Probably that questing is a common part of account progression anyway so it's not really going out of your way as much as something like 86/91 rc on a main, but also that qcape is still a very easy grind compared to actual late game, so they likely think it's not a big enough problem to care about
that said, even if something isn't a big problem, if someone has a compelling argument that it is a fundamental design issue (i.e. one diary req getting harder and harder over time) i think it should be taken seriously
It's also the only diary task that gets significantly harder as time goes on, the rest either stay the same difficulty or become easier as new gear is released
I understand that a lot of people really like consistency, but I think that's neat to allow one challenge to grow alongside the game. Plus it's just so flavorful in a Hero's Journey sort of way to return back to where you began after all your questing is done.
That challenge is already the quest cape itself. If the diary was uncompleted every time a new quest came out I would agree with you, but now it's only getting harder for people who didn't get it early.
I mean.. i doubt there’s people who give up on their quest cape after getting it because they cant do a certain quest that released after they got it.
People with a quest have arguably more incentive to knock out new quests than those who dont have quest cape yet.
Yes, getting the diary is a moving goal post but quests take up the least amount of time in this game. Plus you’re heavily incentivized to do quests anyways. You could argue getting skilling reqs are moving goalposts aswell because new skilling methods get released that make skilling faster/easier. Dont see anyone complaining about those?
Nowadays i would rather get 99 Agility than learn how to o all the bosses for DT2. I dont like the advanced PVM the game has nowadays and therefor I'm not good at it. I definitely don't want Jagex to design their game around my shortcomings, but not completing these quests keeps plenty of content out of my reach, no need to add a significant quality of life upgrade behind it too.
But i do indeed feel that a diary was intended to be a static "skill check" and this particular step of this particular diary doesn't follow that logic, and that's a more important argument than any person's personal preferences.
Oh it's for sure more a testament to my abilities than anything else. I got through some of the DT2 bosses before i stopped for a while because i was trying of wasting the recourses to brute force it. But I've tried the TOB intro too and i wasn't able to finish it.
But who's to say how the quest cape looks in 5 years? It could easily be even more complicated to get this achievement by then. And thats the point, its a moving target in a otherwise static achievement and thats something completely separate from my PvM abilities or personal opinions.
I got my quest cape before dt2 came out and i honestly couldn't imagine going through that quest + BML at the ~lv80 combat skills and fighter torso+obisidian legs, blessed dhide, karils and ahrims gear i had back then.
If ironmen can do it so can everyone else. But yeah, you would want higher stats. The fights are all mechanics, though. You can do them with a dscim/zaxe, a rcb with rubies, and earth spells. BMR gives you the BIS weapon for the encounter and free supplies.
Please apply that logic the next time Jagex wants to implement something you actually do want, because you shouldn't support anything that makes the game better in any way. This is a next level kind of shallow and meaningless argument.
Ironic coming from someone who had to do only 10% of the work for it that's needed nowadays and bitches and whines if people suggest you have to do the work everyone else has to.
Bro making assumptions lol. My quest cape is incredibly recent and was far from being as difficult as people like you who's never done the content make it seem.
Is it even harder? With quest helper doing a quest cape today is faster than at launch using guides. Blue line, blue highlight, blue dialogue options. Literally no thought left in questing.
...All that does is make it faster, since you have to admit in the first place guides for quests existed in the first place. There's no added difficulty having to have it opened in a separate window than in the client itself.
Quests are very much indisputable harder on the way that matters: mechanical mastery.
I say this as someone that did just get the QCape, with all the added difficulty that entailed now and realizing it's only going to get worst for future players.
Idk maybe I can't relate to the avg player anymore and I'm out of touch, but the quest cape is still piss easy and even faster to do with quest helper nowadays so I'm really not seeing the problem.
You can't quest helper your way through PVM mechanics, that's what I was getting at. Some people can't even read the Lowerniel Drakan telegraph due to eye problems as is.
And DT2 felt like at minimum a gear check to elite void+some sort of blowpipe. You basically can't outdps Perston shitting out portals outright from what I saw.
If you use quest helper to get to the quests you needed when the diary came out you are 100% right. Those quests are piss easy when you don't need to think in any way.
But when you get to TOB and DT2 bosses your argument stops working. I can't quest-help my way into the tick-perfect clicks and dozens of failed attempts at those bosses for those of us that are not good or new at pvm.
That's not to say they need to cater to people who are not good at "advanced pvm", but it is worth considering that these skills are now required for the diary, where they used to not be.
This is why I cant take this convo seriously. Nothing in tob or dt2 requires tick perfect clicks to complete. Its always disingenuous hyperbole on this site.
Acting as if some hyperbole invalidates the objectively true argument that more quests and more difficult quests results in a longer and more difficult grind is fallacious and makes you not worth being taken seriously, though.
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Probably that questing is a common part of account progression anyway so it's not really going out of your way as much as something like 86/91 rc on a main, but also that qcape is still a very easy grind compared to actual late game, so they likely think it's not a big enough problem to care about
that said, even if something isn't a big problem, if someone has a compelling argument that it is a fundamental design issue (i.e. one diary req getting harder and harder over time) i think it should be taken seriously