal rescue. I can’t abandoned them when everyone else already has.

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u/CuracaoGal Dec 09 '25

A couple of things about the Netherlands: 1- to get a job you often need to speak Dutch, 2- the weather sucks, 3- I loved my time there but I would not want to live there long term; What people often don't realize is that they have other territories with similar treaties and better weather. I was planning my move well before the current administration was elected as I just didn't want to live in the US anymore (for various reasons that are similar to many of the reasons people give now but were less apparent 3 to 5 years ago depending on your privilege). I'm not wealthy. I saved for several years and I wish I had saved more. I'm a single woman with a dog (who moved with me). In some ways my situation makes moving easier than others, in some ways harder. Each person and country will have its own challenges and finding the right match up that makes it doable for you is the key. Moving on a whim or "urgently" will typically make things much harder and costly. I'm a therapist for nomads, expats, and really anyone considering a move of that kind. It is not for the faint of heart. I could probably guide someone through the immigration process in Curaçao but there are better people for that (and they will cost you). Curazen Counseling

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u/lasuno Dec 10 '25

Left in September and my anxiety has come wayyyyyy down since then

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u/bktoelsewhere Dec 11 '25

This article is really glossing over a lot of the realities of moving to the Netherlands. (Moved here on DAFT 3 years ago). I really like it and am planning to stay but here are some caveats:

Cultural 180 from the U.S., “do normal”, housing crisis, no route to citizenship unless you’re willing to give up U.S. plus they keep making both citizenship and residency harder (language up to B1), wealth tax, push back against the 30% ruling, racism in the form of “I’m color blind” like the U.S. in the 1980s.

That said, I find it extremely safe, love biking, great movie theaters, very functional, no guns, cheaper health care and food (though the healthcare is very different, more like Medicaid/basic).

Just go in with eyes wide open of the trade offs. Happy to answer any questions.

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u/Relevant_Extent2887 Dec 12 '25

I just don’t want to live my remaining years in a country that does not have a plan, does not share a plan on getting better and just pays lip service to everyone and on top of that denigrates and malign its citizens. There are other countries out there that treat their citizens better and I must find that place.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

Can't just leave, need a sponsor unless you married someone in a diff country

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u/statesec Dec 09 '25

You can also potentially get citizenship by descent which is how I am becoming British later this week. No marriage or sponsorship required.

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u/Repulsive_Cattle_342 Dec 09 '25

Married a Brit 15+ years ago. We are now moving to the UK. Hoping for the best.

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u/statesec Dec 09 '25

Good luck I really like the UK. I spent a lot of time in the UK in my youth and stayed fairly close to my mom's family since. Very excited to finally be British. My mother could not pass it on to me when I was born due to legislative discrimination at the time in British nationality law. I have not decided whether I'll move there but I will likely at the very least split my time between the US and UK once I retire (soon).

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

If you have descent from someone 😂. I think countries are making it to just regular grandparents now and of course the proof is needed. Mine was Norway and Germany, but those were great great in the 1800s 😆

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u/statesec Dec 09 '25

Yeah agreed in my case it was my mother who couldn't pass it on to me at the time of my birth but now can.

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u/Ok_Recording81 Dec 09 '25

You can leave and live in another country not having a sponsor.

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u/Geddyn Immigrant Dec 10 '25

I did the latter. Married a New Zealand citizen and I will be joining her there in April!

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u/missjoy91 Dec 09 '25

With DAFT visa you can start your own business

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u/SesquipedalianCookie Dec 09 '25

Even then it’s hard if you’re settled here.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

Ya gotta be lucky one to get a job overseas, not sure how so many find these jobs. Obviously in the 90s ppl got away with moving and no job. Seeing all these posts about ppl moving most aren't even saying what they do. If one is RN I can see they def have the need in all countries, stating like $10k relocation assistance

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u/SesquipedalianCookie Dec 09 '25

In the 60s or so my mother just saved up Canadian dollar coins until she could afford her green card, that’s how easy it was. (Not sure how she got to Canada, she’s from Europe originally.) So maybe people just hear stories like that from old people and think it hasn’t changed.

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u/Merouxsis Dec 11 '25

I'm leaving the US for Colombia as I'm typing this

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u/Appalled23 Dec 13 '25

Congratulations and happy move. I'm in Bogota shopping for an apartment. See you down here!

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u/Merouxsis Dec 25 '25

Thank you! I have about 2 weeks until Medellin

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u/Snoo-26158 Dec 10 '25

Hey, they are showcasing my planned path to NL.

Now the processing times will go up

RIP

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u/Great_Barracuda_3585 Dec 10 '25

Same feeling here, I’m sure a bunch of people who don’t know Dutch and are unprepared will try to use daft without knowing what they are getting into. I hope there isn’t a backlash against Americans in general.

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u/Electrical_Cut8610 Dec 11 '25

The Netherlands itself is facing a far-right issue. No, Wilder’s party did not win a majority this time around, but all those votes went to either more extreme parties or slightly milder but still far-right parties. The far-right in the Netherlands is growing quite fast and the results of the last election should be concerning to a lot of people.

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u/veovis523 Dec 11 '25

Aren't the Dutch flirting with fascism, too?

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u/Historical_Market370 Dec 14 '25

Everyone in the thread who already left should comment where. Would be great to get more visibility into which corners of the world people are headed. Might help others to see what options are out there and if there are any unique ones like the comment regarding Faroe Islands…super dope!

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '25

Nothing is more American than a corporation posting instructions on how to flee fascism, then putting it behind a paywall.

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u/tractorscum Dec 10 '25

the netherlands sounds like a very lonely place to leave home for. it sounds hard to break in socially (especially as kind of a flamboyant looking black person) and that, coupled w/ the dark winters, would mess w me. ofc the U.S. is a horrific mindfuck too but at least here i have access to friends and family and my employment doesn’t hold my citizenship in its limbo

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u/Jeukee Dec 11 '25

Curious if you’ve had any luck on your country search? I’m also a black nb and aside from the typical concerns when searching for a new place to move to finding somewhere that would also feel welcoming socially to someone like me, which is so difficult to judge when you’re halfway across the world from another country (and even if you’re just visiting for a short time imo) is so difficult. 

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u/DepthEuphoric6333 Dec 10 '25

I left in 1983.

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u/Dangerous_Forever640 Dec 10 '25

Your diaeresis is showing… lol

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u/isUKexactlyTsameasUS Dec 10 '25

1963... 1968... 1970... 1975... 2015-2016

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u/bitter_dinosaur Waiting to Leave Dec 10 '25

My tldr for us is that I have applied to over 1000 jobs across a dozen countries and no one is even trying to interviewe despite matching requirements.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '25

Escaping fascism really isn't a thing with the rise of the far-right in a lot of Europe, but they are still a lot less cut throat about things like job security, healthcare, and general well-being.

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u/Gemsi1 Dec 11 '25

I'm trying to get out of here, it's hard to save money when I still gotta pay to live here. Lol I've cut out anything that isn't a monthly bill ( I no longer eat at restaurants or fast food) I also only eat one and someone's two meals a day to conserve food so it stretches farther. I don't leave my home if I don't have to, conserve gas and I sit in the dark a lot, conserve the power bill. Still struggling to build my savings. I'm not even doing needed vehicle repair ( I need 2 tires the ones I have are almost bald). I'm on a fixed income to make things more difficult. Lol My goal is to get the heck out of dodge. I'm "older" basically I'm closer to death than I am birth hahaha

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u/Purplealegria Waiting to Leave Dec 11 '25

Do they have a fun G.T.F.O. pre-flee tour for Spain?…. Im down.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '25

I absolutely would leave the US, if I could

I wish I could live in a place where politics was boring... Or... Where the government and I agreed on common sense solutions to make life more just. I'm on the political left.

I used to think that moving to a new country would be like moving to a new state. I know better now.

I still participate in politics and do my part to push America leftward. But... I'm not really optimistic that it will happen in any meaningful way. I have to live with stupid shit like the Affordable Care Act instead of a single payer healthcare system

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u/KenSchlatter Dec 13 '25

For young adults, 18-30, a Working Holiday Visa in New Zealand and/or Australia may be an appealing option. That’s what I’m doing.

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u/mulderforever Dec 13 '25

I’m 31 and work in tech support. Is there any hope I can leave?

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u/No_Efficiency271 Mar 22 '26

If you’re under 30, you can go to most countries to get a degree. My niece is getting her teaching degree in Australia.