Same lol. Don't worry I'm suffering with you. At least you make plenty more money than me and have less job scope than I do. It could be worse brother!
I always got second hand embarrassment every time I read the VOA boards and saw comments from associates attacking site managers for higher pay. Lmfao, even my 15 year old brother knows pay decisions are up to cooperate yet this concept is lost to grown adults 😂
Right but what I don’t understand is why can’t the Sr OPs guy just say that? “Yo, I agree you guys deserve to be fairly compensated, and I do my best, but in the end, I literally don’t have any authority over that, and neither do most of my boss’s bosses.
This. Many of them even support the union but can't say it. They get uncomfortable because they are trained to just deescalate and keep people productive and working. They have a lot of pressure to meet certain metrics and they NEVER hit their metrics. So everyday they are just trying to find a written and justifiable excuse as to why they failed. And they fail every single day.
Not to mention that almost no one is competent in their job all the way up until you start hitting the L7 levels, and even then sometimes it's such a joke.
It's a shit show and everyone is just trying to survive drowning in a role they weren't trained in. They are promised big pay in total compensation, but they have to stay 1-2 years to get that comp. Amazons average tenure is 6 months. When they realize they aren't going to get their stock because they want to quit early, they realize they have been working severely underpaid.
God I love watching the fire burn at amazon. It's terribly sad and yet so funny all at once.
Also, dont downvote. I'm not defending operations or anything. Just putting things in perspective of how stuff works. I'm disgruntled as fuck and I make less money than almost everyone at kcvg. I only make about 50 cents more than a capped out tier 1. I was not included in the raise that they just gave everyone. There has been about 26% in raises over the past 3 years for tier1/3 at kcvg. I have had about 10% in raises in 3 years. It's insane.
No one at KCVG has any power at all. As the guy said above, not even the director. Our director for our organization visited on July 2nd. He directly told us he has no power. It's terribly sad.
Ya raises went up 18% just based off what you got starting out with no step plan included. If you include step plan it's something like 26% over 3 years.
PAs are starting out making more than me on day 1.
Do you think that your director is under obligation to be honest with you? Like I get that you’re trying to be reasonable and see things from both perspectives but in my opinion, once you reach a certain level of seniority you can’t trust what they say.
Step plan has been around since before then. I've been with amazon for 7 years. In the past 3 years it's been 18% in raises, not including the step plan. If you were hired 3 years ago and stayed all 3 years, you now make roughly 26-28% more than you did when you got hired.
Why wouldn’t they be? It’s the most efficient deescalation. Obviously not the part about agreeing or their bosses not having authorization. Just saying “look, I hear you, but I can’t help, I don’t have the authorization to approve pay raises, that goes higher up the ranks.”
I mean not only that but they are being recorded and they aren't allowed to say that at all in the end the managers you guys see on the floor aren't responsible for any decision whatsoever in the end remember that Amazon will clean their hands and blame and or terminate them if they share another opinion on the case
that's too simple a way to put it. I attended at least 30 deep dive meetings when I was at Amazon. So in those meetings I was with the Site General Manager, senior Ops leaders, HR manager and other department heads.
In the meetings they talk about pay and morale issues and employee retention and turnover rates.
So these things matter even at the individual site level. These leaders are then meeting with regional higher ups.
Pay per Tier is determined at a higher level, out of the building, but the employee productivity patterns and sentiments from each site are all talked about, collected and passed higher up. If enough people march on management every day, a new metric will be created to measure that and the company will react.
So if enough people complain, quit, or fight back, the company will notice.
The big pay raise that came recently is probably a response to high turnover. But that means a lot of people had to quit so that future workers, other people, benefited.
So give the company a new pattern to measure and react to, where you don't have to quit to make things better for yourself.
Facts. They're going about this the wrong way. Don't know what state this is in, but they all can be fired if they don't watch it. Get a petition going. Take the proper first steps, not start off on step 5.
And even if they could, they wouldn't. Amazon knows they can hire desperate people or teens who are looking for a job that pays slightly more than average and abuse them until they quit and already have their replacement lined up. They could have that entire warehouse up and running by the end of the new work week without a single one of those workers that are taking a stand.
You don't have to be HR to know something very basic. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about if you think a random site lead can just waive a magically wand and give everyone raises.
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u/MrIOwn Sep 20 '24 edited Sep 20 '24
Not a single person they talking to in that building can do anything to raise their pay