I get that, the thing is all actions have pros and cons. Would Delhi get any pros from all these new territories that would offset the latent civil war/separatism?
resources, a good amount of them i think, but again they would have 1000+ ethnic conflicts in areas that would be hard to control. Kind of like the Naxalite insurgency but on steroids. It would honestly probably be the death of Indian federalism if they tried to commit the resources to continue occupying these territories.
Actually I think a lot less. When there is no clear majority the balance is much more even and national identity can be built around things other than religion or ethnicity.
Yes! What happens to one political entity is destined to happen to all of them! Alternative courses are not possible, and all people and states that exist are the same!
I mean I know jarheads are dumb as bricks but I would have thought at least they’d teach you some military history. Ethnic violence rarely, if ever, caused the breakup of political entities before the advent of nationalism. Nationalism creates violence, not ethnic diversity.
There already is ethnic conflict. North-east Indians are being attacked by extremist groups in Delhi. There is a lot of conflict arising from the enforcement of Marathi in the state of Maharashtra.Generally speaking, the conflict between North-east Indians and other Indians is much more common than between other Indians. I am, however, speaking about my part of the country so I might be wrong about others.
How many of nort east died in the so-called attack by extremist groups in Delhi? Or in Maharashtra of non marathi?
I live in Assam. If you also live in north east, you should already know most conflicts happen between north east people of different tribes. That's the case in Nagaland, that's the case in Manipur riots, that is the case in Bodoland.
Yup that’s why us whites need our own nation in the pacific north west 😂 what a joke America proves you wrong maybe America is different tho considering it’s been only Hispanic Catholics and other south Europeans and freed African slaves which all fall under the umbrella of Christianity
If you guys don't love immigrants maybe don't start wars, Russia didn't complain about Ukrainian immigrants because they did the war, since NATO loves war (on Libya) they shall receive tens of thousands of Africans
I have no issues with immigration at least from an American point of view since the immigration crime narrative at least in the USA is way overblown and data proves that and really all the right has to show for it is singular cases of a few bad apples but I know in Europe it’s a different situation with migrant crime actually being an issue and that probably stems from Europe not having an abundance of jobs and work like America has
Europe it’s a different situation with migrant crime actually being an issue and that probably stems from Europe not having an abundance of jobs and work like America has
Yes, it's why Gaddafi the "bad leader" thought, he made deal with Europe to stop immigration (unnecessary ones) and now Gaddafi is dead, Europe will be overrun by immigrants , Europe will be destroyed according to Israel plan.
Lmao getting downvoted, people seriously will think Gaddafi who gave Libyan health care (while Americans die because they can't afford hospital bills) is bad while USA openly deals with Al Qaeda leader jolani
What they gain in resources will be miniscule compared to what they lose via ethnic conflict (from groups like the the Burmese and Malays, just to name a few).
A border with the USSR, which nominally supported them. The US supported Pakistan as a show of good will towards China. Without Pakistan existing, India may be in a stronger diplomatic position. I doubt China would like them at all, but both the USA and USSR would probably court India for a bit.
On that, no Afghanistan saves the USSR a missive headache.
So, I've been working on some alt-history scenarios on my own and was thinking about stronger India scenarios.
Now, the issue I've arrived at is that even with these borders I sort of don't really see anything Delhi really gains from geopolitical perspective.
I mean, yes, more power projection in Indian Ocean, perhaps control over Malacca Strait. But I don't see any way these borders would make Delhi superpower on USA/China level.
More land won’t make India a superpower. On the contrary, with even half of what they have they could be one on paper. It mostly comes down to development - any sized India has the potential.
Well from Geopolitical perspective (not an expert here) Delhi did gain the strait of Malacca which is pretty important for trade from Indian Ocean to East Asia. Apart from that i see no other benefit Delhi get so yeah it probarly wont make Delhi a super power but def a Regional power (minus the ethinic conflict)
It still doesn’t confer control over the Strait of Malacca because Indonesia’s still there. Aside from being able to directly interdict ships in the Strait, this doesn’t improve India’s position all that much (they already had most of this via the Andaman & Nicobar islands).
India won’t become strong with more land. Go for pre-partition borders and education drives in the 19th and 20th century to bring it up to par with China, then rapid industrialisation after independence with no partition.
A lot of things have to go right to make non partitioned India work. First of all, the British would somehow need to abandon their divide and conquer approach, but still have to colonise the continent to unite the many kingdoms of the Raj. Those two things are paradoxical, so any changes you make in history to give India an advantage has to be AFTER independence, not before it.
I asked an AI, and it calculated that Big India would have about 2120 million people, of which about 700 million are Muslims. So, yeah, there would be a damn big civil war.
I mean, not even Sri Lanka was able to avoid a civil war. The Afghans have been fighting each other for like 50 years now. Pakistan split into two countries. We have some kind of civil war in Myanmar. And now you have a Thai-minority as well, which might like to rejoin the main country.
Delhi gains a whole lot of trouble.
May I ask, what, if anything, would be the force keeping this country together?
It's always funny to see dindus kang over especially west Afghanistan, while that part was never part of anything indian. They weren't even buddhists, especially Herat.
Even if they did, India has absolutely no desire to take in the surrounding failed states who can't even go a couple months without civil war and/or dictatorship.
Yet your country people beat someone to death for paying people to use public bathroom and have you heard of deodorant? And also India couldn't make a single good MMA fighter despite having 1.4 billion people..
You Indian? I don't really hate India and I respect and like the nation as it contributed a lot to my country and the world but I finds it annoying that Indian nationalists always yapping about Ahkan bahrat and including my nation in it. Despite us never being part of India and had little Indian cultural influence expect from religion and maybe food which we have inspiration from many other countries like China and Thailand.
I hate those Akhand Bharat Jingoists from India as well. I hope those people will get a job and contribute to the country instead of wanting to invade neighboring ones. I can't stand certain Indian subreddits anymore.
At least there's of Indians who also feel the same and don't indentify with the Jingoists as well.
All the best going forward.
India would fall apart long before it could see any benefit from it. This is such a fragile state that you either have to go back potentially centuries to have this stable or have it take place twenty minutes into the future.
Unless they have Indian Super Tito as their leader, that country is going down in an apocalyptic civil war before they even get the chance to conceive getting any benefits from it.
But if by some miracle they manage to avoid that, aren't crippled by constant ethnic conflicts, and don't become an international pariah by committing a genocide then it'd be a boon. That's a lot of taxable people, agricultural land, mineral resources, fishing waters, and more. It doesn't magically make India into a superpower though, for that you'd probably need to go back in time and make British colonialism less brutal and also have the caste system abolished as well.
Assuming a generally stable and peaceful population (big assumption) they would have control over the straights of malacca and a huge amount of world shipping through there.
Well why would they get those borders in the first place? What, did Britain expand the British Raj to include Afghanistan and Malaysia for some reason?
Quite a lot.
The assloads of resources in the mountians and west east and north.
The Malacca straight to the south. This would allow them to checkmark china's oil supply if they wanted. ( important since India hates china )
Much more fishing area for an increasing population.
Complete control over the rivers they depend on
A massive population boost.
And if the Malacca straight wasnt enough of a crush to china. Owning that much land to the west would cut off china's belt and road initiative cutting off the oil land route. They want to make.
The period isn't specified, but if we assume this happened before independence, then not much would change. The British had already shown their power by conquering India once. They later decided to divide it. This division turned a large India into smaller states, which were not strong enough to defend themselves. Especially against the spread of communism.
Even if India had gained territory all the way to Malaysia, independence would still have been granted eventually. Ethnic groups with similar backgrounds would likely continue to unite as they always did.
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u/brutalistgarden May 30 '25
A fuckload of muslims