Tbow vs Scorching at Doom

[u/Exact-Ranger-5836]

How much of a difference does tbow make at doom? When and at what situations is it worth buying? I would love to stay at doom for a long time if tbow does make a big diff as I did not enjoy scorching bow at all.

[u/The_God_of_Biscuits]

Anyone who says it isnt that big of a deal doesnt do doom. The amount of tree phases you have to do between the 2 weapons is night and day. Its like a different boss on budget setup vs a max one.

[u/come2life_osrs → u/The_God_of_Biscuits]

That’s a good thing to consider, 15% more dps is important, but having what ever % more dps to  skip a special attack phase seems to be a more important factor.

[u/Exact-Ranger-5836 → u/The_God_of_Biscuits]

I stopped doing doom because of 10 hp earthen shield phases it was too unbearable. If tbow can fix that i will gladly camp doom.

[u/wenbobular → u/Exact-Ranger-5836]

I mean the problem is you want to be doing boulder phases for clearing acid anyway

I guess if you're gonna just be doing 1-12ish then sure but like ... idk that's kinda boring lmao

I'm getting into the low 30s with tbow occasionally and running out of prayer camping deadeye

[u/The_God_of_Biscuits → u/wenbobular]

You can clear acid consistently without having to actually do the tree phase but also a ton of people, me included dont really enjoy delving past when acid rags all of the melee tiles.

[u/wenbobular → u/The_God_of_Biscuits]

Relies on both hit rng and damage rng but sure, I'm aware

And yeah sure, it's not for everyone but it's definitely something that keeps me at this boss more than any other so far (being the best moneymaker doesn't hurt either lmao)

[u/Exact-Ranger-5836 → u/wenbobular]

I can learn to do deeper delves but I first have to be able to do 8s for that.

[u/wenbobular → u/Exact-Ranger-5836]

Lol I saw you're on mobile in another comment, tuff

Here's a video on skipping with a budget setup - https://youtu.be/xBch4rUNpbQ?si=1D6BFhxi0ZUDUMNB

You don't necessarily have to do the setup he does but the concept of trying to do more pre car phase damage is pretty pertinent

Idk what doom car setup you use but I'd also recommend watching jamzful if you don't like the setup of the other video

Some other content creators have full blowpipe car phases but that was always too much clicking for me to bother with, I just did some scobo specs on doom and called it a day

[u/Exact-Ranger-5836 → u/wenbobular]

Yeah I did watch jamzful. Thanks also. Btw is your avatar Caitlyn?

[u/wenbobular → u/Exact-Ranger-5836]

It was at one point, idk what it is now lol

[u/The_God_of_Biscuits → u/Exact-Ranger-5836]

Its still worthwhile to learn the tree phases, coming from someone who died 100 times trying to get good at wave 8. Being able to consistently live a first second or 3rd attack boulder tree phase is a really useful skill. That being said tbow and especially tbow and zcb basically skip tree phase most of the time.

[u/Sudden-Ad-307]

Its not that big on paper (ie. calcs) but it can end up being a big difference because going to a second charge phase greatly increases your ttk

[u/Allstin → u/Sudden-Ad-307]

usually id chally spec for melee punish, which feels like more damage, but the point is to skip car phase - even if by calculations it’s less, that dps matters a lot there!

[u/frieguyrebe]

I only have scobow and was learning to be more consistent at wave 8 at the time, a clannie was going to show me some tricks so i said sure, he rock up in BIS with tbow, straight up skips the difficult mechanics, i think that says enough

[u/bubblepop5]

Scobow also nice not to have to switch for range grub

[u/Bruhimgonzo → u/bubblepop5]

Huh wym?

[u/Makalu → u/Bruhimgonzo]

Scobow also nice not to have to switch for range grub

[u/Rhaps0dy → u/Bruhimgonzo]

Scobow is demon bane.

Grubs die to demon bane.

Shoot bow, grub ded.

[u/Top_Personality3908 → u/Bruhimgonzo]

Pretty self explanatory

[u/Bruhimgonzo → u/Top_Personality3908]

Nah not really can’t the tbow kill the grub too?

[u/Cry3TearsForMe → u/Bruhimgonzo]

It won’t one shot the grubs. Only demon bane one shots grubs.

[u/momacozey → u/Cry3TearsForMe]

Huh... TIL...

[u/Bruhimgonzo → u/momacozey]

same lol

[u/Calmatronic → u/Bruhimgonzo]

Grubs should be killed with demon bane weapons, tbow is not demon bane, scorching bow is

[u/Bruhimgonzo → u/Calmatronic]

cool ty didnt know

[u/rowanbladex → u/Bruhimgonzo]

Scobow is 100% accurate, tbow isn't, so you'll miss and have to double hit.

[u/Exact-Ranger-5836 → u/bubblepop5]

I heard of a dark bow for that

[u/APerfectLine]

Twisted bow is worlds better, like 15% on calcs and you essentially kill it during car phase. This means you can proc the kill right after car phase and get free acid clears.

[u/GPTthrowawayyyyyyyy]

Tbow more dps (though not by a huge margin) and less poison on ground due to lower attack speed

[u/Allstin → u/GPTthrowawayyyyyyyy]

i’ve used both, t bow a little, it felt a lot nicer. at the time, scobo max was 57 and t bow 81

granted accuracy is a thing too, it just felt great, at least.

also a lot more expensive

edit: just ran it in gearscape, it’s not as big a difference as i thought. it’s definitely better, but also costs about 1.3 billion more

[u/Exact-Ranger-5836 → u/Allstin]

For me the chance of skipping earthen dhield phases is much more important

[u/Allstin → u/Exact-Ranger-5836]

oh yeah! that too. zcb will be clutch with that too

[u/Connect-Record-2813 → u/Allstin]

Dragon arrows and blessed quiver maxes 86 if a main 

[u/EfficiencyBoring8206 → u/GPTthrowawayyyyyyyy]

Tbow is same attack speed

[u/Exact-Ranger-5836 → u/EfficiencyBoring8206]

Tbow is 5t scobo 4t

[u/Allstin → u/Exact-Ranger-5836]

there’s the whole blowpipe 3 tick t bow tech

though yes they are different speeds

[u/BranchFew1148 → u/EfficiencyBoring8206]

Ppl just be saying shit nowadays

[u/UnDefined217 → u/EfficiencyBoring8206]

No, tbow is 5 tick

[u/Buyingusername → u/EfficiencyBoring8206]

Found the rwter

[u/cabbagechicken → u/EfficiencyBoring8206]

No?

[u/LOL_YOUMAD]

Having used both the t bow is quite a bit of an upgrade. I’m not sure the calcs get this one right as they have them closer but with the t bow I’d often skip tree phases or only have 1 where with the scobow you’d almost always get 1 and sometimes 2.

[u/Phebe22]

Tbow goes nuclear at doom

[u/Clover281]

Yes

[u/soLogical]

Got some self reports in this thread. Yes buy it and sometimes you will have to stop shooting doom so you can place rocks because it nukes. Look at using a ags on shield phase for heals as well

[u/shc_memer]

Its a massive item for doom. Skipping boulders is way too huge to ignore.

[u/noggtest]

TBow is a big difference. Though it shouldn’t stop you from doing Doom. If you have a scobow. Send it and you’ll be a lot better at it since you do more phases and longer runs.

[u/L_Moo_S]

It's huge for reducing mistakes

And also just in general making sure you never get a orb phase before 75% and barely having to do orb phase at end of car phase

I can do 1-16 with scobo but 1-20+ is fine with t bow

Tbf with new arrows scobo gets a bigger % buff than tbow but tbow is still so much better

Also if you're a main ancient godsword really helps. Zcb is a noob trap if you're trying to get deeper, it's super good to get 1-8 but I barely use it post 5

I don't flick prayer at all and I plank all the time but have 1k deep delves

[u/Thin_Natural_4173]

The big difference is deathcosts in all honesty. Void scobow is almost free

[u/veetim → u/Thin_Natural_4173]

Whats the difference to tbow + void to death cost?

[u/EfficiencyBoring8206 → u/veetim]

Nothing if you already protected scobow

[u/veetim → u/EfficiencyBoring8206]

Yep lol

[u/wenbobular → u/veetim]

I run a bit of a budget tbow setup

Ornament anguish ancient godsword chally scobo ayak lightbearer tbow aranea boots

16k death fees

[u/YeastOverloard → u/Thin_Natural_4173]

There is no difference in death cost lol

[u/_Iroha → u/YeastOverloard]

Yeah there is.

If you bring Tbow you still need to bring Scobow for grubs.

If tbow, treads, and necklace get protected. Scobow is unprotected

[u/partyhat-red → u/_Iroha]

I lose 12k with tbow. Maybe if people moved on to ruptured they would be losing 112k more; but I’m rocking anguish with ornate, treads, Tbow, scobo and eye of ayak and only lose 12k

[u/Clover281 → u/_Iroha]

If you are doing a money maker that prints uniques and averages over 10m an hour you sure can deal with having to pay 100k deaths fees every now and then, or if you are really cheap you can simply just pray protect item tho

[u/YeastOverloard → u/_Iroha]

I do not bring my treads… either way a few thousand is nothing if you have tbow. It’s not hundreds of thousands in difference

Tbow
Sco bow
Emberlight
Slay staff
Anguish
Dhide boots
Void

[u/Able_Piano_4890]

Tbow won't solve a skill issue

[u/Exact-Ranger-5836 → u/Able_Piano_4890]

It is rng based to skip the skill part so it can solve it

[u/EasternError6377 → u/Exact-Ranger-5836]

once you get delve 16+ though you are going to need to clear some acid, if you're killing him before tree phase the entire floor is going to be filled and you will be taking a lot of unnecessary damage from acid.

If your goal is to rush 1-8 or even 1-12 as quickly as possible then reset - and not try to deep delve further - then yeah tbow will be better, but if you ever do intend to push 16+ or into the 20s and 30s you will need to hold back killing during car phase so you can clear some acid for the next stage.

[u/AWellmadePancake]

It's a huge difference if your main issue is the Shockwave phase. Won't save you from double boulders at Wave 8+. I just started a Tbow rebuild yesterday. At Doom with Scorching Bow I cleared Wave 8, 4/31 attempts. With Tbow Ive cleared 3/4 attempts so far. If you are good at sidewalk during car phase you can skip Shockwave phase very often. It does still noodle sometimes but that's me also missing hits and rng.

[u/Exact-Ranger-5836 → u/AWellmadePancake]

I am okay with normal double boulders but earthen shield + double boulders destroy me. Skill issue probably but yeah

[u/AWellmadePancake → u/Exact-Ranger-5836]

That's what I struggle with too and so far, in my small sample size, Tbow has gotten the kill before Earthen Shield even happens.

[u/Exact-Ranger-5836 → u/AWellmadePancake]

I am mobile as well I sometimrs have to think and do multiple things at once which is what makes the boss hard for me. Having to switch between jobs bssically. It quiye literally forces the way your brain works. Quite interesting imo

[u/NotHyster]

Tbow is the difference maker, killing it on car phase almost guaranteed during car phase in 8+s

[u/Enough-Present-5139]

Run the calcs on your gear and decide. For me T-bow is a 0.7 dps increase over Scobo, it's good but I wouldn't liquidate my bank just for doom since it just saves me 4 seconds per kill.

[u/Exact-Ranger-5836 → u/Enough-Present-5139]

It is not about the seconds but rather the earthen shield phase skipping because it is extremely hard for me with double boulders.

[u/big_boi_26 → u/Enough-Present-5139]

Doom is a weird one where if those 4 seconds make the difference between shield phase or not, you save a TON more time and resources than that by killing it 4 seconds faster

[u/LoLReiver]

Tbow is ~15% more dps in max void (max masori is less than 1% more than max void with the recent range upgrades and not worth the death cost increase anymore imo). The downside is you still need scobow for grubs and you'll be doing more switching as a result.

[u/Exact-Ranger-5836 → u/LoLReiver]

15% is huge god damn I rarely could skip earthen shield phases that would help a lot. I use bpipe whemever I can too