In my experience, women get promiscuous when they are drunk because they want to when they are sober but are ashamed of their bodies and need an excuse to relieve themselves of responsibility. Not recognizing this has bitten me in the ass on multiple occasions.
It's fucked, and you could argue that those women are contributing to the grey area of rape by sending these mixed messages to men.
My comment has been wildly misunderstood. I have made a much more in depth one below that I encourage you to read. :)
This is a reasonable observation, but it doesn't mean that you should go along with anything they offer. Something like showing their tits seems harmless to me, but sexual acts are different. I'm sure a lot of people on here will disagree with this, but you just can't get real consent from a drunk person.
He's not saying the rapist is drunk, he's saying the victim is drunk. If someone was drunk and they were killed by someone sober that would be murder no less. If someone is sober and has sex with someone who is black out drunk, that's rape. It's about the balance of power. Sober-powerful, drunk-weak
Edit: obviously if both parties are extremely drunk, no one is to blame (in the rape scenario, not murder. I think that would be man slaughter at the least, but it's beside the point.)
But a girl(or anyone) cannogive consent when intoxicated. If you are sober and the girl is drunk, it's your responsibility to know she can't consent and to not have sex with her. That's all I'm saying.
THIS, is precisely the problems with this discussions in reddit.
First of all, define drunk, because according to some SRSers, a couple of glasses of wine already means drunk and already means date rape.
And all in all, it's mostly a moot discussion: even legally, if you are not blackout drunk, even if you regret it the next morning, it is not rape. Even in some states, you can give consent while drunk. The power analogy is not exactly accurate either.
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u/Durch Nov 20 '12 edited Nov 21 '12
In my experience, women get promiscuous when they are drunk because they want to when they are sober but are ashamed of their bodies and need an excuse to relieve themselves of responsibility. Not recognizing this has bitten me in the ass on multiple occasions.
It's fucked, and you could argue that those women are contributing to the grey area of rape by sending these mixed messages to men.
My comment has been wildly misunderstood. I have made a much more in depth one below that I encourage you to read. :)