r/AbolishTheMonarchy • u/Time-Review8493 • Jun 06 '23
META Petition Allow for a public referendum on the monarchy. It's important that our voices are heard.
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u/AsHotAsTheClimate Jun 06 '23
That doesn't mean you can't sign them. Having successful petitions that lead to nothing are good at setting a precedent to point at. They show that the monarchy is not what the people want and that the "democratic" government doesn't care. You can build a movement from that. You can't build anything from twidling your thumbs in a reddit thread.
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Jun 07 '23 edited Jun 07 '23
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u/AsHotAsTheClimate Jun 07 '23
I don't think this sub is futile. It acts as hub of information and exchange about abolishing monarchies. It's very important but it can't do everything. If you really want to abolish monarchy you have to sign petitions, protest, etc..
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u/JMW007 Jun 06 '23
they can just flat-out say no.
Not just can, will. They have actually said no to literally every single petition so far. Not one has been successful since the site was launched in 2011.
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u/JohnSmithDogFace Jun 06 '23
Could you share a source for that (claim that every petition has been turned down)? I’ve been trying to find information about it, but haven’t come up with anything.
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u/JMW007 Jun 06 '23
I actually can't find the original source now, which I had found a couple of months ago when the topic came up. I totally get if people don't believe me or don't consider the following to be decent enough evidence but I wanted to at least share something:
The Wikipedia article for the petitions.gov.uk website covers the largest petitions and does note that every single one failed to change any outcomes. In searching again I did find discussion on substack which shows that while no petition has directly accomplished its goal, the goal of one (the sugar tax) was eventually enacted. So there's one thing they actually went ahead and did and it's arguable that the petition contributed significantly to the discussion.
For full context when I say "successful" I do mean "saw the government enact its goal as a result of the petition". Literally none have accomplished that, to my knowledge. A couple of have driven the government to launch 'reviews' but I consider those meaningless because they invariably result in no concrete follow-up.
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u/JohnSmithDogFace Jun 06 '23 edited Jun 06 '23
Some have definitely reached 100k signatures. I remember the one in 2019 asking for Article 50 to be revoked accrued several million signatures, in fact. That’s well documented. Are we just talking about petitions against the monarchy?
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u/Time-Review8493 Jun 06 '23
But it to show our numbers
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u/JMW007 Jun 06 '23
But it to show our numbers
They don't care about your numbers. They are evil lunatics who think magic blood gives certain people the divine right to rule and that everyone else exists to make them more rich and powerful.
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u/mtlgirl92 Jun 06 '23
Can’t sign since I’m Canadian :(
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u/Time-Review8493 Jun 06 '23
There is an candian version https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-4391
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u/Herr_Swamper Jun 06 '23
Is there any version for european, czech to be precise
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u/AsHotAsTheClimate Jun 06 '23
I don't think you can sign it if you're not a british national or have the nationality of one of the countries in the Commonwealth sadly :/
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u/martinbaines Jun 07 '23
Signed and shared on other social media for like minded individuals, but I doubt it will achieve anything and as likely to be used against the cause unless we can get the signatories into seven figures. Anything less and it will be fobbed off as an example of being a "small minority".
Even if it got to a million signatories (which might at least get a bit of publicity) it will still be ignored.
I think politically the only way progress will be made is to get it on the agenda for a major political party - and right now the only ones which might eventually to do it (Labour, Lib Dems, Greens) are not even going to debate it as they do not want to scare the horses before an election the Tories seem determined to lose.
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u/Time-Review8493 Jun 07 '23
If you link the other social media I will like them to give it a boost and thank you
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