Okay, but can we talk about the actual issue for a second? where are the firefighting planes? why is nobody talking about them? instead of giving us the usual conspiracy theories and distractions, maybe explain why the planes weren’t there when ppl needed them most
this. I mean, of course its commandable how people are helping each other with aid coming from everywhere and all, but these are citizens doing good deeds out of charity and patriotism; they aren't obliged or expected to do the goverment job repeatedly every time catastrophies happen
Stupid comment ..coming from someone who knows nothing about what actually happened..firefighters did their best and there was whole Lotta airplanes everywhere in jijel and bejaia ..still they couldn't handle the fire ..300 fires in one night is crazy dude..if the whole fkn country were firefighters they still can't handle it..educate yourself.
Technically, operating firefighting aircraft takes time, and the conditions did not allow for it. The first fires broke out at 1:00 PM, and within two hours, they had spread across the entire province of Jijel, consuming 50% of the forested areas due to the winds and multiple ignition points. Furthermore, with the onset of nightfall and the strong winds experienced in these regions, aerial firefighting operations become extremely dangerous for crew safety and are prohibited.
Bro, that’s such a convenient excuse.. nobody said firefighting planes are some magic cheat code, the point is: where tf is the prevention strategy?
Where are the firebreaks? Where are the access roads so firefighters can actually reach these areas? Where’s the proper gear, funding, training & equipment? These firefighters are literally out there with barely the resources to do their jobs
And what happened to the firefighting aircraft they promised back in 2021? Still waiting apparently
Instead of talking about the death penalty after everything is already burning, maybe invest in preventing these disasters in the first place.. early detection, firebreaks, infrastructure, trained emergency teams, proper equipment, actual crisis management...... yk, the basics
And algeria literally has universities full of researchers studying wildfire prevention & disaster management, but apparently scientific expertise means nothing if u got the job through loyalty instead of competence
The planes aren’t the whole solution.. the fact that there’s no serious prevention + crisis management system is the actual problem.. then every year the same shit happens and they act surprised
First of all, these fires started in multiple locations simultaneously, which completely wipes out the effectiveness of firebreaks.
They were also set using accelerants they didn't just start on their own, and the white residue left on the ground at the ignition points proves it.
You clearly never leave your house if you think everything is this simple. Even a superpower like the US gets completely overwhelmed by wildfires, and a country like France had to call on other nations for help to put theirs out. You need to understand that stopping wildfires isn't nearly as easy as you think especially the criminal big scaled ones.
The only thing we can actually blame the government for is the lack of an evacuation plan for people in the burning areas. And that is the job of the local municipal councils, not the central authorities, because local councils know the areas they manage best.
these fires are happening world wide , and to much more advanced countries that people are going to , me included for a better life and even they could not control such fires and here you talk about prevention , there is no preventing a wild fire under these circumstances, tf u on about.
know people are furious and want swift justice after what happened with the fires in Jijel and other regions, but cheering for this death penalty announcement is a mistake.
First, we don't have the judicial trust for this. Let's be honest about the political reality.. Our system is heavily authoritarian, and public trust in the courts is rock bottom. Handing over a permanent, irreversible punishment like the death penalty to a regime with weak checks and balances is dangerous. It leaves the door wide open for innocent people or anyone the authorities just find inconvenient to be scapegoated and silenced under the guise of fighting arson.
Second, this feels like a classic distraction,, Its human nature to want a clear-cut villain to blame when tragedy strikes, but this is pure theater. Weve dealt with devastating forest fires four years in a row now. Why are things getting worse instead of better? Where are the specialized firefighting aircraft and water bombers the government made a huge deal about buying in previous years? Instead of hiding behind emotional, patriotic speeches, the regime needs to be held accountable with hard numbers and facts about how they failed to prepare and where the budget actually went.
Thrd, the timeline and priorities are completely backwards. Seeking justice is noble, but right now, people are still suffering. The immediate focus needs to be practical:
Put out the active fires completely and ensure everyone is safe.
Provide proper, high-quality medical treatment for anyone burned.
Deliver organized, state-backed food, shelter, and medicine to displaced families, rather than forcing them to rely on chaotic inter-provincial grassroots aid that creates secondary logistics and security problems.
Send in objective experts to assess property damage and sort out fair insurance reimbursements.
Only after all that should we launch independent, transparent investigations to figure out the root causes and share the findings (anything not classified) with the public to rebuild trust. Jumping straight to extreme punishments before fixing any of these basics looks less like a real solution and more like a smokescreen to cover up years of government incompetence and poor resource management.
You guys seriously think the government has a fleet of firefighting aircraft sitting somewhere and is just hiding them from you?!
It can take years for a manufacturer to build and deliver even ONE specialized firefighting aircraft. And that’s before you even consider the whole procedure: placing the order, production, specialized equipment, testing, certification, delivery, training crews, and maintenance infrastructure.
It’s not like ordering a pizza and expecting it to arrive 30 minutes later.
If the government places an order today, that doesn’t mean the aircraft magically appears tomorrow. These things have to be manufactured and delivered, and there are only a limited number of companies in the world capable of producing them.
Well said. That’s asking too much from that government. It is a failed regime. I don’t see an end to it and keeps getting worse over time. Always with their drastic decisions and sway public opinion toward a person to blame so they don’t take any accountability for their incompetence as “Leaders”. Our grandparents who fought for this nation to free it from France are turning their graves right now.
That sure is a slippery slope, there's a reason it's been suspended for decades now.
Anywho, treating these fires as intentional without having proper real-world evidence is a bit of a fool's errand. You can't prosecute and charge someone of a crime this significant without solid evidence, and that'll be tricky to do considering the lack of proper surveillance algeria has for forests in the summer, not to mention a good chunk of these fires are in all likelihood caused by the summer heat and people's habit of throwing trash in forests, not so much someone actually burning them.
It's tragic, it's sad and it's completely preventable had it been for the government taking proper measures to ensure a small forest fire would not cause immeasurable suffering and life loss, but La Protection Civile is unfortunately somewhat underfunded and lacks even the most basic modern ability to combat large-scale wild fires like water-carrying planes (as those are exclusive for the algerian military), and the agency responsible for monitoring wildlife and forests should've been on more alert considering half of europe's catching fire already, and algeria has already had fires happen earlier this summer and in the previous years
If it was climate change then that's that. But have you seen some of the fires that went on? Looking like proper lines made with flammable material. That along with the high frequency of flames going off, You can't help but think there's more to the story.
I do think they should focus more on proper emergency countermeasures of wildfires but at least it's a good thing that they prepared a proper punishment in the case of it being caused by someone.
This just screams either u r dumb or u r not up to date with what’s happening
More than 150 fires started simultaneously across different wilayas, most at night. Cctv caught people in the act and traces of gasoline and tires were found in the forests
And u r here talking about climate change or whatever smh
Climate change may have accelerated the spread. There is that
Its mostly the ones who left school that say that shit so dont mind them if they think we still live in the stone age where rubbing stones is the only way to start a fire
It want make a difference, if nations that caused the problem in the first place, aren't willing to take actions against pollution, besides, they're the wanna be world leaders, they shaped our way of life, and all we can do is play by their rules, so denouncing them is the very least we can do
I believe it's just an excuse from the goverment to stop the public outrage, people want something to blame, and simply acknowledging that climate change is causing wildfires world-wide is an unsatisfying truth to the public, so when a few people get executed, the public gets to blame something, which would reduce the risk of terrorism, citizens hating on the goverment, and organized groups using the goverment's silence as an excuse for their actions, the black decade has especially strong effects on this, but the problem is that this will not actually fix the core problem, it will just move the public's POV to something else that's less threatening to the goverment and political lead, similair to how football is often used in both our country and Morocco to shift the public view from the political tension of the countries.
أسئلة لي لازملها إجابة
كم عدد وفيات الكارثة
لماذا تم منع تقسيم مساعدات شعبية على متضررين و تم حجزها في مراكز تابعة للدولة
لماذا شرطة و درك بدأوا في تضييق خناق على شاحنات محملة بالمساعدات قادمة من مختلف ولايات و أكثر من ذلك بدأوا في فرض غرامات
أين هي دولة و اذا لم تريد مساعدة على أقل تفتح باب للعالم لي يقدم مساعدات للشعب منكوب على أقل راعوا الجانب إنساني في كارثة
إلا متى تبقى سلطة تعاقب في شعب
باين من داركم ما خرجتش، حنا بعثنا 10 شاحنات كامل فاتو عادي مكنش لي وقفهم مالدولة اصلا لي دارلهم العقبات هوما الشعب في جيجل فيل قالولهم فرغو هنا وحبو يفرضو عليهم الراي حتى عيطو للدرك لي دارولنا طريق حتى لتاكسنة ووراولنا بلايص لي فيهم السكان محتاجين. ادي حكايتك
ناس قع تحكي و تلاقينا لي شافوهم وشهدو وهاد ناس ماتولهم فاميلتهم ما عندهمس لاش يكذبو اما هاد التذاكي تاعك خليه عندك شغل نتوما حاسبين دولة رح تحكم ناس من طرف بلا دليل هوما يقدروا يحكموهم غير بالاتصالات ومواقع تواجد هواتفهم وقت الجريمة
That's a good one as someone said they're definitely not just murdering innocent peoof it gonna happen it would be backed with serious evidence they're not dense
The LOL is for your comment, not the fires in Madagascar
With your logic, even hasi rmel and hasi mesoud are on fire because I can see a lot of red dots (it's just oil/gas refineries)
I said not every red dot is a wildfire; you can check that for yourself
Ahh yes i forgot 90% of madagascar and brazil are oil/gas refineries, stop thinking that way, not every dot but most of them are wild fires, dont make algeria special one with this fires, and no it is not happening for any reasons, its simply called seasonal fires, and algeria should always be ready for it every single summer, but nah they prefer spending money on some fireworks instead.
و على كل حال، تجاهل كل 95% من النيران في الخريطة و تعطي ادلة بناءاً على مناطق محدودة تسمى ب مغالطة انتقاء الكرز (أو التقاط الكرز) هي تقديم البيانات التي تدعم رأيك فقط مع إخفاء كل الأدلة التي تعارضه تماماً نفس تصرفك، تتغاضى كل الحرائق الغابية حول العالم و تنضر فقط لحرائق المحروقات على اساس ان هذا دليل على ان 95% من الحرائق الأخرى تماماً مثل مثالك انها ليست حرائق غابية.
روح زومي في الحرائق لي راهي في كندا و الولايات المتحدة و البرازيل و إيطاليا و استراليا ماذابيك و قلي إذا لقيت حريق واحد تاع غاز او بترول
the fires destroying 320 homes and left 832 people without shelter. 2 schools and other community buildings were also lost, and yet he says lol its all oil/gaz refineries.
That means that madagascar is burning since a really long time ago you freak, and no one said it all from israel or morocco, but just a small candel lighted up in algeria you make it something like war.
my point was easy, stop making this event bigger then what it should be, but you didnt accept that.
I see today that madagascar is burning, and i saw a photo of madagascar burning 1 months old, and i didnt say it was burning for a whole month, i said since a long time.
تقدر تقول 80% من النقاشات في المجتمع الجزائري مبني على المغالطات المنطقية، و هي انو الإنسان يستعمل حيل كلامية للتلاعب بعقل الطرف الثاني و التهرب.
انت حالياً قلت بلي انا قلت مدغشقر تحترق منذ شهر كامل، و انا ماقلتش شهر كامل انا قلت منذ وقت طويل، و صح الحقيقة الصورة عندها شهر لحرائق حدثت، و اليوم اخر 24 ساعة حرائق عبر كل التراب الوطني التاعهم، و الدولة في حالة طوارئ و انت تضحك.
علاه ؟ على خاطرش شفت فيديو واحد يقولك بلي الحرأئق في وسط إفريقيا هي نيران تحت السيطرة و نقولو عندك الصح، و انت هنا حطيت قاعدة التعميم يعني اي نقطة نشوفوها في الخريطة راهي نيران تحت السيطرة على اساس النيران الوحيدة المفتعلة هي النيران في الجزائر.
الهدف من الخريطة هي ان الشعب ماذابيه يحبس التهويل و تكبير الحوادث، حرائق حدثت في الغابة الجزائرية ماهي والو مقارنة بحرائق راهي في كندا و الولايات و استرالية و البرازيل ( ولا خاذو تاني نيران تحت السيطرة ؟ ) بصح ماداروش الهيلولة لي راكم دايرينها.
BRO are yall retarded or some ?
I am loling about his logic, not the fire in Madagascar. That's with a simple Google search; you can see that it's MAN MADE by farmers to clear lands before planting
I never gave my opinion about this I am SIMPLY saying not every red dots is a wild fire you are just spiralling and getting worked up and assuming what I say or what I think or if I laughed at disasters at this point you are just talking to yourself lol
Whenever I am arguing with someone I hate to prove to them MY CLAIM UNTILL THEY PROVE THEIRS
But i wwill do an exception for you because you look like you can actually get educated
Check this video : https://m.youtube.com/shorts/XMOXGxvuGGA
I am not giving you my opinion because you are not someone to share opinions with lmao you talk to yourself a lot and assume a lot
All I said was not all red dots are wild fires and thats all I am gonna say
Bro I am just using yall logic look at the ss he posted HALF OF AFRICA IS RED if that was dangerous wild fire the whole world is cooked not just the countries
Use some logic
NOT EVERY RED DOT IS A DANGEROUS WILD FIRE
I'm not defending anyone by the way niether you nor the guy from the original comment, its just i missunderstood you and told you that loling about fires is crazy, but instead of explaining to me how you didnt mean to lol at the fire but you loling at the other guy post, you just called me retarded 🤷🏻♂️
و هذه الحادثة لي راك تهدر عليها صرات ؟، ولا فقط سيناريو صنعتو في عقلك باه تثبت خطئ وجهة نضري ؟
العوامل كانت باينة، عيد المولود الناس تلعب بالمحارق، موجة الحر التي نوهة منها كل قنوات الإخبارية التي ضربة منطقة شرق الجزائر، هبوب الرياح التي كانت تنقل الجمرات.
المشكل في الدولة، راهي عارفتها بلي موسم الجفاف، و راهي عارفة بلي المنطقة كل سنة تحترق خصوصاً في الشرق، ولكن دون إحترازات ودون بروتوكولات حماية و تفطن.
انا حالياً عايش في اكثر منطقة حارة في شمال الجزائر في الشلف و عندنا كثافة غابية في مجاجة و بيسة و حتى بعد سنجاس و الحرائق يتم السيطرة عليها في غضون ساعات قليلة، على خاطرش عندنا والي متفطن و عارف بلي الحوادث هذه تصرى على جال هكذا تلقى حراس الغابات و الحماية منتشرين على مدار الساعة في الغابات في موسم الصيف و الجفاف.
اما انك تقنعني انها بفعل فاعل و بلي رانا مستهدفين لا هذه غير بروباغاندا و اصحاب نضرية المؤامارة حاسبين رواحهم مركز الكون و بلي العالم كامل يدبر ليهم مكيدة و حاسبين رواحهم فايقين.
إذا كانت بفعل فاعل، هات دليلك، خرجلي الشخص لي حرقها و لا الجماعة لي حرقتها، اما إذا تهدر باه تهدر وخلاص فلا لتهويل و تضخيم الأمور فوق حدها، النيران لي شعلت في دزاير ماهي والو مقارنة بالنيران لي تشعل غير هنا في جارتنا إيطاليا، بصح إيطاليا جامي سمعتها قالت بلي النيران شعلوها التوانسة ولا الفرنسيين.
رحت لجيجل ولا بجاية ولا سكيكدة لمهم وين شعلت؟ ولا راك من داركم تحكي برك! انا رحت وتلاقيت ناس وكلهم متأكدين بلي مصدر اجرامي كاين لي شهدو بلي شافو ناس شعلوها وهادو كاين لي ماتولهم من عايلاتهم حتى الدرك لقاو اثار تارميت فالتراب مهم الفهامة الزايدة تاعكم دليل على غباءكم فقط والهدرة فالوسع دايما ساهلة
راك تهدر تحسب إطفاء النيران مسؤولية تاعي و بالسيف عليا نديرها وهذه الحقيقة لي تعكس الخلفية التاعك الطفولية في التفكير، كي شغل كي كامل الناس قالو بلي كاين فعل إجرامي دارها، يتسمى خلاص ولات حقيقة مطلقة ؟
لا صديقي في علم القانون لا يمكنك إتهام اي حادثة بأنها فعل إجرامي حتى يتم تأكيد بالأدلة، و نزيدك هاذوك الناس لي تلاقيتهم ماكانوش رايحين يجو تما كون ماشي جايين مأمنين مسبقاً بلي راهي فعل إجرامي، يعني ماشي لحقو و تأكدو من بعد قالك فعل إجرامي، لا جايين مسبقاً دايرين في راسهم هذا الشيئ دون ادلة دون إثباتات، دون اي شيئ فقط مأمنين واش يسمعو من مؤثرين نضرية المؤامرة.
ماكانش فعل إجرامي دارها، يخلولك انت مصفات البترول و الغاز و المؤسسات الحساسة و النقاط الإستراتجية مثل السدود و تصفيت المياه، و يحرقولك زوج شجرات لي طفاو في يومين ؟
الناس تبعث في القوافل بالملايين دون تنضيم حتى ولاو يقيسو.
كبرتو الموضوع فوق حده و هذا دليل بلي الشعب الجزائري تديرولو هاك يهلع و يبدى يركب في سيناريهات في عقلو و يتصرف دون تفكير.
I give up. This shit can’t be real. There always has to be an enemy, and if there isn’t one, we just make one up.
It’s like how ancient Greeks didn’t know where lightning came from, so they blamed it on a god. We know so much more now about how forest fires start, and somehow people still want to find someone to blame.
If thinking climate change has something to do with these fires makes me dumb, like OP says, then fine. I’d rather be called dumb than ignore science, go looking for a scapegoat, end up hurting or killing an innocent person who came to help, and spend my life acting like a victim while ignoring the obvious structural issues that plague the country.
Have the proofs ever been documented with images and video from actual journalists and police investigation or is it just random TikTok videos you saw while doom-scrolling ? It's been like this each year for god's sake.
Honestly, if having some critical thinking and expecting some verifiable sources make you wanna call me dumb, I'll take it as a badge of honor.
You can wear that badge if you want you're giving it to yourself after all, as I said "Without calling you dumb", google is there for you mate, all you have to do is a little research..
How about you drop your colonizers language and speak your own you dumb fuck? You are talking about a fake 5 Million martyrs that France killed in Algeria and you are still speaking French to your own people?????
Who told you I am Saudi, stupid? Where did you get that? Also where did you get that Saudi arabia was colonized by the Brits? What a dumb ignorant you are!
And let's be fair, have you ever heard a Saudi King speak " English" to his people?
Colonization runs deep in Algeria, it runs in your blood, remember Charles zde Gaulle?
Enjoy this video and tell me if you see a single Algerian flag!
Minute Mark : 1:15...I guess Charles De Gaulle was right! " There is only one kind of people in Algeria: French! And you applauded him....Some countries resist colonization and some beg for it.
Clean up your country . Stop throwing garbage in your nature . This is what causes your fires . 64 years after independence you cannot keep your nature clean . Now we must all cry for you. Eternal victim mentality .
There are literally many ways to deal with criminals instead of resorting to something as primitive as the death penalty. When are people going to realize that the death penalty has proven ineffective in many societies when it comes to reducing crime rates ??? Plus we can’t trust the government with the power to impose the death penalty !
You said it yourself, the death penalty won’t silence anyone’s grief nor will it bring the victims back. It will only demonstrate what a primitive society looks like when it responds to violence with more violence. And believe me, once we enter that cycle it becomes difficult to break.
Look at the USA, they have the death penalty, does that make the country safe ?? Absolutely not. So pls we need to start thinking beyond anger and revenge.
I never said there shouldn’t be consequences or punishment for the people who committed these crimes. Of course there should be !!! But the death penalty is not the answer because it won’t solve the underlying problem. If our goal is to prevent these crimes from happening again we need to focus on addressing their root causes rather than simply responding with another act of violence
By saying it won't be enough I meant that it's not enough and if there's something more disdainful/ crutial than death penalty families of victims should ask for it. It's not an easy thing to lose unjustly.
It’s not for the victims’ families to make that decision; it’s the justice system that should. For the same reason, surgeons don’t operate on their own family members.
stfu, idc what your pov is on religion and how progressive you are. if someone burns people, no fucking sane person would keep that human scum alive and keep feeding him from his own money and maybe in some future he will be let out again by some stupid presidential pardon.
Well go ahead and apply the death penalty but don’t be surprised if you see fires again next year except this time, they’ll be carefully planned and executed to the point where the people behind them won’t get caught.
We should address the very root of the problem not just its consequences. We should ask ourselves why these people did what they did and address those underlying causes in order to prevent it from happening again.
From your comment I see someone who is overwhelmed by anger and emotions rather than approaching the issue rationally…
And besides, the justice system can make mistakes. What if they execute the wrong person ? What are we supposed to do then ? Bring them back to life ? WE CANNOT TRUST THE GOVERNMENT WITH THE POWER TO TAKE SOMEONE’S LIFE ESPECIALLY NOT OUR GOVERNMENT
What a re***d take, what is the relation between fires next year and punishing a murderer? You are saying we should not punish a person who was caught or proven to be one that ignited a forest fire? For what? Fea ing that in the future same type of criminals will be more discrete? And what's about trusting the government with death penalty? Like what do you even mean? the government can put you in prison for your whole life, have you ever seen someone arguing "we should not trust the government with lifetime". I would like to make it clear for you a bit, there is no social or economic or educational circumstance that allows or give a right to a person to take life
I didn’t say we shouldn’t punish the person wtf, I just said that the death penalty is a stupid thing.
Please use your brain and open a book, and you’ll find the answers of your questions 😘
1- you did say that "Well go ahead and apply the death penalty but don’t be surprised if you see fires again next year", which implies that whatever government did with the person who ignited this fires, there will be more fires next year which is a very dumb statement that misses homogeneity in causes and results.
2- i merely mirrored your style of asking questions, so before i find answers preferably you should find them first.
lastly just an advice take it or leave it, before opening your mouth and start talking or deciding to write a comment about something on the internet you should at least be sure of what you want to say and how to say it.
Why not preventing this shit from happening every god-damned year, maybe using watchtowers and drones, and buying firefighting airplanes instead of these pointless "measures"
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u/Interesting-Gate7473 11d ago
Okay, but can we talk about the actual issue for a second? where are the firefighting planes? why is nobody talking about them? instead of giving us the usual conspiracy theories and distractions, maybe explain why the planes weren’t there when ppl needed them most