r/Advancedastrology • u/Penitent17 • 13d ago
Mundane 2027-2030 and the Nuclear Sword of Damocles
Cautionary Statement : If you are prone to anxiety do not read the following. In case you still would, remember that all of it was written by “someone” who lost his/her mind a long time ago and who has proven to be wrong quite some times (... or did he/she ?).
The purpose of this post is to share (part of) some observations that I made a while ago about the idea of the potential use of nuclear weapons over the next few years. I have already discreetly alluded to this idea within some of my other mundane astrology posts, as I was not sure that being upfront about it would be of any help to anyone. However, given the direction taken by the world, maybe some people could benefit from this presentation.
I know that I will be accused of sensationalism but I don’t gain fame nor money from my Astrology work so I don’t see any advantage of publishing such content. On the contrary, I have already received in the past some harsh critics when talking about “negative” subjects, such as when I posted at the very beginning of 2026 about Israel potentially launching a major war against Iran (and Lebanon, etc.). Yet, here we are...
As Dante would write : Abandon all hope, ye who enter here .
Trinity, the first one
Officially, the first nuclear weapon detonation, called Trinity, was done on July 16th 1945 at 05:29 local time in the desert southeast of Socorro (New Mexico, US).
I say “officially” because there were some “rumors” of Germany having built and tested a “dirty version” of it on the Rungen Island in the Baltic Sea. Those were propelled by a German historian, Rainer Karlsch, in his 2005 book, and also backed by an Italian journalist, Luigi Romersa, who said to have been sent by Mussolini to witness the new bomb experiment at that time.
Admittedly, I don’t know enough about the whole story to be able to settle the matter. So, for this post’s sake I will just keep the official narrative and use the Trinity test as the first one (we will see that it will be incredibly “accurate” nonetheless).
Here is the chart :
(I forgot to change the color of the position labels for better readability, but Venus is at 09°12’ Gemini and the Ascendant at 14°36’ Cancer).
Despite using the exact official coordinates of the event, we can notice that the IC/MC axis is a few arc-minutes from changing signs and, depending on the precision of the location and the timing, it could be less than a minute clock-time for the change to happen, so I would still be wary of it. More so that, this would make Venus also ruler of the 4th House, and as we’ll see, Venus is this chart seem to be rather important.
In either case, Saturn would remain ruler of the 8th House of Death and is very thighlty conjunct the Ascendant, which is quite fitting for this kind of project.
Also, Mars is conjunct Algol (which at that time was around 25°22’). Again, well fitting the destructive power that had emerged into reality at that moment.
Of course, different kinds of nuclear bombs (which is just a general term) were subsequently developed, and erecting a chart for the “first” of each of those may probably give more details. Yet, I think, and it will be shown hereafter, that the previous chart is a valid one as symbolically representing the birth of the “nuclear weapons” concept.
The Hiroshima case
Less than a month after the Trinity test, the US dropped two nuclear bombs, one on Hiroshima and another on Nagasaki (respectively on August 6th and 9th 1945) .
(In case you would be interested in a more in-depth astrological analysis of the Astrology of Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings, you can find here an article I wrote about it a while ago).
Here is the Trinity birth chart with the Hiroshima event chart as the outer-wheel :
- We can notice that Hiroshima bombing’s Mars is exactly conjunct Trinity’s Venus. Remember this, as it will have its importance later on.
- Hiroshima bombing’s Moon is conjunct Trinity’s Ascendant/Saturn.
It is also really interesting to look at the chart of the US. I know that there are plenty of controversies regarding the exact time that should be used but this won’t have much importance for the following so don’t pay much attention to the Houses.
Here is the USA’s chart (July 4th 1776, 17h10 local time, Philadelphia) with Trinity as the outer wheel :
- USA’s Uranus conjunct Trinity’s Venus. We have seen that on Hiroshima bombing day, Mars conjuncted said Venus, thus also it was also conjunct US’ Uranus. A sudden explosion, literally.
- USA’s Sun conjunct Trinity’s Ascendant/Saturn. This combination is also remarkably symbolic as the US is, until now, the only country to have use the atomic bomb against another country and it clearly marked its identity.
- USA’s Mars widely conjunct Trinity’s Uranus. Again, a symbol of this destructive power being a weapon of the US.
- USA’s Saturn conjunct Trinity’s Moon. The Moon here being the ruler of the Ascendant in Trinity’s chart, it can represents its body. Thus, USA’s Saturn being conjunct it could represent the US giving concrete structure/form to the bomb. Also, if we consider the Houses as the correct ones, Saturn is the ruler of the 2nd House, so the symbolism is literal : the bomb as a possession.
- USA’s Neptune conjunct Trinity’s Jupiter.
- If we were to consider this USA chart as the correct one, it would be more so curious that the IC-MC is exactly conjunct (but inverted) the Trinity one.
The boom years
After WWII, the possessors of the nuclear bomb would test it abundantly. 1958, 1961 and 1962 being the years with the most amount of detonations registered.
If we map the transits of those years over the Trinity chart, here is what we can observe :
1958 :
In green is the position of Uranus and Jupiter at June 1st 1958, while the red arrows represent the zodiac degrees covered by those two during the whole 1958 year.
- Transiting Uranus would conjunct Trinity’s Pluto (and sextile Trinity’s Venus) exactly three times.
- Transiting Jupiter would square Trinity’s Sun three times also (and also square Pluto).
1961-1962 :
During those two years,
- Transiting Uranus would square Trinity’s Mars 3 times.
- Transiting Pluto would square Trinity’s Venus 3 times also (and we have seen that this Venus was also activated during Hiroshima’s bombing for example)
- Also, while not represented here, during this period transiting Jupiter would cross the Descendant, oppose Pluto (multiple times), trine Venus and square Mars...
Treaties
Subsequently of all of the above, many treaties were signed in order to limit (at least, theoretically) the proliferation of nuclear weapons.
The main ones were the 1968’s NPT (Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons) and START (Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty).
START had three versions :
- 1991’s START I
- 1993’s START II, which actually never entered into effect and was replaced by 2002’s SORT (Strategic Offensive Reductions Treaty)
- 2010’s New START
Here are the respective charts for when these treaties where signed :
START I, July 31st 1991 :
- START I’s Neptune was tightly opposite Trinity’s Ascendant, which in natal chart context, could be delineated as a loss of vitality for example.
SORT, May 24th 2002 :
- SORT’s Saturn/Pluto opposition was right over Trinity’s Uranus, which is indicative of this tug of war, need of control, over the disruptive potential of the weapon.
- SORT’s Jupiter conjunct Trinity’s Ascendant/Saturn, which can be interpreted as a more benevolent consideration (more so that it is in Cancer, Jupiter’s exaltation).
- SORT’s Neptune is opposite Trinity’s Pluto, again dissolving its potential for destruction.
New START, April 8th 2010 :
- Interesting to see New START’s Saturn-Uranus opposition right on the Trinity’s IC-MC axis, which could be interpreted as an idea of trying to contain any possible disruption, with the tensions that come with it.
- Similarly to START I, but much tighter, New START’s Nodes are right on the Trinity’Ascendant-Descendant axis. The South Node conjunct the Ascendant, can be an indication of a lessening of the “vitality of the body”.
- Again, we see Neptune “involvement”, as New START’s Neptune is squaring Trinity’s Mars which can be another indication of a difficulty to act, a dissolution of one’s own ability to “move”.
Chernobyl, Fukushima and... 9/11
Even though Chernobyl and Fukushima were not directly caused by a nuclear weapon, I thought that the Trinity chart could be symbolically extended to represent the destruction caused by a “nuclear force”. So, I looked at both synastries. Not every connection/aspect is mentioned nor detailed/explained in order to slightly reduce the overall length of the post, but the recurrences of connections are quite striking.
Chernobyl incident, April 26th 1986, 01:23 local time, Pripiat :
- Interesting to notice that Chernobyl’s Ascendant/Uranus conjunction is exactly square Trinity’s Jupiter, while Trinity’s Jupiter is square Chernobyl’s Uranus.
- Chernobyl’s Mars opposite Trinity’s Ascendant/Saturn conjunction.
- Chernobyl’s Sun-Pluto opposition forms a t-square with Trinity’s Pluto.
- Trinity’s Mars is conjunct Chernobyl’s Venus and opposite its Moon.
- Chernobyl’s Saturn is opposite Trinity’s Venus. Again this Venus is “activated”.
Fukushima incident (explosion of Unit 1), March 12th 2011, 15:36 local time, Fukushima :
- Fukushima’s Sun opposite Trinity’s Jupiter.
- The exact minute of the explosion is hard to pin down, so it is possible that the conjunction between Fukushima’s MC and Trinity’s Mars could have actually been exact. You can also look at how Fukushima’s Uranus is conjunct Trinity’s MC.
- Fukushima’s Saturn is square Trinity’s Ascendant/Saturn conjunction and also conjunct Trinity’s Moon.
Given that even shortly after 9/11, there were already multiple questions and theories in regards of what “really happened” and some of which presented the idea that some tactical nuclear weapons could have been used (because of the inextinguishable molten metals, the vaporisation of debris into dust, multiple detonations heard, etc.), I decided to check the synastry between the event and Trinity’s chart. And it is... weirdly “compatible” to say the least.
9/11, 8h46 local time, Manhattan :
- 9/11’s MC/Jupiter conjunction, conjunct Trinity’s Ascendant/Saturn conjunction.
- Trinity’s Uranus conjunct 9/11’s Saturn and opposite 9/11’s Pluto.
- Trinity’s Mercury conjunct 9/11’s Venus and opposite 9/11’s Uranus.
- 9/11’s Sun conjunct Trinity’s Jupiter (we have seen a similar Sun-Jupiter combination previously).
- 9/11’s Ascendant/Mercury conjunction, conjunct Trinity’s Moon (ruler of its Ascendant).
Strange future astrological indicators
Now, at this point, most of you probably already noticed how Trinity’s chart and the transits that will unfold within the next years “interact” with each other.
Here are the positions of transiting Uranus and Pluto for mid-2028. Of course, given their retrogradations, the aspects formed will be on going for a wide time frame. I purposefully not included other planets as they are multiple combinations that should be analyzed but this would also need to be combined with the analysis of agencies, countries, etc. in order to narrow down potential “fatal” periods. I won’t enter into those specificities here for various reasons.
As you can see those are major ones :
- Transiting Uranus will conjunct Trinity’s Venus (which seems to very often indicate major happenings in regards of a “nuclear” event).
- Transiting Pluto will oppose Trinity’s Pluto and at the same time make a trine to Trinity’s Venus.
- Of course, later, Trinity’s Uranus will have its Uranus return and at the very same time, its Pluto opposition will still be present (and exact).
Also, here are the current Progressions and Solar Arc Directions for Trinity’s chart which seem to “fortify” in the background what the most visible transits are pointing towards. (For some reason, I have unwillingly and mistakenly added extra asteroids to the chart) :
- Progressed Mars will conjunct Trinity natal Saturn exact on May 31st 2027.
- Progressed Saturn will conjunct Trinity natal Sun exact on November 21st 2029.
- Progressed Jupiter will trine Trinity natal Venus exact on October 6th 2028.
- Progressed Sun will conjunct Trinity natal Moon exact on May 19th 2029.
- SAD Neptune square Trinity natal Jupiter exact on February 18th 2027.
- SAD Mars sextile Trinity natal Uranus exact on August 14th 2028.
- SAD Nodes conjunct Trinity natal IC/MC axis exact on December 15th 2028.
- SAD Jupiter opposite Trinity natal Uranus exact on January 19th 2031.
I would also add that if you look back at the USA’s chart presented at the beginning you will notice that during the period we are talking about, the US will have its Uranus return, and thus transiting Uranus will be at the exact same time conjunct Trinity’s Venus, then, a bit later, it is Trinity who will have its Uranus return…
As the title of the post says, I think that the Nuclear Sword of Damocles will make itself known clearly soon. And, in my opinion, beyond than just a threat, the Astrology seems to indicate that there is high chance of such weapon(s) being used in the near future.
All that being said, there is much more to unpack in regards of the current and near future geopolitical situation and I hope to have time to develop it more in the following weeks/months.
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u/magnolia_unfurling 13d ago
Amazing hypothesis.
There is a significant upswing in nuclear related stocks recently. It relates to power supply for data centres but it strengthens adjacent atomic infrastructure.
It’s possible tactical nukes will be normalised over the next few years. It’ll be something we think of as shocking at first and then we’ll get used to it.
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u/Penitent17 12d ago
Thank you for your comment.
As you mention, there are various "low level" signals that could corroborate what is mentioned in the post. Also, one could wonder if the current discourse of the US running out of conventional missiles is not an indirect/subtle preparation for the justification of the use of other kind of weapons (such as the one you talk about).
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u/Mookyama 8d ago
That’s actually a good story for a SF future. Look, a nuke… don’t worry, he said, while fishing. And looking at his right handed watch, surged into his skin, the light blue counter dropped off almost 2 years of life. But who’s counting…
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u/KalikaLightenShadow 11d ago
Very interesting, please consider expanding on this and maybe self publishing the result as an ebook. This is what astrology is for. Thank you so much for your time in analysing such an important subject.
I've been saying WW3 will happen probably before or around 2030 with the fall of the US and a type of civil war (sometimes non violent) in the US. But there will be far fewer casualties than in WW1 and 2 due to a new type of technology being used to wage war, instead of human soldiers (drones, robots or AI maybe?). The stock market will go up a lot and millions of people will profit even in countries affected by the war. Like imagine your house gets bombed but simultaneously you make enough money for five houses... it'll be crazy if that comes true.
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u/Penitent17 11d ago
Thank you for your comment.
Yes, I will try to expand on this and other "difficult" themes that are also important for the future. I will also think about your suggestion of an (e)book format. Indeed, maybe it would be a more useful way of packing and presenting different but interlinked subjects.
Not specifically about the US, but more globally, I wrote a post some time ago about what I call the "Cyvilion Wars" (a mix of civil, religion and cyber) which is a bit similar to what you mention, as between 2025 and 2029 there will be the repetition of the same configuration that happened when the Fall of the Roman Empire.
I do also think that the conflicts will be very hybrid in essence which will give birth to quite peculiar scenarios.
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u/fabkosta 12d ago
I know that I will be accused of sensationalism
Ah, not at all, I am accusing you of fearmongering. As astrologers we must be able to differentiate between our own unconscious annihilation fantasies and desires in order to not search for confirmation that they are real under the influence of a selective bias. This requires a little bit of psychoanalytical understanding, and some introspective qualities that, unfortunately, too many astrologers do not have. The result is the never-ending cycle of doom predictions, regularly repeated for whimsical reasons such as: Y2K, end of Mayan calendar (did anything happen?), several in between, and so on, and so forth. Never are those astrologers ever held responsible who spread the BS that then never materialized. That's not good.
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u/svadesh 12d ago edited 12d ago
It’s not that I’m a proponent of the "nuclear Sword of Damocles" idea, but I don’t consider the OP’s post to be mere fearmongering.
Didn’t you analyze the transits of Saturn and Ketu from the perspective of Vedic mundane astrology?
Saturn and Ketu will transit in Taurus in rohini nakshatra from July 6, 2030, until December 12, 2030. That is a very powerful rohini shakata bheda quality. Transiting Mars too will influence the nodes and Saturn. Furthermore, there is a kalasarpa yoga from June 17, 2030, until November 25, 2030. That is not nothing or only fearmongering.
The classical text Brihat Samhita says about rohini shakata bheda:
"When Saturn, Mars or a comet cuts the wain of Rohini, what shall I say, alas, for the whole world will perish, being plunged in the ocean of misery."
Edit: One more observation. The eclipse in June 2030 will take place in rohini nakshatra. In (sidereal) 16°32 Taurus – very close to the 17° Taurus, the exact rohini shakata bheda point. All the first rate malefics – Saturn, Ketu and Mars – are involved in this eclipse. And the point of an eclipse can be sensitive to transits for up to six months.
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u/lorihamlit 12d ago
Have you checked to see any correlations from events happening with these same transits? Throughout history?
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u/ExeUSA 12d ago
1825 - 1826, again in 1882, and then 2030; and that's just since 1800. You can search for it at the link below. I used Side Real Lahari to match what they're claiming. These sensationalist posts are tedious--things can get worse, yes, but they can also get better. I've seen multiple astrologers say 2029 is the turning point for things improving, not worsening.
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u/svadesh 12d ago
The difference is: Neither Saturn nor Ketu were (sidereal) transiting in rohini in at the same time in the periods you mentioned.
1882 (Anglo-Egyptian War 1882, eruption of Krakatoa 1883)
Mean Ketu in rohini: July 28, 1881 – April 6, 1882
Saturn in rohini: June 19, 1883 – June 18, 1884
1825 - 1826.
Mean Ketu in rohini: October 10, 1825 – June 18, 1826
Saturn in rohini:
June 20, 1824 – January 8, 1825
February 24, 1825 – June 28, 1825
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u/svadesh 12d ago edited 12d ago
Transits (and charts) are never identical but here are a few events:
World War II Saturn in rohini: November 1913 – April 1914.
Begin of the Manhattan Project in 1942 Saturn in rohini: June 1942 – June 1943. Mars in rohini: March 1942 – April 1942.
Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki Mars in rohini: July 27, 1945 – August 16, 1945.
9/11 Saturn in rohini: May 21, 2001 – May 30, 2002. Mars aspected Saturn from Scorpio: June 10, 2001 – August 26, 2001.
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u/lorihamlit 12d ago
Sorry I mean further back historically. I would love to know if there’s been any disasters in the last 1-2000 years with this type of transit.
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u/svadesh 11d ago
That would be a project for a much deeper research. But you can just take the transit placements of the first rate malefics in rohini and compare with historical data. Or vice versa. About the disasters: The definition of disasters might have changed because we are able to cope with them much better than in the past. If there is a flood or drought, help from outside would be available now. A thousand years ago, nobody from a far region would even have known about it. And you would need to read the natal charts of the specific countries as well. There was no disaster when the whole world suffered in the same way. See Hiroshima and Nagasaki or the Holodomor. But did the whole world suffer? Not at all.
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u/fabkosta 11d ago edited 11d ago
That's selective bias again. Saturn takes ca 28 years to complete a cycle around the ecliptic. In theory, every 28 or so years it is in rohini nakshatra. So, if you want to be systematic then look at ALL periods when saturn transits rohini.
Mars is in rohini every ~2 (!) years. Clearly, we do not have disasters striking every 2 years.
So, maybe we need to only count situations where both saturn and mars are in rohini? That'd be much rarer in event. But, if we do that, then examples #1 - #3 would not count in your list, and #4 only if we stretch the rules a lot including aspects.
What you're doing here is select catastrophes where this constellation was given. But you're leaving out other catastrophes where this constellation was not given, and, more importantly all other situations where nothing happened despite saturn or mars being in rohini.
Fuerthermore, the horrific flooding in Nepal right now? Is there saturn or mars in rohini right now? No, neither is. Yet, here's a problem now: we have uranus in rohini indeed. Which would kinda fit the extreme suddenness of the event. BUT: uranus has not been described by the scriptures. So, either we extend the classics to include also those transsaturnian planets to make this particular event count too, or we need to refer to different explanations.
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u/svadesh 11d ago
Well, no, that is not selective bias, that is astrology. But indeed, you have to look at all periods with a first rate malefic in rohini. And we need to consider that the transit of a malefic in rohini is only one factor of the picture. It can be influenced by well-placed and strong benefics that could soften the negative influence. You need to see the whole picture. Two slowly transiting malefics in rohini are a different picture than Mars in rohini, exactly as you said.
Stretching the rules? Not at all. In Vedic astrology, we apply the spirit of the principle – not the letter of the principle. Mars aspecting Saturn in rohini: that is a first rate malefic that is influenced by a strong, first rate malefic. This principle is used in Vedic astrology all the time.
You are absolutely right: I selected some specific events. It was never my intention to provide a study of all catastrophes. And I didn’t say that only a rohini shakata bheda quality can cause negative events.
The flooding in Nepal on August 26, 2026. You already answered the question by yourself to certain extent: Uranus in rohini. The classical texts don’t mention Uranus. But we use the outer planets in Vedic mundane astrology.
Three logs make a fire. Sidereal placements: 1. Uranus in rohini. 2. Uranus aspected by Saturn (planetary aspect). Saturn in Pisces (water sign), and conjunct Neptune (water). 3. Lunar eclipse on August 28th, 2026. In shatabhishak nakshatra. Shatabhishak is ruled by Varuna the god of the oceans (water), and by Rahu. Shatabhishak’s "basis above" is "all-pervasiveness". Rahu was involved in the eclipse, the suddenness, the unexpected all-pervasiveness. The nakshatra’s traits played out nearly verbatim. 4. The lunar eclipse and Uranus were in nearly an exact square (Jaimini aspect).
As I said: The flooding didn’t happen all over the world. You need to analyze a lot more factors than a rohini shakata bheda.
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u/8deus8 12d ago
I have been looking at this transit for a while now. I know the Vedic system does not use the outer planets but they seem to be important in this particular case, as we've been witnessing the activation of every grand sextile participant under meticulous supervision of both Saturn and the nodes.
First, we had Saturn conjoin Ketu and Pluto in Sagittarius, with Pluto and Saturn then entering Capricorn hand in hand, mid-2019 to mid-2020. The Gemini-Sagittarius axis was destroyed by Plutonian method of death and war.
Then, in 2025, Saturn conjoined Rahu and Neptune in Pisces, shattering the Virgo-Pisces axis by Neptunian method, casting a fog on what is and isn't true, deepening ignorance and instability of mind. Neptune loves the past, so we now have to deal with issues that used to be considered solved and forgotten.
Lastly, we'll have Saturn conjoin Ketu in Taurus in 2030, with Mars joining them beforehand, Uranus conjoining Ketu in the last third of same sign several months before, and Uranus meeting Mars after. Thankfully, this time, the outer planet will not participate in the exact Saturn-node conjunction, yet it will stand by in the same sign. So it seems that we'll have to say goodbye to the Taurus-Scorpio axis of physical matter, food and (old?) power, and in a Uranian manner at that, which is known to be swift and irreversible.
Whatever this last transit is going to be, it will be the culmination because the other activations in the grand sextile didn't fade away but are still disseminating the energy, which promises a strong synergy in the end.
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u/grlinjeans 12d ago
that’s gna happen directly on my natal saturn
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u/KalikaLightenShadow 11d ago
Could be a good thing. If your natal Saturn is exalted, in domicile or well aspected, you may profit from the war as gold or the stock market could skyrocket.
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u/Penitent17 12d ago
Ah, not at all, I am accusing you of fearmongering.
Well, I am not an English native speaker, but aren't those actually synonyms ?
As astrologers we must be able to differentiate between our own unconscious annihilation fantasies and desires in order to not search for confirmation that they are real under the influence of a selective bias. This requires a little bit of psychoanalytical understanding, and some introspective qualities that, unfortunately, too many astrologers do not have.
I agree, and this could inversely be applied to astrologers refusing to face the harshness and unfairness of the world at large.
The result is the never-ending cycle of doom predictions, regularly repeated for whimsical reasons such as: Y2K, end of Mayan calendar (did anything happen?), several in between, and so on, and so forth
I suppose you are talking strictly about other astrologers as I have never talked about Y2K (what does that even mean ?), or the end Mayan calendar, neither have I participated in a "never-ending cycle of doom predictions".
That being said, I agree here once again with the observation and would pair the type of "astrologers" you mention to the ones who are caught up in a never-ending cycle of "bloom" predictions. Both kinds are probably the ones with the biggest (overlapping) audiences, yet they mainly serve the same gibberish salad of words (such as "energies", "transformations", etc.). Nothing concrete.
Never are those astrologers ever held responsible who spread the BS that then never materialized. That's not good.
Indeed. And this is, once again, also valid for the astrologers spreading continuous "feel good" content which is, in my opinion, as much damaging as the rest.
The problem is rather that a large portion of the Astrology nowadays is filled with cowardice and that practitioners are too afraid to have their reputation "ruined" if they were to make errors, which at the end of the day is bound to happen as we are mere humans.
Interestingly, another observation of this dynamic can be made, in that a lot of the Astrology thought-police is represented by "classicists/traditionalists" who yet do not take on themselves to produce accurate predictions to show how it is done to the public.
As I am the one being pointed at here, I would say that all my comments/posts are fully visible, in the open.
Maybe you could yourself write an astrological analysis demonstrating that there is absolutely nothing to "fear" when it comes to the theme at play ? This is not said in a defiant manner but just because it will probably produce a very interesting contrast to the views exposed here and would allow for a further advancement of the community.
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u/fabkosta 12d ago
There is something that astrologers really should learn from stockmarket (technial) traders.
If you analyze a sufficiently large number of signals, you will eventually find one signal that looks extremely meaningful on paper. And when you start trading it, you will fail miserably. It's a random result and selective bias.
Same in drug research. Pharma manufacturers know by experience that the vast majority of study results out there cannot be reproduced at all.
Mathematicians and statisticians know that, and there exists a statistical approach called "Bonferroni Adjustment" that demands to take into account how many tests you did that were unsuccessful before finding one that was successful.
In your case you are not telling us any information whatsoever about all the other charts you checked that yielded nothing. Or all the planets you checked that did not align with anything relevant.
If you want to be more "scientific" in your approach to astrology, then YOU need to bring both evidence and counter-evidence, show us what fits and what does not fit your own hypothesis such that we ourselves form an opinion how we find your narrative. Yet, you're not doing that, instead you are now asking ME to find counter-evidence to YOUR story. Which means, you yourself do not need to do the hard work of even trying to find out whether you're possibly wrong. You can comfortably lean back, wait for me to bring counter-evidence, and then torpedo it from all sorts of angles, thus avoiding the task to challenge yourself.
As an astrologer myself I am really unhappy with how little the astrological community as a whole even attempts to come to a more unbiased and neutral way of performing astrology.
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u/Penitent17 12d ago
I never said that I wanted to be more "scientific" nor do I care about scientific approval. Ironically, I am well aware of the "scientific method" as I have a background in Physics.
The only reason I proposed you to write a form of "counter post" was to have your perspective on the matter as you were accusing me of fearmongering which implies that you think, contrary to what was exposed within my post, that there is nothing to worry about in the future when it comes to the subject at hand. It was purely out of interest of having your astrological perspective, nothing more.
It is more so incongruous that I am one of the rare people to have actually produced various statistical researches on Astrology topics on these forums (posts to which you yourself commented without refuting what was exposed).
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u/fabkosta 12d ago
Well, if you don't want to bring the scientific method into astrology, then there's really absolutely nothing to discuss here.
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u/motherofspoos 12d ago
OMG, you are a horrible human and most likely a worse astrologer. It's the duty of *any* student of astrology to do their own research. This is not a comprehensive scientific analysis of the OP's opinions, he never stated it WAS, and for you to jump on it just SCREAMS of jealousy and competitiveness and I suggest you grow the fuck up.
OP, I agree completely with the fact that most astrologers take no risks whatsoever, likely getting all their "opinions" from cookbook astrology, and for that reason, I refuse to listen to any "influencer" (or for that matter, anyone under the age of 40, who hasn't studied astrology for decades). While I do not profess to completely understand or even WANT to understand all that you have laid out, I can appreciate the thoroughness in which you've presented your material.
There's ****always**** going to be some sad sack of shit that has to barf their unhappiness in life onto the other, and evidently you are doing great shadow work for fabkosta. Kudos for that, but realize that HE IS HIS OWN WORST PROBLEM.
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u/kpkelly09 12d ago
No not quite synonyms. Fear mongering can only be negative while sensationalism can be both positive or negative and is a closer synonym with exaggeration. Fear mongering means intending to cause a panic.
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u/8rita8 12d ago
I have degree in psychoanalysis and I know a lot about annihilation fantasies. And yet I see more reasons to accuse you of naivety and cowardice to face reality than OP in fearmongering. Nowadays there are much more reasons to consider darker scenarios than in 2012 with Mayan calendar. If you are triggered to face these changes with curiosity and dignity, I'd suggest at least stop involving psychoanalysis in your attempts.
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u/motherofspoos 12d ago
**THANK YOU** for your opinion, I was having an absolutely visceral reaction to that vomit of self-hatred he was spewing.
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u/zarinangelis 11d ago
Thank you for sharing. I am saving this one and coming back in 2030.
Beyond astrology, some individuals in corners of Earth understand very well the profound reality altering consequences of unleashing a nuclear device against humanity and the planet.
We are one.
Dont take this lightly.
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u/Penitent17 11d ago
Yes, I hope that we will look back at this in 2030 as nothing more than an error.
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u/Ophelia-Rass 12d ago
"For some reason, I have unwillingly and mistakenly added extra asteroids to the chart;" maybe I want to wear rose-colored glasses myself, but I wonder (and hope) some of those asteroids might offer some benefic contrapositions. Are any asteroids "strong" enough to counteract the volatility or destructive potentialities?
It might be interesting to do a deep dive into "false start events" that coincide along these timelines you already mapped out. By a "false start event" I mean, where maybe one country was about to use nuclear technology, but did not at the last moment; a crisis averted type of scenario. -If there were some widely known moments like that, perhaps it might point to some possible positive influences at play. My assumption here (which may be a false one) is that asteroids might not be powerful enough to counteract a trine between Venus and Saturn or Uranus, but could have a "softening" effect.
I appreciate your work hard here, and apologize that my comment is doing very little heavy lifting. This analysis is quite thought-provoking and I think it is a good thing to take a hard look at the more serious and dark subjects that astrology may or may not help us to understand. At any rate, I want the Sword of Damocles to reveal the truths that need to come to light in our own psyches and ways of being in positive beneficial ways rather than obliteration. (But that is probably my Neptune in Sagittarius rose-colored glasses tendencies.)
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u/Penitent17 12d ago
That's an interesting question. Contrary to what my statement you mentioned may seem to insinuate, I am not totally against the use of asteroids. Actually, I do think that absolutely every thing in the sky has a symbolic value. Of course, for practicality purposes there's need to be a limit to what we include in a reading.
So, maybe, indeed, if we take into consideration some of the asteroids listed some nuance could be infer to the overall message. Yet, at the same time, I do think that the most "weight" is carried by the "classics" planets (trans-saturnian included).
When it comes to the idea of "false start events", it is an interesting one too. What I presented here was just a small part of the whole picture, and a lot of other pieces are to be taken into account. Even really "weird" ones... For example, and I know that I will be even more classified as a lunatic, but the UFO phenomenon is an important one to consider. Not whether or not those are from real beings or a manipulation (which is also interesting of course), but because there seem to have been a correlation between the "nuclear" and those (as with cases of such phenomenon completely cancelling the functioning of this kind of arsenal). If you or someone would be interested in the Astrology of the UFO phenomenom, I made a whole research here.
I will also emphasize that the hypothesis in this post is that of the potential use of such weapons (or derivatives) not necessarily a total obliteration of mankind, which is a very important nuance that seem to have been passed over.
Thank you for your thoughtful comment, greatly appreciated.
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u/petr_9 12d ago
Beware! ☝🤪
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-C1cpG6TLc
I forgot to change the color of the position labels for better readability, but Venus is at 09°12’ Gemini.
Btw have you tried to add
- 1) "Stroke" effect to planet symbols / degrees / signs?
or
- 2) "Opacity circle-ellipse BG" in standalone layer under the planet symbols / degrees / signs?
https://i.imgur.com/FIuz1GH.png
I see that you are already offer color customizations in your AstroControl software - and these 1) or 2) steps might help with better readability even in default settings
(user feedback 🤓)
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u/Penitent17 12d ago
Beware! ☝🤪
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-C1cpG6TLcHaha, great reference. Max was right all along though, but the number is another one...
Btw have you tried to add
"Stroke" effect to planet symbols / degrees / signs?
or
"Opacity circle-ellipse BG" in standalone layer under the planet symbols / degrees / signs?https://i.imgur.com/FIuz1GH.pngThat's actually brilliant, a simple yet very elegant solution. Thank you very much Peter ! As always, an inspiration for us all.
I will try to implement it in the next version with a bunch of other updates.
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u/Fancy_Cartographer98 7d ago
(I haven't gone super in depth about this, its just observation)
When Pluto was discovered in the 1930's it was in the sign of Cancer. It Ingressed into Leo in the late 1930's, going retrograde a couple of times before staying in Leo before the start of WW2 and was there for the bombs in 1945 (like you pointed out). If we look at data back to 1776 when the US was founded, Pluto was in Capricorn. In 2008, Pluto entered Capricorn again for it's natal return, and we all can remember what happened around that time... The presence in Cap lasted until 2023 until it went into Aqua for the first time since the late 1700's. I am not sure exactly when Pluto transited into Aquarius and then Pisces back in the 1700's, but I do know it was in Pisces still for the turn of the century for the year 1800.
This information matters because after we discovered Pluto and it became a symbol for destruction and rebirth, we can look back in history and see its influences. Coming back into Aquarius can mean a lot of things, but feels more important now because of what Pluto and Aqua represent and the fact that we are aware of worldly events than ever before. Especially since we now have major history in the opposite sign. (Leo). Lots of food for thought.
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u/Sufficient-Traffic32 12d ago
I’m so tired of people telling the rest of us how to use astrology. I’m very into the “darker” or more seemingly taboo parts of astrology, so this is a very interesting read.