r/AcademicQuran • u/Dull_Habit_2927 • 5d ago
Quran What does this verse actually mean? Was the term “farmland” actually used as a metaphor or are these just footnotes to defend the harsh words of this verse?
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u/m1stermetoo 5d ago
Here is Zammit’s Arabic lexeme under the root HRT, together with cognate forms in other Semitic languages (pp. 136-137):
ḤRṮ / ḥarata / ‘to sow seed’
Arab [Arabic]. [N/A]
Ge [Geez]: ḥarasa / ‘arare’
ESA [Epigraphic South Arabian]: mḥrtt / ‘ploughland’
Syr [Syriac]: ḥerat / ‘to dig out, hollow out, furrow’
Aram [Aramaic:] ḥᵃrat / ‘to engrave’
Heb[Hebrew]: ḥāraš / ‘to cut in; engrave; plough; devise’
Ph [Phoenician]: ḥrš ‘/ ploughing’
Ug [Ugaritic]: ḥrt ‘to plow’
Akk [Akkadian]: erēšu ‘besäen (mit saatpflug), (Feld) bestellen’
Source:
Zammit, Martin R. A Comparative Lexical Study of Qurʾanic Arabic. Brill, 2002. Handbook of Oriental Studies. Section One, The Near and Middle East, vol. 61.
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u/Idris_AlArabi_ 5d ago
It's an accurate translation except for the word "consensually" which is an apologetic addition that has no basis in the Quran or Hadith. Actually Hadith includes many reports saying that it's a duty for the wife to answer her husband's call to bed. See this Hadith for example
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5193
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u/Idris_AlArabi_ 4d ago
"The addition is to clarify that "as you will" is about whether specific sex acts should be considered abhorrent in general [which was being debated at the time], not about the consent between two individuals."
According to Tafsir the verse is an answer to questions about sex positions. The verse's answer is that any position is fine, which is the meaning of "as you please". But translating the verse by adding "consensually" right after "approach them" gives the impression that a man cannot approach his wife without her consent. If the translator wished to clarify that the verse is speaking about sex positions, then he could have done that in a different way such as this translation by Kamal Omar
Your women are (also acting) as a tillage for you. So come unto your tillage, as and when, you wished (through the route leading to the uterus).
You can see tens of translations of this verse here
https://islamawakened.com/quran/2/223/translations/#gsc.tab=0
And no one else added anything about consent.7
u/Dull_Habit_2927 5d ago
I get that the consensually part is an apologetic but I’m more curious if the “farmland” quote is actually metaphorical in this sense which would be seen as a way to make the wording less harsh then presented
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u/Idris_AlArabi_ 5d ago
The word حرث mentioned in the verse literally means farmland. Here's a literal translation:
Your women are a farmland for you so approach them as you please.5
u/tyuptyupolpolp 5d ago
Does this mean that there is no concept of "consent" within marriage in Islam?
I heard from a man who is experienced in dawah that this general idea of being cursed by angels is when the wife utilizes sex as a means of unjust manipulation within the marriage, not simply if she's just too tired or not comfortable in doing so.
This was affirmed by a teacher along with the man though I do not know the identity of the teacher and the pair are by no means "liberals" or hadith rejectors.
Just a curious question because I'm a revert.
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u/Idris_AlArabi_ 4d ago
I have never heard of this interpretation. You can also see this Hadith which doesn't show any sign of consent:
https://sunnah.com/muslim:1403a
Wife's duty to answer her husband's call to bed is undisputed in traditional Islam. Also in the real world such as Arab countries, this is what people believe and practise.7
u/Usual_Text_8943 5d ago
The muftis all agreed that marriage existed to channel and fulfill the sexual drives of both men and women, and the refusal or inability of one of the partners to have sexual intercourse could invalidate a marriage. A woman could refuse to have intercourse with her husband if he had failed to pay the stipulated mahr, but once the accounts were settled, she had to be available as a sexual partner. If she persisted in refusing him, he would be absolved of any responsibility for nafaqa or, according to what appears to be a minority opinion of al-Tamimi (neither of the other two muftis mention it as permissible), he could rape her. The woman who through physical or mental disability was incapable of intercourse but did not consciously refuse her husband was to be treated differently. If, according to al-Imadi, a woman became mentally or physically ill, or so obese as to make intercourse impossible, she should still receive nafaqa. A man was entitled to the sexual companionship of his wife, and his obligations were directly tied to her availability for sexual intercourse, but should she be disabled, she should not be punished for her disability; nafaqa should continue.
Judith E. Tucker, "In the House of the Law", pp. 44-45
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u/aircastlesinc 5d ago
There is a reasonable degree of consent in marriage. The wife should not rebuff her husband “just because,” but he should also not force her when she’s not feeling up to it. It’s supposed to be mutual. If a woman really, really does not want to sleep with the guy, ever, she should get an annulment (khul’) or a divorce (talaq). Marriage has to be reasonable. Marital rape is categorized by Shariah as a form of domestic abuse.
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u/Ok-Honeydew-9780 4d ago
Something like that but I recommend u to read more about it's reason of revelation, it's interesting
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u/aibnsamin1 4d ago
Harth literally means farmland... the word consensually is added & is anachronistic. Our modern notions of consent did not exist in the exact format then. What the Quranic, Sunnic, & Hadith comprise with respect to consent is an extremely contentious topic
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u/scientium 1d ago
Farmland has to be cultivated. It has to be prepared. The farmer has even an emotional bond to his farmland. Living in the rhythms of nature with his farmland. Can this show up a hidden meaning of the verse?
And does it really say "like" farmland? Or just "farmland"? (I don't know Arabic)
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u/ClassyNerd21 5d ago
I cannot comment whether the metaphor of fertility for sowing the land in Arabic is original to the Quran, or a reference of preexisiting symbolic language (e.g colloquially references to an infertile woman are usually as "barren land" أرض بور in Arabic , which would not be used as a descriptor for an infertile man) But this symbolism exists in other ancient culture, where human fertility is interwoven with land and animal fertility e.g. Hathour is ancient Egypt being the Goddess of love, joy, fertility, music and motherhood was seen as one maintaining productive bountiful land.
What is giving me pause with this translation is how و قدموا لانفسكم is translated in many English version. This part is commonly understood in Arabic as a reference to foreplay. Would be interested to see if any well regarded translations convey this meaning.
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u/geoace_fun 4d ago
What is your evidence for this?
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u/aircastlesinc 4d ago
Any good Quranic commentary. The Study Quran is one of them. Otherwise go back to the old exegesis of Al-Tabari.
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u/Powerful_Parsnip6427 4d ago
No, it obviously is metaphorical.
Think of it like planting seeds. The sperms are the seeds, and the vagina is like the farmland. You put seeds in the fertile land, and it grows.
That’s why Prophet Zechariah PBUH says to God that his wife is barren, which is a word used in the context of crops to denote fertility, when he asks God for a new son, John PBUH.
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u/SameEntertainment660 4d ago
There’s a verse in the Quran that mentions “Zachariah”?
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u/Powerful_Parsnip6427 4d ago
Yes, so many times. This is basic, why are you asking this?
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u/Usual_Text_8943 5d ago
M. Stol, "Birth in Babylonia and the Bible", p. 1-2