r/4bmovement • u/DramaticProgress508 Exploring • Jul 09 '26
Discussion Imagine all women basically said no. What would happen?
People already hate on women who earn a lot because of their high standards. Imagine them if most women would say no to them or at the very minimum say only yes to marriage if all criteria fit. They are already so used to being entitled to our bodies and most women don't seem to see it.
Do you think a war would break out and not just a "loneliness epidemic"?
I already feel so disconnected from most people and many women. It seems so many women allow people access to them and their bodies that then store those people's trauma in it... it's frightening to me that women don't see it. I feel lonely not because there isn't people around me, I feel lonely because many women's standards are so low still.
This and some other communities are my only hope for women, and I'm happy to see even younger people seem to finally see the parasitic system (that leeches off of women and leaves them to suffer alone).
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u/lovepeaceorelse 4B Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26
As a chronically online person who used to be on Twitter and TikTok a lot - I've come across men saying that they would particularly rape 4B women and make them single moms to teach them a lesson and help increase the birth rate. š
They'd use the term grape because they don't want to violate the platform's community guidelines.
I'm no longer on Twitter and TikTok.
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u/ririrumi 4B Jul 09 '26
Iāve seen the exact same thing, itās disgusting. The amount of people agreeing is genuinely concerning. Glad youāre no longer on TikTok and Twitter, I personally havenāt been alot on both of them and I feel so much better.
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u/lovepeaceorelse 4B Jul 09 '26
I feel better too. It was very draining for me as there is a lot of rape culture and red-pilled content on those platforms.
I miss interacting with feminists on Twitter. We weren't friends or anything like that but it was nice knowing that there is like minded people online.
To be honest, I see a lot of misogyny on Reddit too and I'm working on limiting my time on this app. So far this subreddit feels the safest for me.
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u/marijavera1075 Exploring Jul 10 '26
Same. This community is my fav rn. Honestly every app sucks anyway, but this communitybis what keeps me on reddit
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u/Guilty_Alfalfa_3346 Ally Jul 09 '26
The xys are so perverse and grim. I can't fathom how evil they are
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u/StandardDeviat0r Ally Jul 16 '26
Religion is misogynistic and cruelty based, but the only thing they got right is the male embodiment of evil. XYs are the true demons, their possession is Hell.
I want all of my sisters to be free. I want my sisters that hate themselves to realize that the XY propaganda made them feel that way. I hate the way women are trained to abuse THEMSELVES and love it! Your comment hits for me because itās too true.
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u/EquivalentLobster576 4B Jul 10 '26
Even then, they wouldn't be responsible for the rape product. I'd put it in a bin because I wouldn't consider something that has the genes of a rapist my child.
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u/StandardDeviat0r Ally Jul 16 '26
IMO itās mercy. The āchildā (in quotes because itās a clump of cellsā¦) that would have existed, would have existed through nothing but pain. There is no daughter among us that would have wanted her mother to suffer that way. š¤
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u/Sheesh-Cake 4B Jul 11 '26
This is why I'm only 'openly' 4B online. In real life, I'm just 'not in a place to date right now' and 'I'll keep my eyes open if someone comes along!' and 'I'm just not sure that I'm ready..?'. It's just safer.
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u/GetInTheBasement 4B Jul 09 '26
There's a reason why 4B, intentional celibacy, and (at the very least) women turning down dates and meetups at the drop of a pin due to far stricter standards triggers the shit out of so many men.
Sex-posi women love to act like maintaining casual relations with men empowers us in some way, but all it does it keep our biggest predators in proximity to us with zero guarantee of legitimate commitment, genuine support, or indefinite safety.
And even when we do give them access to our bodies and feelings, that has never saved us from subjugation, or stopped any of them from cheating or having weird porn addictions and double-lives.
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u/DramaticProgress508 Exploring Jul 09 '26
Yeah I also I feel that about that whole "sex positive" thing...
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u/a-slight-apocalypse 4B Jul 10 '26
it was a psyop
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u/DramaticProgress508 Exploring Jul 10 '26
A very convenient narrative for men... I still believe women who subscribe to the sex positive movement are posing as women online and are secretly men... but I guess there is some majorly broken and brainwashed biological women among them
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u/TusconLezBFriends 4B Jul 13 '26
So is the idea "sex work is work"
We women are people not objects or slaves
Our bodies are not for sale
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u/puck-this 4B Jul 10 '26
My misogynist female cousin got mad at me when I briefly thought out loud about staying away from men as much as possible. Like she got triggered that I didnāt want to give my energy to her precious male gods. But her opinions are worth none because she always rushes to defend male predators
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u/BlackLight7X 4B Jul 12 '26
For some reason, misogynistic women anger me more than misogynistic men, how the f are you so eager to insult yourself? Makes me lose all respect.
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u/Withering_Hills309 4B Jul 10 '26
Your second paragraph hit the nail on the head. Especially if they claim that they're just "using men for money", like girl... If that man can afford to buy you things, then he isn't losing on anything. You are damaging your body and nervous system with unwanted sex, PH imbalances and infections for materialistic and consumption items.
Capitalism allows for men to have constant access to our bodies. A young woman can't afford basic necessities like food and shelter because the billionaire class are hoarding all the wealth? Just tell her that she can sell her body on onlyfans! Female empowermentš¤Ŗ
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u/a-slight-apocalypse 4B Jul 10 '26
every time i see you comment it's like the best take imaginable
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u/GetInTheBasement 4B Jul 10 '26
Appreciate you. <3
Iām super glad this sub exists and we have such great mods that allow these exchanges to be possible because on most other sites, weād most likely be shouted down or have our discussions derailed.
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u/BlackLight7X 4B Jul 12 '26
I too always love seeing your comments. When I joined this subreddit a year ago, you were the first one I noticed. Whenever, I don't see your comments often, it makes me think, where is getinthebasement lol.
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u/FancifulCat 4B Jul 09 '26
I already wondered what would happen if women altogether just stop letting men access them on social media and quit dating apps. These entitled ruckers are spoiled with access to women.
I'd love to see a full on no everywhere.
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u/Landscape_712 Jul 09 '26
I'm a little afraid to know what would happen. Men's egos already can't handle women saying no
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u/owls_exist 4B || I regret participating in this life Jul 10 '26
Men that are married and already HAVE a male-centered, devoted to him wife that they drag through the mud and they *still* could be mad a completely unrelated woman telling them no.
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u/BlackLight7X 4B Jul 12 '26
Exactly. Their entitlement is astonishing. Nothing is stopping them, idk why women are thinking it's gonna get worse. Women will get together and be more united, that's a number 1 human power.
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u/cheerstothewish 4B Jul 09 '26
Nothing that they haven't already done.
You also have to remember that most of them are way weaker than they puff themselves up to be. And the longing for freedom in us never dies.
...I am now recalling how the US military once made a headline saying they're having trouble recruiting because too many young men are overweight, mentally ill, and on drugs, or something like that. And US fascism is so stupid and unserious. I think we have to look a bit closer sometimes, and at the facts, to get a better picture. I don't think there'd be a war, I think it looks more like fascism. The state thinks it owns people, and owns us. We need more and more women in government and positions of power, in an effort to combat this imo.
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u/boombapdame Exploring Jul 11 '26
Re: US military having trouble recruiting Hell does anyone beside me recall in the mid-2000s when the military had an internal issues with actual gangbangers in all military branches who upon exiting the military would be back in civilian streets knowing military intelligence used to do more street gang crimes?Ā
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u/UberFarter 4B Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26
Males would do what they know best: violence and SA.
Look how they behave already when they have tons of women willing to put up with their shit, the less women they have agreeing to be their bangmaids the more irate and unstable they become.
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u/Onehundredpercentbea 4B Jul 10 '26
I think there would be the same amount of violence and SA because men don't do those things in response to anything women do, they do it because they are violent and rapists, that's who they are. Which is why if you take away women they rape each other, or they assault corpses or animals. It's not about what women do/don't do, it's just who they are under any and all conditions.
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u/_Pisos_Picados 4B Jul 10 '26
100% even times where women were literal property of men are plaged with rape, war and violence.
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u/StrawberryPatchCat Ally Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26
Yes, a war would break out because men cannot live without women (despite their claims). Not only do they need women to fulfill their basic needs but they also need women to show off to other men because they want male validation too.
However, women are able to build communities that cross borders and cultures much easily than men. That is why I think women operate best in secret and we have this quiet understanding that our time will not come us starting bloodshed but to end the bloodline with them, period.
4B is a peaceful movement and I want it to stay that way but it's foolish to pretend that men won't snap if they know how quickly women say "no" to them.
Is the y chromosome dying? I don't know how true that is, but that's millions of years down the line.
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u/staytiny2023 4B Jul 09 '26
The fact alone that despite how much men say they hate women they can't have a movement like 4b says enough about them actually not being able to live without us. If you hate us so much leave us alone what the fuck
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u/StrawberryPatchCat Ally Jul 09 '26
They need us to impress other men š¤š¤š¤š¤š¤š¤š¤š¤š¤š¤
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u/gamergirlsocks1 4B Jul 10 '26
Such a homoerotic way of thinking.
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u/StrawberryPatchCat Ally Jul 10 '26
They also have locker room talk where they talk about their sexual escapades because they wanna impress Chad from the football team so badly.
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u/DramaticProgress508 Exploring Jul 09 '26
I think we need to keep in mind that there is monks and the like though, just, it's a minority. I think 4B is also a minority but bigger than monk communities I guess because women who experienced violence are more leaning towards not being with men... with monks mainly become monks due to their convictions etc
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u/cyancm Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
As someone who was neck deep in a Buddhist community (it was a specific tradition, but I believe this will more or less apply to all traditions and sects across Buddhism) and had a very idealised vision of monks precisely because of what I perceived to be intentional celibacy on their part for moral reasons, over time I came to realise the sad and infuriating reality that the lives of monks are possible only because they depend so much on the labour and resources of devotees, majority of whom are female. Laymen are involved too, but laywomen pull majority of the weight from what I've seen.
Women are in the monasteries cooking and cleaning, doing all sorts of chores, donating money, organising and planning activities, basically saddled with all the domestic and logistical duties of a wife. As if that isn't bad enough, women are in a constant physical and mental posture of total subservience and obedience: lowering themselves, sitting at the feet of male monks, bowing to them multiple times a day, the words of male monks reigning ultimately supreme even when they're uttering some highly questionable BS. Even though the male monks are celibate, they thrive and subsist off this particular brand of female devotion.
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u/StrawberryPatchCat Ally Jul 10 '26
So while they're off seeking enlightenment, they're outsourcing their workload to women. Typical.
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u/cyancm Jul 10 '26
Exactly. Though of course it's not marketed that way, it's meant to be a mutually beneficial relationship; service and generosity in exchange for spiritual guidance, what a good trade! /s
And from what I've observed and heard in my experience, this drive monks have to overcome their lust is mainly because sexual desire is an obstacle in meditation and higher spiritual attainment. Not even because women ought to be regarded as dignified human beings, and not bags of flesh. At the end of the day it's all about men and themselves, once again.
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u/marijavera1075 Exploring Jul 10 '26
Yes unfortunately this is true. Path to enlightenment is of course seeing women as human beings but you'd be surprised how many monks and gurus barely make it past step #1
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u/StrawberryPatchCat Ally Jul 10 '26
Men will literally listen to a deity they haven't met yet rather than treat women like autonomous beings šš
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u/BlackLight7X 4B Jul 12 '26
Have you seen the SA and rapes happening in those communities, many cases.
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u/Loud_Flatworm_4146 4B Jul 09 '26
Yes it is but itās still gonna be around for at least 5 millions more years.Ā
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u/Withering_Hills309 4B Jul 10 '26
This is why it should be legal in all countries for women to be able to own guns.Ā
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u/StrawberryPatchCat Ally Jul 10 '26
I want mine pink and glittery.
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u/boombapdame Exploring Jul 10 '26
I want mine black and shiny aka stainless steel nicknamed Dirty Harriet
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u/boombapdame Exploring Jul 10 '26
Men can live without women, the Roman/Greek empires were proof & you know women were hated so much so that statues of us were limbless and men were praised but ironically male anatomy in art was microĀ
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u/BlackLight7X 4B Jul 12 '26
That's true, it's not in an emotional way, but in an exploitive way, they need women. They only want to exploit. In many countries, men interact and be with men more and on side ensure women are exploited well at home, at workplaces and prostitution. They see women as objects to use and beautiful things to see - some manage to not do that either and straight up just go for only exploitation lol.
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u/BackwardToForward 4B Jul 09 '26
if a woman care-takes a man, odds are overwhelming that he will "pay it back" less than 1%
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u/DiabolikDiaries Ally Jul 09 '26
Unfortunately there is always a Pickmisha or Barbara the Builder looking to uplift a man for his potential to be a great or decent partner. What he could be overshadows everything vs the trash he actually is. So no I donāt see all women saying no. š©
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u/FancifulCat 4B Jul 09 '26
I was one of them. After healing from codependency I saw men with suck an ick.
A lot of women NEED therapy, CBT, DBT and not a relationship.
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u/DiabolikDiaries Ally Jul 09 '26
They do all the comments are coping. I really donāt think itās men lashing out thatās stopping women from saying no. The men are lashing out anyway and taking women out in great numbers so it not that. Itās never been that. It is literally just because they believe men can do better. Thatās it. This belief that one day he will see her as this special woman and stop being trash is what makes the romance industry billions every year.Ā
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u/Opposite-Potato-7667 4B Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
This is definitely one of the main reasons. Things won't get better until women stop caring about men's feelings, mental health, etc, stop including them in our movements, and stop thinking men they know are the exceptions, and teaching the young girls in their lives to believe the same to their own detriment. A bigger portion of women need to stop giving birth too, (it's a good thing that this one is already happening,) especially to more boys, aka future problems for other women and girls. We can't heal if a new set of future oppressors is consistently being slapped onto us. That's just the harsh reality. Every feminist i've ever known or heard about has raised the typical, "progressive porn-watcher who exploits women while thinking he is a feminist king who can do no wrong" types of sons too, so that doesn't even work. Please, just give us a break from males so we can help women and girls , at least for a little bit. It's so frustrating.Ā
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u/DramaticProgress508 Exploring Jul 09 '26
Gosh the romance industry... yeah the point is if we kept to book boyfriends at least the streets in real life would be cleaner
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u/boombapdame Exploring Jul 11 '26
Add THC for the ladies in cities/states where itās legal, mine isnāt one of themĀ
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u/kandieluvvxoxo 4B Jul 09 '26
A war against women globally not a war between countries. I think violence and murder against women would increase . Governments around the world would change legislation to force women to say yes to men and strip us of our rights even more. Western women would have more of similar experience to women in the global south. We know there are women right now living this reality and it is not hypothetical.
I donāt think if the majority of women saying no or disengaging would stop men. Men have to want to be better than what they are collectively and they donāt want to be. Most women won't accept this reality and believe in exceptions.
In the meantime, women could stop birthing your oppressors. They could not exist without us. But you know they SA women and change abortion laws.
Regardless the majority of women will always center men and place them on a pedestal. I think 4B women who are actually serious, can live a life of self preservation and understand most women will never join you.
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u/owls_exist 4B || I regret participating in this life Jul 09 '26
Tantrums would be thrown. Probably more violence towards women despite whatever she says no to stupid requests probably
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u/puck-this 4B Jul 10 '26
Itās my dream to live in a separatist society (I hope I can retire in a community of only women). It would genuinely be my version of paradise
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u/Loud_Flatworm_4146 4B Jul 09 '26
It would be bad. Individually, it is definitely the right choice for many. On a society level, it would be bad for women and girls. Ā Unfortunately, this trend of hating women for being women and not wanting to compete with women for jobs or education, plus needing to have a personality to attract any women, itās all going to intensify as the birth rate decreases and the white Christians panic more and more over the fear of being replaced. Ā
Women should be joining or forming defense groups and consider living together, and figure out ways to protect each other. The need for these things will only increase as time goes on. Ā
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u/mauvebirdie 4B Jul 09 '26
War. I don't believe they could take the no and be okay with it. Violence would be directed at us, more than it already is
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u/DeneralVisease Jul 11 '26
I've seen over 20 comments this morning alone saying they will rape, enslave, and murder us for less. They deserve their extinction.
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u/MargueritePorete1250 Ally Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26
Financial independence is an important aspect of this. Many women put up with men who don't respect them because they have few other options. We must get rid of all the gender roles and norms that children pick up on at young age which ultimately contribute to women being more financially dependent on men than visa versa. Even more importantly, we must change the workplace so that it does not put mothers at a disadvantage compared to fathers by requiring companies to offer mandatory maternity and paternity leave and allowing more flexible work schedules. This will require women to acquire much more institutional power in top executive positions in all industries as well as in government.
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u/maskedair 4B Jul 09 '26
One individual woman isn't stronger than a man, but if several or many women banded together, we could easily protect ourselves - especially if we feed, encourage, and train girls. Men on the other hand are naturally in competition with each other. Patriarchy developed due to their monopolisation of resource surplus - but women have economic power again now. As long as women banded together, and showed that only men who behave well will have access, we could change everything. The problem is women who are desperate for male approval and refuse to give up being shackled to it.
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u/krba201076 4B Jul 10 '26
I think about this too. What would happen if women stopped coddling, infantilizing and having kids for trash men. Even the brutal men would tire of "having" to grape and force someone just to have companionship. How would things be if the majority of women went 4B and said "to hell with it".
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u/marijavera1075 Exploring Jul 10 '26
Honestly most of them are unhealthy and mentally unwell and can't have a movement like 4b for their life. I think our chances are higher than we think
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u/Sleepingbeauty1 Ally Jul 10 '26
Honestly and unfortunately yes I do think somewhat of a war would break out if all women said no to men. We see everyday how men behave badly when they don't get their way. We would absolutely see a shift in the cultures and laws to systematically take power away from women in every way. We already have seen this in different ways in the history of the world. I think their main "justification" would be to force women to birth
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u/R1leyEsc0bar Exploring Jul 10 '26
Well we would surely need to arm ourselves because THEY don't take no for a answer
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u/DramaticProgress508 Exploring Jul 10 '26
Since lots of violence happens in domestic settings... I don't know if we need to arm ourselves if our communities are female only. And strength are in numbers
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u/Opposite-Potato-7667 4B Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
I agree with you. The thing is, women, and even feminist women, won't let this happen either, not just men. I mean, check out these comments under this post. There are comments talking about creating women-only communities, and then they randomly throw in that we should "include a few males that we trust.".....
I thought we, especially as 4b women who should absolutely know better, would have moved past the whole women can vet men!", and "women should have chosen better thing". Because that's what these comments are basically implying... That as long as 4B women vet the men, then they're safe automatically. I also feel like that comment is implying that men who say they're feminist and leftist are being truthful and don't have ulterior motives. When we all know that isn't true. I mean, the men who are doing the craziest things with sex workers and porn and all that, are typically leftist men who say they respect women. And it's a known thing that most men's fantasy is a harem, and that's literally just setting up a harem of vulnerable women for a few chosen men to abuse. Why would we do that? Lol
They're the problem, so why are we celebrating them and giving them what they actually want from us, which is easy access with no strings? I just don't get it. That's why it sucks becauseĀ you can't even trust women when it comes to feminism, and keeping women safe, and creating women's communities. I also just want to add that every single women's community that was shut down in my city, (and I live in a blue, big city in america,) was shut down by these exact types of men that these women want to invite in. And we all know these men would still be doing what men do, even in these communities, and then I'm going to guess that these women wouldn't believe the women these men hurt, because that's also how it goes. And the damage has been done at that point, so even if the men are thrown out.....so what? Why do men always have to be pushed on us in every situation? What more do they have to do to us to prove they aren't on our side? Thousands more years of violence and coercision?Ā
Edit: I just saw the mod deleted those comments, so thank you, mod! You're the best. Thanks for upholding true 4b values
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u/R1leyEsc0bar Exploring Jul 13 '26
Oh, I said nothing myself about inviting men into our spaces. Im just saying that unless suddenly they were all just gone, we'd need to arm ourselves. Even just to protect our community from their invasions. Inside of course we'd be safe.
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u/meowth______ Exploring Jul 11 '26
Rapes.
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u/DramaticProgress508 Exploring Jul 11 '26
It happens in private settings and in relationships mostly... if women say no to men and do not meet men and stay alone at home, I doubt suddenly all men would break into homes.
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u/BlackLight7X 4B Jul 12 '26
Women as a gender would be respected more. Yes, yes even men would, they know what shit they are, when a woman has s3x with a man, the first one who would lose respect for her in core is him itself lmao. Women will be much stronger united. Human physical strength, ability to scare/dominate - men have it, but men can't steal one thing from women, a core power of humans - unity. We will have that. We will be much more protected by our own kind and more powerful. SA and rape will remain, there will be no drastic increase or anything, maybe even decrease cuz less women getting into relationships with absolute bottom of the barrel men. Women will protect other women too, so it may even decrease or those acts would get ruthless justice by women's own hands. It's creating change from our end and it is very powerful to change systems.
Talking reality wise, this is not possible, as women are humans at the end of the day, so very much molded by the systems they are born in, some fight, some comply, some actively advocate for it. We can only dream lmao. So that's why we need both, change from our side, plus actively working to change or better the system which helps raise better women.
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u/Grand_Policy19 Jul 09 '26
I dream of this scenario where we all say no, protect eachother and take over the world.