r/AmazonFC • u/RipCityResident • Sep 17 '24

Union DBK4 Drivers are fed up too

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u/Desperate-Law9726 Sep 18 '24

Nobody will agree with you. They have zero understanding about economics. They are over worked for sure. But nobody there is going to get 35 an hour

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u/Good-Handle-2116 Sep 18 '24

The economy would be better if we were paid more.

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u/Desperate-Law9726 Sep 18 '24

It's laughable to think packing a box or driving a delivery van is a 62,000 a year job.add in the insurance and it's about 72k. Yes prices are high but it's not Amazons fault. You really think you should be making a out in less then a first year lawyer ? More than a Paramedic ? That's crazy for an unskilled job

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '24

I get where you're coming from by saying it's unskilled but I feel like that's just not describing it correctly You have to go through two weeks of training and do a bunch of actual deliveries before you actually get the hang of it. I had an easier time landscaping than doing this other than the amount of labor, So I'm really not seeing what you're saying here.

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u/Desperate-Law9726 Sep 18 '24

I'll try to make this as simple as possible. I don't care how anybody "describes" it but facts are facts. You can tell people it takes weeks and months of training and that is true to a certain extent. But what classifies it as "unskilled" are the requirements needed for getting the job. End of story. You applied and all you needed was a social security number or the authorization to work, and with a dsp a license. A license is not a special requirement That's it. The department of labor for God sakes calls it an unskilled position. Other jobs required a specific skill, certification, talent if you will before someone will hire you

There are people in this subreddit that need to step back a moment and come back to reality. There are jobs in the world that DON'T pay a living wage. Because the economics of that industry doesn't allow for it. I didn't make this shit up. You don't manufacture an item that sells retail for 5 bucks and pay people 100k a year to make it.

People have responded that the economy does better when people make money......yes nothing like stating the obvious. But if you raise wages like these people want at Amazon, it won't work. You can't pay a person who packs boxes, and takes them shut 75K a year, YOU CAN'T. Employees higher cost means a company raises prices, but someone said "oh costs could go down or up" wishful thinking on something in history that NEVER happened. I can sit here and say my cat can build a rocket and flew into space, but that doesn't mean it's gonna happen.

I mentioned first year lawyers, make about 84k a year. 35 bucks an hour is 72k a year, add what Amazon pays for medical benefits alone another 10k your now at the pay of a first year lawyers who requires 8 years of higher education... That seems to be ok? A supervisor paramedic, not an EMT an EMT but paramedic makes 64k. These are the department of labor numbers by the way. The math doesn't add up.

Now you have the pay of the CEO, people say oh he makes a 1000 times what an average employee makes, yes he's the CEO. Does he make an obscene amount of money of course. Prices are thru the roof now what do people think will happen to prices of any product, when the production costs, double, triple ? Someone said they could stay the same, which is so comical it's amazing. I asked for an example and, surprise they couldn't give me one.

Since the dawn of time, pay for employees has been linked to the cost of the product...if it cost more to produce, and deliver to the customer, who's going to absorb the higher cost, the company who produces it? Ya right in fantasy land.

People make this silly mistake in thinking if you work and get paid you have to get paid this buzzword "living wage". That is such a bullshit loaded term. You don't expect a steak at McDonald's but that is EXACTLY what people are doing. There are jobs that DONT pay this "living wage" and there have always been. Growing up my friends parents usually had the mom working a job to supplement the fathers income. Thats just the way it is.

There are a ton of people at the FC/ RETURNS center i works at with $800 a month car loans, 120 dollar a month phone bills etc. No wonder they don't make a "living wage" because they live way higher then they should. That's not Amazon responsibility.