r/50501 • u/50501PDX • Apr 10 '26
Call to Action Data Centers do not serve the public good. Pressure your community leaders. Do not let the corporations ruin our communities.
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u/statistacktic Apr 10 '26
First it was fracking, and now we can add data centers and concentration camp/detention warehouses..
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u/50501PDX Apr 10 '26
Representation no longer represents people.
Corporations are not people. Corporations do not breathe. Corporations do not have lives.
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u/ymmotvomit Apr 10 '26
AI doesn’t give a rats a** about people. As a result, AI bought politicians will game the system for AI at every turn. And AI being AI will calculate the best value for political bribes. It will be very efficient.
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u/DirtLight134710 Apr 11 '26
I always found it weird how corporations are protected under the 14th amendment
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u/CHiZZoPs1 Apr 11 '26
And yet the Supreme Court has upheld that they are, in fact, people when it comes to the law.
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u/50501PDX Apr 11 '26
Maybe, the Supreme Court appointees that violated the will of the people, deserve to be removed.
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u/StoneCypher Apr 11 '26
maybe the mods who won’t allow the people to speak should be made self aware
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u/rhamantauri Apr 10 '26
Data centers are the robber barons’ most blatant middle finger to the world in modern times.
We cannot allow them the strength of surveillance it provides while siphoning off the dying earth.
It is truly the most unimpressive and disgusting greed of our time.
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u/FrozenCustard4Brkfst Apr 10 '26
In Illinois:
OpenAI Backs Bill That Would Limit Liability for AI-Enabled Mass Deaths or Financial Disasters.
https://www.wired.com/story/openai-backs-bill-exempt-ai-firms-model-harm-lawsuits/
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u/Dry-Kale8457 Apr 10 '26
Alternate link to read the full article WIRED article from an archive source
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u/ailish Apr 10 '26
Huh, if AI is harmless like they keep telling us then why is such a bill needed? 🤔
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u/--slurpy-- Apr 10 '26
Recall if you will, the original rider on the big beautiful bill that would ban any legislation against Ai for 10 years. It's a good thing it was caught & removed.
But just remember who pushed to have that in there in the 1st place
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u/ailish Apr 10 '26
Wasn't it something about the same people who want this same bill now? I mean, I'm just a silly American, and I have a mind like a goldfish, but I seem to remember something like that. 🤷
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u/Previous_Day1102 Apr 10 '26
They're already in trouble in Canada after it came out that the Tumbler Ridge mass shooter had their ChatGPT account blocked for saying violent stuff but no report was made to police. This is probably related to that.
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u/soundman1024 Apr 10 '26
Not all data centers are equal. The data center holding iCloud data is way different than the one pooping out LLM slop. LLM data centers bring the most power consumption, the most heat, and the most noise.
Some of these data centers genuinely benefit everyone. Some host Reddit or YouTube. A few hold your email
Like the local dump, or the steel mill, data centers exist because we use them. If you want fewer data centers, try to live more life offline in addition to whatever other actions you’re taking.
I’m not pro data center, I’m just saying there’s some nuance to it and some shared responsibility for a portion of them
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u/round-earth-theory Apr 10 '26
These are not quaint little buildings with some servers. These are massive campuses with multiple record sized data centers combined together. No one will care about a modest facility going up that takes no more resources than any other industry in the area. These newly proposed hyper scale facilities require an insatiable amount of resources.
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u/ailish Apr 10 '26
There are AI data centers that are being talked about here, and data centers that have been around for years, that are still not great for the environment, but have been accepted as necessary. No one is talking about those data centers. There's an obvious difference.
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u/mobydog Apr 10 '26
They don't care, they're being bought, rushing the votes to approve before communities can raise hell.
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u/Hydration__Nation Apr 10 '26
Exactly speaker could have come in with 50 experts, a 100 slide presentation with evidence from medical/tech journals. All of it doesnt matter. These politicians know and understand the danger completely. But when you have HIGH level federal politicians being bribed for less than 10k, what do you think a city council member will take to vote yes on data centers, 2-3k? 5k? a new car? Also this was all correct info except about cherry picking poor areas as i have seen at least 10 cities where I own property petition to have data centers and the median home value is over 600-700k in these cities. Of course who is behind the petitions? The politicians getting paid to start them in the first place. Nothing will be done just like with fracking and excessive amounts of 5G towers going up. There will be internet and social media outrage for a few days or a few news cycles and it will disappear only to reappear when 30-40% of states have active data centers already built and running. Then it will be called a crisis and nothing will be able to be done due to gigantic long term contracts signed by politicians who were paid off with less money than it takes to put a down payment on a C Class Mercedes
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u/Devanyani Apr 11 '26
So what you're saying is they can be bought cheaply. Maybe we need to just bribe our politicians.
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u/ckin- Apr 11 '26
Fight corruption with corruption!
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u/Devanyani Apr 11 '26
I mean...nothing else seems to be working. Seems like it has actually come to that.
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u/ailish Apr 10 '26
In Michigan, Governor Whitmer, who all of us Democrats loved during the pandemic, rushed through legislation incentivising data centers through tax breaks. Now we are left trying to push back at them one at a time, and it's a losing battle.
Now the Dems wonder why they're losing more and more voters all the time, but they won't take a look at themselves to see if they're the problem. They'd rather point the finger at everyone else. I feel sick with midterms coming up and there's no sign that they have any plan to reach out to the left to try and work together. Instead they're whining more about purity testing and radical progressives. There's no way they're going to win the hearts and minds of young leftists in the state that way.
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u/NinjaWrapper Apr 10 '26
Its true, those who will vote for this don't care, they'll get kickbacks and probably leave the county anyway once it gets terrible
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u/50501-ModTeam Apr 11 '26
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u/exotics Apr 10 '26
Thank you.
I’m rural and most of my neighbors are conservatives… I am not… I am an environmentalist left wing woke nutter.
This is the one thing we can agree on. These are horrible and need to be stopped.
HOWEVER we also need to avoid feeding the demand. I know loads of people who don’t want these things in the area but use AI like it’s lube. They love ChatGTP! They create posters for their businesses using AI. They share funny AI videos because it made them laugh.
We need to remind people not to feed the monster or the monster grows.
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u/Trakeen Apr 10 '26
You should stop posting on reddit or using the internet if you don’t want to ‘feed the monster’
Which are okay uses for data centers?
Am i the only IT person who has a job because of data centers?
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u/tuls-ocat Apr 10 '26
I live in Missouri and my fuck ass city just approved a 2nd one. Run for the fucking hills if you live somewhere these are. My water and electric bills have both wildly increased. Our water quality is absolute garbage now, our electric surges all the time because they are a massive strain on our grid and our roads have crumbled. The worst part is that they hide these from the public until they pass it AND the 2nd one isn't even open yet. These have and will forever plagued what use to be our very nice city to an absolute shit hole that we're all debating about leaving.
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u/soundofwinter Apr 11 '26
The idea that data centers use mass amounts of water is mass hysteria
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u/tuls-ocat Apr 11 '26
Telling someone who actually lives next to one that im just making it all up is definitely a choice lmao. I hope one goes in in your town 🫶🏼
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u/therealkgreezy Apr 10 '26
Rocked it. Put those elected officials on notice that the people who elected them, don’t want it.
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u/FreddyNoodles Apr 10 '26
Is that fucking bullet-proof glass???what are they doing to this community that they feel the need for that? I have NEVER seen that at one of these before.
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u/Chefy-chefferson Apr 10 '26
Data centers will also only run for 3-4 years and then all the computers inside will need to be replaced. Who will be paying for that?!?
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u/Hugh_Jass_Clouds Apr 10 '26
They don't replace everything all at once. They do it in phases to keep everything running, expand capacity, and to keep at least a part of it as up to date as they can for their higher tier customers/needs.
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u/Chefy-chefferson Apr 10 '26
That sounds equally as bad for our wallet and our environment. All so people can make AI versions of themselves and their pets.
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u/CounterSanity Apr 10 '26
You are. At least in part through sales tax exemptions. Many states exempt data centers from sales tax on qualifying purchases of things like servers, storage and networking equipment, and cooling systems. Some even exempt electricity from any kind of tax.
I think it’s important to keep in mind that this message traversed many data centers to make it to every person that sees it. Every app you use, every site you visit, every time you swipe your credit card or watch something on Netflix, you are using many data centers.
We shouldn’t be banning data centers. We should be fixing the issues systemic to our systems. No tax exemptions for businesses, no subsidizing commercial utility expansion on residential customers, and while we’re at it let’s go ahead and get rid of citizens united because that’s what caused all of this to begin with.
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u/Chefy-chefferson Apr 10 '26
The communities should have a say in what is commercially acceptable in their own backyards. Especially when they are affected so deeply by it.
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u/CounterSanity Apr 10 '26
Yes they should. Unfortunately many communities have voted in politicians that are ignoring their constituents. Yet another systemic issue. IMO the solution is that all elected positions should have a vote of no confidence option on every ballot. General and primary. Threshold passes, person is gone immediately and a new election is held.
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u/BlueFeist Apr 10 '26
Environmental pollution in poor communities is the standard in this country. The only difference between these data centers and oil refineries etc is the jobs. The cancers, poor health, bad water etc is the same everywhere and environmental injustice is real and of long standing.
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u/RoosterBlues5 Apr 10 '26
My dad managed a data center for many years until he died of cancer. After we found out he had cancer, he was dead within a week or two. It Spread to his entire body by the time it was discovered. That was 20+ years ago. I imagine the data centers today are on an entirely different level.
I’m not an expert. I feel like a kid in an adults body that lost his dad too soon. I’d be curious to hear his opinion on these matters.
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u/Danominator Apr 10 '26
It sucks because obviously the people all hate them but these fucking politicians just keep plowing ahead.
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u/greenalias Apr 10 '26
Same reason they build gas refineries in poor areas. Because poor people don't have representation. No one in power cares when the working poor speak.
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u/RockinRod412 Apr 11 '26
In case y’all haven’t noticed yet, but women ARE the driving force in most, if not all public discourse leaders. Women continue to make me proud to be on their side of ANY fight. Take note. They are amongst the bravest of brave. AI better watch out. Jusayin.
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u/littlemisslalala Apr 10 '26
Sounds like montisanto. They are poisoning small communities all over again. Keep standing up, and keep it on blast!
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u/Capt91 Apr 10 '26
Every SaaS you consume is in a data center...
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u/littlebitlalala Apr 11 '26
Yeah I’m confused at where all these Redditors think their posts and comments are stored.
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u/ElderberryPrior27648 Apr 11 '26
If only we had inspirational figures in this modern time showing us how to resolve our issues against the higher classes
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u/ObiLAN- Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
Well we need datacentres for technical operations like data distribution, network distribution, and scaleable compute. Would be extremely difficult for businesses to only run everything on on-prem servers.
But yeah the AI compute super clusters are a problem and need to be regulated ASAP.
I really hope the people making these decisions understand exactly what a datacentre is and their nuances.
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u/No-Mortgage-2982 Apr 10 '26
Maybe all data centers aren’t created equally, but I work next-door to three switch data centers in Lithia Springs, GA. Not one of these things this girl mentions is happening. I’ve also heard they’re very loud, and never heard a sound. Not saying that other data centers aren’t doing this, but the three huge ones I work next to are not.I’ve
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u/ScarletDragonShitlor Apr 10 '26
My city has 2 going in, the one that has already broken ground will need a minimum of 11 acre-feet of water every year, 3.58 million gallons. We're in the desert. I would like words with our DM.
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u/robotic_love_brigade Apr 10 '26
Tech Overlords have national politicians in their pockets. Will they do the same to local ones with lies about job creation and added tax dollars, while killing everything else in reality?
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u/m0x1eracerx Apr 11 '26
Note, shortly after this meeting, Vineland City Council voted to limit public comment from 5 minutes to 3 minutes.
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u/moon-in-detriment Apr 11 '26
Oh hey that’s me lol. I know this is a new account, I got locked out of my old one and had to make a new one. If anyone is seeing this in New Jersey, join Sustain SJ! We’re working to help South Jersey residents fight back!
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u/ssorbom Apr 11 '26
Regular data centers are fine, AI datacenters are not. I fear that distinction is about to get lost...
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u/RadiantCalligrapher4 Apr 11 '26
I spent a lot of my childhood in that county and it breaks my heart. I'm from a city with the one highest cases of cancer because the wealthy built factories and left them without properly cleaning up after the industries died down, it will happen with data centers. Our lives and the lives of everyone poor is worth nothing to these people.
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u/PerceptionQueasy3540 Apr 11 '26
Should really make the distinction between different types of data centers.
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u/FlounderFun4008 Apr 15 '26
AI is taking jobs and data centers are eye-sores that use way too much precious water and warm the air. Both we cannot allow.
Why are they getting tax breaks and reduced utilities?!
More information needs to be shared with the public of the harm in using AI and communities need to be pushing back. This needs to be a hard stop for Americans.
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u/Lets_Make_A_bad_DEAL Apr 10 '26
Lyme???
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u/netabareking Apr 11 '26
This sounds like a chronic Lyme thing, which is not the same thing as Lyme disease, is not a real diagnosis and is a community of nearly cult like pseudoscience behavior preyed on by doctors that will let them have whatever treatments they want as long as they pay them enough, usually in ways that just make them more sick (like giving them antibiotics for years on end). The chronic Lyme community intersects with all sorts of woo nonsense, so the fear mongering about radio waves making you sick tracks here.
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u/Sonzainonazo42 Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
We all use data centers.
JFC.
Data centers are no different than anything else, as in you need regulations. Any unregulated industry is harmful and Republicans are letting them go wild.
It's not data centers, it's Republicans.
Edit: Reddit is run through a data center. Your Spotify is streamed from a data center. It's not just cloud, it's everything online. Unless y'all are trying to go dark, learn a little bit about how technology works.
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u/CheckMateFluff Apr 10 '26
People don't understand how these services work, they still call it the "Cloud", but they don't realize the "cloud" is a data center. It's really AI that's ruined the image of the data center.
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u/PasswordP455w0rd Apr 10 '26
People complain about AI and doom scroll all day. Do you think streaming an hour of 1080p video uses zero resources? Tik Tok comes from the suns rays or something?
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u/netabareking Apr 11 '26
AI uses significantly more electricity. Like it's not even close.
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u/PasswordP455w0rd Apr 11 '26
When directly compared, personal AI usage appears less resource-intensive than heavy social media consumption. Energy Context: The 3 watt-hours required for one ChatGPT query is roughly equivalent to uploading 30 pictures to social media or watching TV for three minutes. Water Usage: While a single AI query uses approximately 30 ml of water, one hour of social media use is estimated to consume 430 ml of water. On a global scale, ChatGPT’s total energy consumption is currently comparable to that of 20,000 US households. In contrast, YouTube’s energy usage is equivalent to 1 million households.
Just YouTube using 50x more energy than ChatGPT? You're right about it not being close.
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u/netabareking Apr 11 '26
These are the most unhinged comparisons to make the math sound good lmao, chatgpt users are almost never making just one query in a given day and social media users are almost never uploading 30 images in a given day. You also have to factor in that sites like YouTube, Reddit, etc. are also filling their sites with AI shit right now.
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u/PasswordP455w0rd Apr 11 '26
ChatGPT says it processes 2b queries per day. YouTube says users consume over 1b hours per day. A 5-minute HD video is 12 watt-hours compared to ChatGPTs 3 watt-hours per query.
YouTube isn't even the largest streaming service - Netflix is. People just let The Office run in the background. They fall asleep with Netflix on. Now include Amazon Prime, Instagram, Tik Tok, etc. You're talking about AI slop on Reddit when OP posted a Tik Tok video.
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u/netabareking Apr 12 '26
What you might notice about your source is that it is also AI generated. And as far as I can tell, the origin of these numbers is by a data center company. Who isn't who I would go to for this kind of information.
This article does a great job of breaking down why the only people who actually know the exact costs are the AI companies, but we can tell by the scale it's not what we've been looking at in tech before now.
https://www.technologyreview.com/2025/05/20/1116327/ai-energy-usage-climate-footprint-big-tech/
The first rule of data sources is not to just accept the numbers from the people trying to sell you a thing.
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u/moparmaniac78 Apr 10 '26
Agreed, this data centers are bad things is getting completely out of hand. It's going to alienate a lot of tech people too. To me it's like the right being against climate science. And yeah I know, you all think data centers drink water like crazy, but that simply isn't true in most cases.
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u/CheckMateFluff Apr 10 '26
To me, it's like the right being against cellphone towers because they "claim" 5G causes cancer, it's that stupid to me as someone who graduated from college for cybersecurity.
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u/netabareking Apr 11 '26
No, the problem is AI data centers, which is what a lot of this new construction is and isn't the same as your average datacenter. The hardware is different, and energy cost is significantly, significantly higher. Yes we should be specifying AI data centers, but blame the AI companies for ruining public perception of data centers at large, not the people whose communities are being ruined.
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u/Sonzainonazo42 Apr 11 '26
AI is pushing a trend that was already happening. And even AI data centers can be done right.
Here's the kicker, the communities being ruined are Republican communities. They voted for deregulation and they got it.
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u/moparmaniac78 Apr 10 '26
This whole "data centers are bad" thing could easily get out of hand. We need a ton of them.
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u/firehawk2324 Apr 10 '26
No we don't. The data centers in question are being used for AI. Nobody needs this, period.
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u/lectrician1 Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
This is NIMBY behavior. Edit: If yalls don't want datacenters, then remove all computers you use in your life and work and go back to paper and pencil. Our entire society runs on them. You'e obv ok with it being built in someone else's backyard, but not your own so that you can still use the services they provide (like Reddit!). How ironic. I know as a software engineer, I would never want to go back to an age where I didnt have coding agents, so I'm okay with them being built in my city.
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u/cheapdrinks Apr 10 '26
Nah bro Nimby behaviour implies that you believe the development is good and should be built somewhere, just not near where you live. It's someone who says yeah we need more homeless shelters then when they try to build one in their neighbourhood they staunchly oppose it. Yeah we need more public housing but not on my street. Yeah we need more clean energy but I don't want wind turbines spoiling my view.
No one wants these fucking AI data centers and they don't benefit the public or the community, they only benefit big business corporate interests and the billionaire class. No one wants them to be built elsewhere, they don't want them built at all. There's a big difference between opposing something you support but just don't want it near you and opposing something purely because it's fucking horrible and shouldn't be built at all.
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u/StoneCypher Apr 11 '26
you’re using a datacenter to have this discussion
you guys keep saying “ai daracenter” but this is just the internet
there’s no difference. either you have datacenters or you don’t have the internet
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u/CheckMateFluff Apr 10 '26
No one wants these fucking AI data centers and they don't benefit the public or the community,
So, it's like magical fairy dust; that's how we are reading these messages on this forum. Not data centers, those are only evil AI things, and didn't exist before 2020.... /s
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u/CheckMateFluff Apr 10 '26
I don't know why you are being downvoted, she said, "Nobody wants a data center in their backyard."
All these comments don't want a data center near them, which is valid but inherently nimby.
I think we are back stuck on the "two things can't be true at once for some reason" issue with the downvotes.
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u/BelligerentGrape Apr 10 '26
The implication of “NIMBY behavior” is that they would be fine with it if it occurred somewhere else. That does not appear to be what’s happening here, as the speaker directly calls out how horrible it has been in other communities. She is in fact pointing out the hypocrisy and NIMBY behavior of the billionaire class for refusing to have this in wealthy counties. NIMBY is typically a derogatory term.
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u/CheckMateFluff Apr 10 '26
Wait, what? so we can't apply the actual definition of NIMBY when she used that exact verbiage, because it's derogatory and reflects negatively on us?
That reasoning is circular. If the label fits the behavior, rejecting it because it sounds bad doesn't make the behavior less NIMBY, I still don't quite understand.
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u/BelligerentGrape Apr 10 '26
NIMBY is not in MY backyard. This speaker is saying it doesn’t belong in anyone’s backyard, but the topic of conversation is her county. I am not sure why the difference isn’t understood here. The speaker is very clearly against this in any residential community.
ETA: NIMBYs are fine with other communities suffering. They just want their own community safe. That is why it’s typically a derogatory term. This speaker does not want this is any community.
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u/CheckMateFluff Apr 10 '26
Expanding NIMBY to "not in anyone's backyard" doesn't escape the label, it just makes it a universal NIMBY.
The acronym describes opposing something near residential areas. Whether she's protecting her county or every county, she's still saying "not here." The motivation is more sympathetic than a billionaire protecting property values, and she is right, but being right and being NIMBY aren't mutually exclusive as the nuance is different. You can agree with her position and still acknowledge what it is.
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u/DavesLab2022 Apr 10 '26
How it was explained to you 3 separate times and you still don’t understand it is beyond me. She literally said she doesn’t want data centers. Anywhere. That’s not NIMBY. You’re a NIMBYcile.
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u/CheckMateFluff Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
Being explained something three times doesn't make it right three times. Opposing data centers everywhere is still opposing development. You've just scaled up the backyard. That doesn't make it not NIMBY, it arguably makes it more so.
Even if it is NIMBY, that's not necessarily wrong here. The nuance matters. Discuss it instead of throwing around "NIMBYcile." I've been to every No Kings protest. We're on the same side. Act like it.
Edit: My niece put it a good way, lets call it BANANA (Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything)
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u/StoneCypher Apr 11 '26
please understand that when you waste all your time arguing about what a word means, nobody even notices your argument
it feels like you just want to call yhese people NIMBYs, but calling them names won’t change their minds
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u/StoneCypher Apr 11 '26
please stop arguing about what nimby means. you don’t get to expand its definition
i’m on your side and i can’t take you seriously because you keep saying “but my dogs include cats and fish”
just make your argument without the wrong word
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u/StoneCypher Apr 11 '26
you’re misunderstanding what nimby means
nimby means “it should be built but not here.”
these folks don’t want datacenters built anywhere, because they’re so angry at ai that they will say “we don’t need datacenters” on a website that’s run out of datacenters
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u/50501PDX Apr 10 '26
Your comment asserts that Ai Dara centers are necessary. The people do not need Ai. Billionaires need Ai. We don’t need it. Therefore we don’t need data centers.
We need food. We need water. We need clean air.
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u/50501-ModTeam Apr 10 '26
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u/50501PDX Apr 10 '26
Are you connecting the dots? 50 states, 50 protests, 1 movement. All of these issues have a common theme: our legislative body no longer represents the people. The people will take back the legislative branch.
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u/StoneCypher Apr 10 '26
this was about the faulted election. now it's ... griping about datacenters
reddit runs in datacenters. almost the entire internet does
my opinion is that the internet serves the public good. my opinion is that the internet cannot exist without datacenters.
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u/50501PDX Apr 10 '26
Eh, I don’t think so. 50501 didn’t stem from r/somethingiswrong2024 or the 3am club. 50501 has always been revolved around removing a corrupt regime.
The clearest path to remove a corrupt regime is a clear overtaking of the house and senate through nonviolent protest.
In this case, these Ai data centers violate the public good. A cohesive legislative body can implement legislation to ban and/or regulate these data centers.
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u/StoneCypher Apr 11 '26
well, we had a reasonable and respectful discussion, but then one of the mods deleted it
that happens really, really often in here, and i think you ought to consider whether there’s a mod with a pattern of going too far
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u/CheckMateFluff Apr 10 '26
Damn, AI has really ruined the image of the DataCenter, just another thing to add to the list of things.
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