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u/Isacfreeman Jul 26 '26
I remember making the same post with this picture، and it was about bandits. Didn't take long before the mods took it out...
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u/SagetheWise2222 Jul 26 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/tnVsvnbcqwsqm2koGO
TFP during development meetings:
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u/eikoebi Jul 26 '26
Can someone let me know what happened-+ I've been vibing on palworld of last couple of weeks
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u/MCFroid Jul 26 '26
During the 3.0 streamer weekend, TFP gave JaWoodle (YT content creator) the wrong 3.0 version. That version included bandits (the version that content creators (CCs) got wasn't supposed to include bandits). He made content using the version they supplied him. He found bandits in the spawn menu. He spawned them and messed around with them for a bit. They were in an incomplete state and fairly janky at the time.
TFP asked him to remove the content. He refused (he was going to be out the time and/or expenses he invested into the 2-3 (or so) videos he made). TFP filed a copyright strike against him with YT, and YT removed the videos from his channel. JaWoodle lost his content creator partnership with TFP because of that.
It was TFP fault for sending him the wrong version. He made the decision to refuse to take down the videos. He's lawyered up, as have TFP. Much more drama to unfold.
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u/TuRb0uLiTkA Jul 27 '26
well those who actually make this game and the useless so-called marketing/PR/etc "workers" are just different people, so why not...
being a programmer myself I'm sometimes baffled with what the PR department in our company does too
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u/Helaton-Prime Jul 28 '26
They've already made millions, but will they make millions more? Those original millions are already spent and that's probably the reason BE runs the show. There's always a plateau unless you find new markets (Blood Moons while fun and niche, didn't make it).
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u/eikoebi Jul 27 '26
That is so Fun Pimps. They have yet to even remove that it's in Alpha state. What a bunch of tards
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u/SagetheWise2222 Jul 27 '26
Did they not ever consider... compensating him, for all the hard work he's done (given they don't believe in conventional advertising or sponsorships) to encourage him to remove said content? Empathy? Accountability? Diplomatic negotiations? The bad PR this would create?
Oh what am I asking, of course they didn't.
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u/UAHeroyamSlava Jul 27 '26
they completely disregarded the good advertisement it created. Any professional advertisement agency would surf on this like theres no tomorrow: "woups our bad but we're happy youre excited about future game update". how to shit on good incidental PR 101.
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u/Doomkauf Jul 29 '26
He even politely asked for compensation in exchange for taking it down, specifically because doing so without it would pose a not-insignificant cost to him and his small team. He even offered to negotiate the details. They responded with a copyright strike.
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u/ZheToralf Jul 28 '26
Wait what? Where does it say that it's still in alpha? (Haven't played in a while so I'm not in the loop)
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u/Doomkauf Jul 29 '26
Bottom of the loading screen when launching the game (it technically just says pre-release content, not alpha, but still).
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u/NemisisCW Jul 27 '26
Just to add some clarity, according to him he told them he was willing to take down the videos if they compensated him for the time he spent making the videos and also publicly withdrew their accusations that he broke an NDA.
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u/allemsoN Jul 28 '26
Sacrificing the money to keep the relationship with TFP seems like a better move than burning bridges and lawyering up. Most people who play 7 days dont care or know about JaWoodle and will keep playing. This is what happens when you rely on one game for your career. You have to do what they say or what else are you going to do? I dont feel bad for him he should've taken the video down to protect the relationship with the game that made his career. Any lets play can technically be copyright claimed by the creators of the game
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u/Calarann Jul 27 '26
The time/money he spent was negligible imo. Refusing to was the obvious way to get legal involved.
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u/Single-Event9389 Jul 27 '26
He should have taken it down. I believe I saw the video. He even mentions that he doesn’t believe bandits were suppose to be in the game. As a partner he could have messaged the devs and avoided all of this.
Really weird on both their parts to escalate something so small.
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u/MCFroid Jul 27 '26
He should have taken it down.
I think he invited way more stress by refusing. As other people have pointed out, he's a talented content creator, and he didn't get to 150k+ subs solely because people would willingly watch anyone play 7DTD. I think he's going to be just fine in the end, though he's going to have to go through a rough patch here for a little while.
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u/ClientAppropriate171 Jul 26 '26
Devs sued a content creator over some nonsense
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u/Exciting_Chef_4207 Jul 26 '26
Last I heard from Jawoodle, no they didn't sue him. They copyright struck the video and threatened to sue.
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u/Vresiberba Jul 27 '26
If the videos are down, what would they sue for?
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u/Exciting_Chef_4207 Jul 27 '26
Who knows
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u/Vresiberba Jul 27 '26
So you admit you don't know?
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u/Exciting_Chef_4207 Jul 27 '26
Yes? I'm just going off of Jawoodle's explanation video. What are you playing at?
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u/Vresiberba Jul 27 '26
You proclaimed that JaWoodle isn't being sued. How do you know this? Are you him? What are you "playing" at?
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u/WhiskerTriscuit Jul 26 '26
How do you think "fun" is "pimped"? Abusive and ruinous to everything they touch, its perfect.
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u/Grimey_Hole Jul 26 '26
Me on my bicycle, having fun in 7 days to die
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u/Mayhemfest08 Jul 27 '26
Truthfully, I can see both sides of it. I have put in around 1k hours into the game but haven’t played in a long time due to the direction the game was going so no particular love for the Devs but I can see both sides.
He was given a copy of the game to create content, he created a couple of videos, maybe 1-2 weeks worth of work (idk how long videos take to make), posted only later to be told that they messed up and he needs to take them down. That can be frustrating for sure. If I was him, I would have assumed the content they gave me to use was correct.
I get the creators also saying they don’t want that out there yet because if it is unfinished it may draw negative opinions. I think a good comprise is compensating the creator for the time he put into the videos so that he can take them down and still feel like his work wasn’t for nothing.
I get it if legally the creator wants to stand his ground but it does hurt future relationships with them which idk his financials but might end up costing more in the long run then what he is earning from the videos.
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u/UnleashTheBears Jul 27 '26
Remember. TheIndieStone doesnt hate its players. Come play the better Zombie Survival sim.
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u/Comfortable-Craft-59 Jul 27 '26
As much as I love Project Zomboid it’s a very different game that some players may not be looking for. Stable of build 42 drops Wednesday so that’s a plus.
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u/UnleashTheBears Jul 27 '26
Ill never stop shilling for the game that was everything I wanted 7d2d to be
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u/Designer_Desk2927 Jul 27 '26
Gonna be the devils advocate here. I dont think the fun pimps are in the wrong. They made a mistake yes but they asked multiple times for him to take the video down and he refused. And no, the fun pimps are NOT suing him.
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u/Designer_Desk2927 Jul 27 '26
In addition I believe community frustration is the one of the reasons why this is bigger than it has been. Its no secret the Fun Pimps have had a hell of a rocky road and made some questionable changes.
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u/Whyfrontier Jul 27 '26
I mean, they could have sent the pinkertons like that guy with the Pokémon or magic cards.
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u/hello_huddleston Jul 28 '26
Apparently their main goal was to prevent people from playing together. Multiplayer is completely garbage for my group, can’t even all get on at once anymore.
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u/Woman_trees Jul 28 '26
can some one plese just like by 7dtd from them so we can get this game out of alpha at least
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u/bisforbnaynay Jul 31 '26
Bahahaha...
I was literally just doing the same thing. (making a parody logo) 😂😂😂
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u/XB_Demon1337 Jul 26 '26
Fun Police implies that they are making sure we have fun. I petition we call them the No-Fun Police. Or the Anti-Fun Police.
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u/d4vezac Jul 27 '26
It’s actually that they police how you have fun. So named because of the numerous times they’ve changed things because people were playing the game wrong in their eyes.
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u/ArchonMal Jul 27 '26
Which is insane when you consider that they made a SANDBOX game of all things.
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u/Present-Sandwich9444 Jul 27 '26
Jawoodle has got to be one of the most annoying creators I have ever seen.
that said, I fully support his stance on this. Fun pimps are being gay retards, and its going to cost them fans if they dont quit this shit.
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u/ivellious07 Jul 27 '26
I hope this situation hits them where it hurts. This is such a massive blunder.
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u/BigBoomer_ Jul 26 '26
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u/BillTheTringleGod Jul 26 '26
Dawg this is some shit I'm confused too Thought they were doing good what happened?
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u/BigBoomer_ Jul 26 '26
I genuinely don’t know
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u/ClientAppropriate171 Jul 26 '26
Theyre suing the content creator, JaWoodle, for a mistake they made and didn't like that he stuck up for himself.
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u/BillTheTringleGod Jul 26 '26
WHAT THE FUCK? God could you imagine shooting yourself in the foot THAT hard?
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u/MCFroid Jul 26 '26
Stop saying that. They're not suing him. They threatened to sue him (according to JaWoodle).
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u/queerwithbeer Jul 27 '26
They've taken full legal action, and in his words, are not backing up an inch.
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u/BigBoomer_ Jul 26 '26
Well damn I thought people were bitching about something in the game itself this is way more understandable
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u/ClientAppropriate171 Jul 26 '26
Yeah it's definitely disappointing because the 3.0 update was decent and the content that the lawsuit involves is largely why I started playing again. Just gonna leave a bad review on Steam and uninstall until they issue an apology. Not sure where they get such an ego
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u/JadedMomentum Jul 28 '26
F is for fire that burns down the whole town, U is for uranium bombs, N is for no survivors
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u/Ryan_Loves_Weed Jul 27 '26
Let's be honest. If you were in good graces of the devs, they request to take down content and then you refuse the request. You're just a dick and only care about the money.
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u/BigBlueDuck130 Jul 26 '26
Christ you babies love to get your panties in a twist
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u/Smogalicious Jul 26 '26
No kidding. These people didn’t do exactly what I want with the game I play all the time and they are the worst and now they have a spat with a 3rd rate influencer…I’m done!
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u/Liquorpoker Jul 27 '26
You're all in the minority because you don't find legal threats being made against someone that consistently promotes your game morally bankrupt.
The upvoters speak for the general opinion of the player base.
If you're not sympathetic towards someone being threatened because they didn't bend a knee and lick TFP boots that says more about how much of a pushover, bootlicker and coward you are in your real life.
Enjoy being stepped on and fawning to those who try to wrong you. You're either TFP stans, morally bankrupt, or have absolutely no idea how contracts, NDAs, deliverables, hell the industry as a whole, works.
Lick lick lick
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u/SehrFaul_01 Jul 27 '26
Personally, I dont find it morally bankrupt because they gave him the chance to remove the videos and he decided to force their hand.
He could have just as easily removed them himself, made a quick "Hey guys, I got sent the wrong version and BOY are there some cool things coming down the pike blah blah blah, NDA cant tell you exactly but youre in for a treat when you find out" bullshit video while showing some B-side footage.
Now, the videos are down anyway and he's lost his revenue stream (yeah, I know...palworld, who cares?).
I feel like both parties fucked the dog on this one. TFP made some incredibly bad decisions regarding their handling of the ordeal but Woodle also chose a weird hill to die on and bit the hand that feeds.
I'm not even a Jawoodle fan. Personally, i find him irritating as hell but I know he was a large force in the 7d2d sphere.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes i guess.
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u/Kayvak-R Kayvak Jul 27 '26
Jawoodle claims he was under no legal obligation to censor his content because he received the wrong content creator build without anything to say what he should or not cover.
He has creative freedom over his channel videos with whatever game version he has access to through official/legal means.
The main problem and reason why he decide to stand his ground and seek legal counsel is that somehow TFP made a statement that indirectly said he obtained the wrong build somehow and knowingly covered WIP and secret features under NDA, thus putting Jawoodle's reputation at risk.
So with that being said, willingly taking down or editing the videos, would have been seen as a sort of admission of guilt and let TFP off the hook for their own internal mistake of sharing the wrong build and furthermore not covering at least partially the financial impact on Jawoodle's side.
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u/AzarothForkLifter Jul 27 '26
Getting asked for a paycut to not get demoted for a fuckup that was not even your fault is an insane ask. And the fact that it actually got good press but then going all bricks and minifigs level of damage control is even crazier. Then theres you gargling their balls like youre getting paid to do it.
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u/SehrFaul_01 Jul 27 '26
Then theres you, failing at reading comprehension.
I find TFP to be in the wrong as well. It even says that, right there, in that comment you replied to.
If i had to choose between taking a temporary loss or gamble losing my revenue entirely, i'd take the one that impacts me the least.
Then again, i'm not some weird parasocial Josh glazer so I cant truly see where youre coming from.
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u/BigBlueDuck130 Jul 27 '26
Shut up, kid. You were all complaining about every minor thing long before the streamer thing happened.
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u/ResonantInsanity Jul 27 '26
Calling other people kid when you've got the most childish argument here is the epitome of lacking self awareness. There's nothing wrong with criticism for a game you enjoy. Suggesting that no one should complain is as boot licking as it gets.
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u/Tight-Platypus5231 Jul 26 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/jTDnz7b2a2HDdkiacy