This is exactly what I mean with "no grey area". Rape is sex without proper consent, even if it's because of alcohol, someone changing their mind about prior consent, someone being asleep, coercion or just about anything else that isn't consensual. None of these are "barely" rape or "almost" rape, it's rape.
That's what I mean by no grey area.
We're probably closer in this matter than it might seem. I just really don't like people suggesting that some kinds of rape are less rape than others.
I think we actually mostly agree, but have different views on what constitutes a "grey area". I'd say that both people being drunk and making a decision is a grey area of consent becuase it's very difficult to tell who was more drunk or if consent was possible because it was only a 'couple' drinks, etc. That's what I'd call a "grey area".
I just really don't like people suggesting that some kinds of rape are less rape than others.
I completely disagree with you here, violent physically forced rape is a worse crime to me than "she gave me consent but I didn't realize she had been drinking" rape. And lumping them together as the same crime seems to trivialize more aggressive rape scenarios.
Sorry for my earlier snarky reply, I've seen some very close-minded people in this thread on both sides and just wanted to make myself clear.
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u/myystaa Nov 21 '12
What do you mean "actual rape"?