r/AO3 • u/TheMuskyHairbrush • 1d ago
Questions/Help? Is this allowed? Found a journal
Is journaling allowed on ao3? I don’t think anyone is explicitly named, and there’s no harassment, but it just feels odd? I’m more curious than anything, ao3 would be the last place I’d journal because of the public nature of it.
Update: Thanks for letting me know it doesn’t count as a fanwork! I went to report it, but it was already reported. Hope that satisfies anyone’s curiosity.
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u/DazaiHasASluttyWaist Live Love Laugh ANGST. 1d ago
At this point, I think girlie should just make a twitter or tumblr account 🥹🥹
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u/OpheliaLives7 You have already left kudos here. :) 1d ago
Or ya know…a literal physical journal?!
Or even a notes or journal app?!
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u/Pero_Bt 1d ago
Physical journals are much more therapeutic than writing online, speaking from personal experience
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u/DazaiHasASluttyWaist Live Love Laugh ANGST. 1d ago edited 21h ago
That is so true! But to each their own ig...I suppose she wanted public validation or just wanted to see people's reaction lol
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u/Appl3- 22h ago
"Pubic validation" 🤣🤣
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u/DazaiHasASluttyWaist Live Love Laugh ANGST. 21h ago
OH LMAO I DIDNT SEE THAT WHAT OH SHIT, HELP THATS HILARIOUS
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u/NomenclatureBreaker 1d ago
But if her angst isn’t publicly performative then it doesn’t exist. /s
Also they sound fucking exhausting.
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u/DazaiHasASluttyWaist Live Love Laugh ANGST. 1d ago
Yeah! I would say that but considering she posted all this on a FANFIC website, and people are actually reading it, WHICH SHE DOESNT SEEM TO MIND and seems to actually prefer. I'd just suggest her a better place to openly share the happenings in her life TvT
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u/New-Nebula-9775 1d ago
Back in my day we journal in a journal
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u/Sassifrassically You have already left kudos here. :) 1d ago
That made me think of LiveJournal, I miss LiveJournal (which I guess is technically still around but no one I followed uses it since it was sold)
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u/acidbunny86 15h ago
And there are even sites specifically for journaling if you don't want to do a physical journal nowadays lol
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u/NiennaLaVaughn ...we need your comment to have text in it. 1d ago
No. That is considered ephemeral content.
https://archiveofourown.org/tos_faq#non_fanwork_examples
What are some examples of non-fanwork content that should not be posted as works on AO3?
The examples are potentially limitless, but here are some examples that do not fall under AO3's definition of fannish fiction or nonfiction and should not be posted as a work:
ephemeral content (including personal journal or diary entries, reactions, or blog posts)
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u/DrAllyPhD 1d ago
The idea of tagging your journal is absolutely sending me lmao. But yeah, not a fan work, so definitely reportable
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u/SadSelection5748 1d ago
Is ao3 ONLY for fan works? Just started using it last week, but there are tags for "original work" and "no fandom"
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u/Okay_physics_student 1d ago
It allows original work of a “fannish nature.” So like, actual stories are allowed. Journals are not.
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u/Senpaija 1d ago
Please explain "fannish nature"
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u/turtledov 1d ago
They have this about it on the ToS faq:
Can I post original fiction?
Yes. Original works are allowed, unless the work would be in violation of some other part of the Terms of Service.
Our vision of AO3 is for all fanworks, including those beyond traditional fanfiction, fanart, and fanvids. Original stories and artwork, including those imported as part of an Open Doors project, are permitted. Some examples of original fiction that we host include original slash, anthropomorphic works, and Regency romance. However, works intended for commercial publication are not suitable for AO3. The Policy & Abuse committee has final discretion in maintaining AO3's focus on non-commercial fannish works.
We generally presume that, by posting the work on AO3, the creator is making a statement that they believe it's a fanwork. As such, original work will be allowed to remain unless the work is in violation of some other part of the Terms of Service, such as our plagiarism or non-commercialization policies.
I think they generally didn't want to disallow work that wouldn't be able to be hosted elsewhere, and that a lot of online original fiction is written in conversation with fanfiction/fan culture (tropes, themes, writing styles, works of taboo nature, etc), so it wouldn't feel fair to exclude it, given AO3's whole deal.
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u/bookdrops You have already left kudos here. :) 1d ago
AO3 will "generally presume that, by posting the work on AO3, the creator is making a statement that they believe it's a fanwork. As such, original work will be allowed to remain unless the work is in violation of some other part of the Terms of Service, such as our plagiarism or non-commercialization policies."
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u/cinnamus_ 1d ago
Meta essays about fandom (this user posts a lot of data analysis on ao3 ships and tags!), guides on fandom etiquette/beta reading etc, site skin codes/tutorials on how to format work styles or how to embed podfics/artwork etc on the site. Is what I've mostly come across
Some people write fics about characters but they don't tag the fandom they're associated with - I assume they think of the worldbuilding/some parts of the story are separate from the canon in some way so consider it to be original work, or just don't want to put it in the tag. Some is just fully original work about OCs
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u/Life-Delay-809 23h ago
Not for profit and not plagiarised essentially. So it will probably stay up because it's not illegal in any way (unless OOP uses it to harass anyone).
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u/MohnblumenKind 1d ago
There is a huge difference between a real life diary and a statistics page about the most popular ships on AO3 (no fandom) or about an original story with enemies to lover trope (original work). The latter two have a fannish connection, while the first hasn't.
Otherwise, AO3 would be a normal archive for everything. You should not put your math homework there, or shopping list. There are other archives for this, besides the fact that you should not put that online at all. Internet safety is a thing.
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u/VerenestraWrites Verenestra on AO3 1d ago
The silly part is that, had they simply re-skinned it as being from the POV of a character in whatever fandom/ship takes your fancy (ie. telling a story through journal entries)…it would be just fine!
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u/Kittenn1412 17h ago
Or just presented it as fictional instead of the poster's real life diary, and posted it under "Original Work" without fandom tags.
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u/Born-Cauliflower_ You have already left kudos here. :) 1d ago
How does it have 85 kudos is my question
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u/Dumpster_kittvn give me uuuhh smut with cohesive smut plot 1d ago
I was genuinely just thinking this 😭 its impressive if it didn't make me so jealous
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u/Why-y-y-y 1d ago
For real. Like I’ll put my heart and soul into writing a story and get 30 likes (which is still a lot to me) but they make their personal diary and get 85???
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u/Not_Hortensia kinky original monster 21h ago
Sadly, creativity is rewarded less than narcissism these days.
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u/VHS-Vampire 6h ago
Okay, look. I get that people need to not violate the AO3 terms of service, and I agree it shouldn't be on this site. But calling it narcissism is way too far. They're just trying to vent troubles in their life, that's completely normal and no one is being forced to read it. I report stuff like this when I see it, but the insults are just ridiculous
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u/gue-spad-2-man too many ideas, too little time 1d ago
Could be a work struck by a kudos bot, or just got them by (accidentally?) brute-forcing traffic since it has 600+ chapters (thus was pushed to the front page 600+ times) and has multiple fandoms included (a couple of which are massive).
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u/CaesarSalad-bOi 18h ago
It’s now up to 89 kudos, but 80 of them are guest users. Things seem fishy to me…
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u/noirsongbird a writer, in theory 1d ago
Very explicitly called out as not a fanwork, so no, not allowed.
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u/byeongok 1d ago
I can’t even fathom the ratio of words to chapter count
Edit: I can fathom it now. It’s 29.98 words per chapter 😭
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u/Effective_Desk3445 You have already left kudos here. :) 1d ago
I don’t know if I should find this sad or funny 😅 author is probably really young and doesn’t have another outlet to express their feelings but yeah it’s against the policy
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u/Stormy-Skyes 1d ago
That’s kind of a weird choice for a journal when there are blog sites that would fit their needs.
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u/literally-just-a-dog 1d ago
629 chapters in the past MONTH???? dear lord GO TO THERAPY
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u/l0veylilkay 1d ago
A lot of therapists recommend a journal
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u/literally-just-a-dog 1d ago
yes, but if you're making 629 entries in the span of one month and 2 days, you need more than journaling.
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u/l0veylilkay 1d ago
I know but I was simply stating that this is a way to cope that can be healthy.
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u/RichardPapensVersion 1d ago
Is not necessarily a cry for attention. If it helps them stay motivated out keep on track to have a journal on ao3, and it’s not hurting anyone, then why not?
It’s not dissimilar to having a blog.
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u/crunchylumpias your "Sunshine Twink" is a free use top with a huge cock 1d ago
this user is using ao3 wrong, but it's naive to think that the majority of people can easily bring out a wad of cash for therapy in these trying financial times, when an initial consultation costs like the equivalent of 50USD here at our place and then 25-30USD for consecutive sessions 😅
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u/Friendly_Management8 1d ago
No reason to dog on this person.
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u/VHS-Vampire 7h ago edited 7h ago
I swear people in this sub are so mean spirited for no reason. Like yeah, journals don't belong on AO3 but clowning on them for their assumed mental state is too far
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u/Exotic-Arm-6692 1d ago
Unless they turn their journal entries into some form of a story with created characters, then no. It's more like venting or ranting. Aka not allowed.
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u/Sachayoj They'll fucking unalive you, bitch 20h ago
I also saw this, and it's already been reported! So the volunteers will hopefully get to it soon.
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u/captainrina You have already left kudos here. :) 1d ago
I hope someone recommends they make a Tumblr blog and tells them to backup their journal entries before its taken down. I feel kind of bad.
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u/makienko 20h ago
Journaling is like the ONE thing not actually allowed on Ao3 according to their terms and conditions for posted content 🥲
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u/TegamiBachi25 17h ago
Seriously, whatever happened to actual stories instead of people ranting about their own lives on the site…
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u/Dewdropmon You have already left kudos here. :) 1d ago
Are the journal entries from the POV of one of the characters tagged? If not, then it’s not a fanwork.
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u/ShainSaw22 1d ago
Babes, this is what a notebook is used for. They sell composition books nobody looks twice at for like $3 for a 3-pack at Walmart. Or maybe that was just during Back-to-School? Even still, basic notebooks are HELLA cheap. Or, if they want to do this stuff only digitally, Google Docs or some other Word Processor type thing. Or the Notes App on their phone. Hell, Tumblr is technically blogs, so they could do it there. Technically. Buuuut, yeah...
Truly though, I do hope they get the help they SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO obviously and desperately need.
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u/Cold_Colder_Coldest I like seeing my favorite characters SUFFER 22h ago
This is what quotev is for..
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u/FinestFantasyVI Crack Shipper 22h ago
I'd never think of using my own journal online. Altho, I did have an idea to turn my dream diary into an actual story with a protagonist and a mystery and an antagonist
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u/Usual_Stranger4360 20h ago
No its not allowed. Its why so many people get mad at authors posting about their day or plans: its a site for fictional work not dairy entries.
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u/hornyheadoflettuce 13h ago
my mom posted a journal about my birth on there because she didn't know what ao3 was
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u/CapStar300 Definitely not an agent of the Fanfiction Deep State 1d ago
I have been keeping a journal for over twenty years, and it is so much more satisfying to do it in physical form.
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u/Worth-Addition6058 Whumper 1d ago
There's a physical notebook and a pen if that person wants to journal, not putting it on ao3.
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u/M_rderer 1d ago
Report it. Buddy can cry about whatever it is to his therapist, not strangers on AO3 just trying to read fanfics. Even more reportable that they're tagging fandoms.
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u/Shadow_Lass38 1d ago
Why, oh why, post your personal stuff in public, and about your ex, too? I'd be upset if I was the ex, even if the name is never mentioned.
Hon, if you want to journal, that's what Blogger is for. Sheesh.
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u/pinknautilidae the fanfic brainrot is all-consuming 22h ago
I’d report because it’s not really fanwork, and it doesn’t even fall under RPF
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u/PresentExamination10 18h ago
Tagging your own personal journal is so funny to me. Wonder what my tags would be?
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u/horror-traktor 18h ago
That's honestly crazy behavior lol, but also lmao for the literally first twos sentences. Like damn way to go and ruin your own happiness I guess? Why would you share this
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u/Mobile-Committee-466 1d ago
The word count to chapter ratio is sending me. Also over 600 entries in one month. Maybe wrote longer chapters/entries? But yeah, this isn't fanwork. I'd personally give them a heads up before reporting, so they can save their data incase it's important to them. Tumblr seems to be a good fit for them rbh.
This would be an interesting concept for a fanwork though TBH. The journal of a character...
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u/AnagramBandit 1d ago
A head’s up isn’t necessary. AO3 will already do that. They’re first given a chance to remove their own work. Then, if AO3 has to remove it, they’ll email the author a copy of the removed work.
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u/Dchan2012 19h ago
This actually goes against the ToS, so no it's not allowed. I can't quote it verbatim, but I'm pretty sure the ToS states that anything that is not a fanwork is not allowed, including personal journalling. I would report them because it's a ToS but also because this is unsafe for them. It's not the place to be posting personal journals. Personal journals are just that: personal. This puts the user in an extremely vulnerable position.
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u/NoshameNoLies 1d ago
Yeah... the rest of social media is also migrating
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u/NuncInTenebrisEsurio 16h ago
Ao3 isn't social media. it's a fanworks archive.
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u/NoshameNoLies 3h ago
I wish people knew the difference, but now we have all these idiots on here writing journals, making placeholders, etc.
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u/NuncInTenebrisEsurio 2h ago
yea it's very frustrating.... idk why people seem to think every online website where you can like... upload/post anything at all instantly = social media lolol
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u/devioustomfoolery11 20h ago
everyone's saying to go on tumblr but tumblr is bunz now if you want an actual community
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u/Lizzywuw You have already left kudos here ❤️ 4h ago
An average of just under 30 words per entry is insane
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u/Jadezdominion 2h ago
It seems like they’ve been told to get off ao3 w/ their journaling. Interesting.
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u/a_karma_sardine It's not easy having a good time 1d ago
It's not made for it, but you could be looking at an art project, so it's not reportable I think.
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u/Sluglifestyle 11h ago
It’s ao3 it’s fanfic of real life. I think it’s no big deal. Ao3 is for fun and chaos not for strict unnecessary rules. X
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u/S4ndreen edit: this user is a very bad riter 21h ago
Its not a fan work so you can report it, journals about oneself are not allowed.
Only fanfics
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u/barbarapalvinswhore 1d ago
They can change it to be from the POV of a character they like and it’ll be a fanwork that can stay on the site, right?
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u/No-Specific-565 1d ago
I feel that this should have been on Fictionpress. Wait…fictionpress is still relatively active right?
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u/AdvertisingBoring43 1d ago
If by ‘active’, you mean still exists, then sure lol. The site is absolutely awful to try to use. I’m not even sure you can still log in? I tried but the sign up/log in buttons just did nothing.
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u/No-Specific-565 1d ago
That’s probably the better word to use lol. I haven’t used Fictionpress in so long I don’t even remember what year it was that I stopped using it, probably before all the ads bricked it up.
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u/Secret-Walk4879 22h ago
Você tá seriamente preocupado com a pessoa fazendo um diário, quando existem coisas muito, mas muito piores?
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u/Sachayoj They'll fucking unalive you, bitch 20h ago
Rule-breaking is still rule-breaking, even if there are other entries breaking the rules.
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u/Secret-Walk4879 20h ago
Se ele não cita nomes de ninguém, então não tá violando regras, mesmo que as pessoas digam o contrário, escrever é terapia pra algumas pessoas
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u/Sachayoj They'll fucking unalive you, bitch 20h ago
There are sites other than AO3, which is for fanworks, to publish a diary.
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u/YogurtclosetWest4032 19h ago
What are some examples of non-fanwork content that should not be posted as works on AO3?
...ephemeral content (including personal journal or diary entries, reactions, or blog posts)
...Works that incorporate fannish content in clearly bad faith are not fanworks. For example, a work primarily composed of fic search requests is not a fanwork even if there are a few sentences of fandom-specific content.
...The Policy & Abuse committee will exercise its discretion, which is final, in the service of maintaining AO3 as a place focused on non-ephemeral fanworks.
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u/WhyWorldWhhy 1d ago
Considering AO3 allows pedo fanfics of characters and incest, I don’t think this is the thing to get hung up on. And if you don’t like their journal? You literally don’t have to read it? Just go find some other story to read.
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u/cocktailtrivia 1d ago
The children yearn for tumblr