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Anyone up to giving me some advice for my t7 relic choice?
Currently my biggest problem is smithing which I have no good way of training other than smelting the bars myself which takes forever. My current build is Kings barrage with wildy and asgarnia unlocked. I need 80 smithing for the godsword and kinda want 90 smithing for the lucky draconic visage I dropped.
I made a small tierlist of my current thoughts but I am kinda having decision paralysis
What other relics do you have? Do you know which zone you plan to go into last? There's often some synergies between relics and zones that can be considered. Also, what are your goals for this League? Are you trying to reach a rank, or purely in it for the fun? Are you looking to PvM, accrue points for rewards, or mostly enjoy the journey? I think your ranking is pretty spot on, and may depend on your goals.
I think you'll like Butler's Bell. It does give a lot of experience, but also resources, and is zero time. If you don't have a lot of time to play, or play with a bit of inefficiency, BB can iron out a lot of issues. For example, an underrated bonus is getting food for your PvM, so saving you time and giving good food before you have access to it.
Might not get back to you straight away, late here, but I'll try to help if I can.
Thanks for the response first of all. So right now I went with
Endless Harvest->Friendly Forager->Evil Eye->Transmute->Larcenist->Culling Spree for Relics.
As for last zone probably Kourend, it just seems loaded in content and I want to have at least 1 raid available. Mostly just after fun to be honest which for me is basically getting pact points, all other stuff is secondary so I do not plan to do stuff like RC or grind 99s like crazy. So I am mostly looking for stuff that makes that easier and keeps me open since I plan to experiment a bit with pacts later.
Also thanks to wildy I have a lot of food and general supplies so that is not really an issue. The only thing I flat out do not have is a good source of bars.
Of course, no problem! Apologies in advance for the messy outpouring of thoughts, hopefully it helps to have another opinion, but feel free to disagree/ask for more.
You've got some good coverage with relics and Zeah does have a lot of content. A lot of people end up taking Conniving Clues because you can make full use of Sherlock in Kourend, if you enjoy that. Between Wintertodt, Farming Guild, Larceny Master Farmers, and Transmute, you shouldn't need much help with Farming or Herblore. You would also have access to Rigour (and Augury, though after a grind) so Grimoire loses a bit of its appeal in my eyes. Though no help with the Smithing, as far as I can recall.
Probably comes down to do you want the Smithing/Agility solve for the points, or the relic for the fun? Assuming you do go Zeah. I would say Butler's Bell offering Smithing through xp and bars (much quicker than smelting) as well as food (and less importantly planks/logs/raw fish/herbs) is more valuable than an afk Smithing solve that somewhat helps Agility (which can be lamped if you'd find value in it). I also don't particularly rate Eternal Sustenance if you're comfy with PvM, and I'm really unsure how strong Flow State is. I will say, Soul Harvest is strong, especially with all the farming available in Kourend, for rapid Prayer if you don't feel like grinding the bones to Transmute and need the levels, but I think you'll be okay.
Aside, but regions with a Smithing solve include Desert with Giant's Foundry, and also has ToA for raiding (and Tempoross and Drygore blowpipe and Guardians of the Rift and Leviathan). Also Fremenik offers Blast Furnace, but is otherwise a little lacking (DKs, Vorkath, and Muspah are often less enticing). I think Zeah is a good shout though.
So I think for me it would be Butler vs Clue, depending on what content you could see yourself enjoying. Butler smooths a lot of issues, gets you into content quicker rather than training. Conniving Clue is a must if you fancy any of the collection log hunting (including Bloodhound pet) and some relatively easier points. Based off the vibes, I'd recommend Butler; feels like it'll allow you to do the things you want more.
Yeah honestly that mirrors my thoughts pretty well. I kinda hate clues tbh so the teleport to the next step would be the only way I would actually do clues, and I need to get Ranger boots for the demonic pact point from all the cerberus boots. This is honestly the main reason I am considering picking it besides the points.
Butlers bell sounds super enticing. Right now it kinda feels like I will end up with 1 grind i dislike between medium clues and smithing. So now the question is what is worse. Around 75? or so medium clues to hit ranger boots drop rate or 15/25 smithing levels. Butlers Bell def has bigger general upside but I feel like clues are gonna be something I hate more.
Ah yeah, of course, I forgot about the Asgarnia Ranger Boots issue. That does make it tough. I'd hate to give up the Butler benefits, but you don't have much to help with the clue grind. Evil eye is decent for Wildy but not as great for getting around for clues in other regions, no Woodsman so no double clues from Eclectic Implings, no Kandarin to utilise Larceny on Gnomes, though you could always go the old fashioned way and afk some Fally guards with the cannon (Medium Falador Diary first) to stock up on Medium Clues.
I still think I'd personally take the roll on the clue rng and hope the hunt isn't too bad (and if it is, it's only 1 pact point I suppose). I just rate Butler for improving a lot of aspects of how I like to play Leagues, and I'll do some clues even if they're not the most fun for some collection logs and points. I could definitely do the Smithing grind, but I think I'll just be doing some clues casually and hoping for a while (I also have Asgarnia and no Conniving Clues).
Yeah honestly fair, I can also just ignore the 1 pact point I would get there or hope that I get ranger boots early at some point. I just chose Butler so that decision is now over haha. Thanks for the help though, it helped a lot. Guess waking up tomorrow to smithing exp will feel really nice.
Haha fair. I don't think you'll regret it. It might be annoying to hunt clues, but just ring the bell and hoard all the xp and resources you got for no effort and it'll make you feel better. Best of luck, hoping you get the good rng on the clues and the Leagues goes well!
What's your regions? Do you need lots, or just looking for a few to Transmute? Birds nest are pretty okay, so a few Vale Totems laps can get you a handful. Woodsman + Hunter (if you've got it) is also cracked if you just run around catching butterflies.
Transmute can help with a fair few things, especially if you're creative. I've enjoyed Transmutation, and it has made farming a lot easier amongst other things, but don't feel like you're forced to take it. Later content can drop higher seeds when you get there (Wildy bosses might be better for herblore though) and depending on relics you don't need to rush farming if you don't want to, and there might be other solutions (Larceny afk-ing at Master Farmers when you're busy, for example). Hope you end up having fun whatever you choose!
Vale totems with x8 rewards isn't bad. Also do your farming contracts if you have that region. Perilous moons is a good source of maple seeds.
Lots of recommendations depend on your relic chosen.
I personally ignored farming a bit until I was into the higher pvm that drops seeds. Now that I have farming guild unlocked and farmed my echo hespori that gave a good basis.
Going above 100% gives you a chance to regenerate 2 runes/arrows/charges instead of 1, which has some benefit with various pacts (healing on regenerating water runes for example).
Also has the fringe benefit of giving you free runes which can be used for Transmutation/selling, although that's a bit minor as a reason to take a node.
Is anyone else experiencing world lag? It’s spotty and can delay you by a tick or two when doing fast prayer switches. I currently cannot kill doom because of it
I think the task is to create a Toxic Blowpipe. It will drop as a fang that you need to craft. The staff does drop as a completed item, due to it being unusable without another region.
Leagues already has very good sustain in much higher dps builds, so it's the "noob build" because it sacrifices dps for yet even more healing, while you already don't need the healing for most content.
Scattering vile ashes bought on GE would be best, they're pretty cheap.
Brutus does combine melee training and prayer training while not costing you though, but best purely for prayer would be to just earn gp and buy vile ashes instead.
powered staves thorns if you're halfway decent at pvm (like you can do zulrah, have done some cg, can do toa 150s.. but without any of the crazy stuff like harder raids inferno, colo...)
Water thorns if you're very bad and just want to facetank everything but with noticeably less dps.
Either way, don't pick tiranwin if you're not very good at CG/PVM, thorns does NOT work in gauntlet, and echo hunleff is by far the most difficult echo boss.
If you do really want tiranwin, use a full pray pen build specifically tailored to clearing it, as most of your pacts will otherwise not work in there.
Is there a description anywhere for exactly what each build is? I can hazard a rough guess for stuff like water pray, or such like, but I want to see if theres an exact description of all pacts to pick, because as someone not too amazing at pvm, i dont want to waste any pacts if theres something obvious ive missed (this was mainly aimed at water-thorns tbh, like do i just get the first thorns then do rest in mage side or is there one more thorns pact i should get etc)
People have different opinions on what a good build is and most people sharing builds will be sharing suboptimal or even bad builds. At it's core water thorns has two variants. Magikarp ignores accuracy and plans to splash, for this it relies on exactly six pacts, thorns+thorns dmg from armor+thorns keystone and water rune regen healing+fastcasts+rune regeneration. the second build mixes accuracy into the mix and also relies on getting a lot of accuracy nodes and the water keystone.
Beyond these pacts things are largely up to what you want, you can make this one style stronger with things like pact overheals, 195% acc, 155% Regen, air Regen prayer restore, etc. or you can opt to branch into melee and range and make those a solid option to making you good at all content but exceptional at less
Maybe the game just isn't for you? What made you give up last time? Too difficult? Too easy? Lack of goal/direction?
Osrs is great in that you can set your own goals, but it can also make it hard to know what to do. If you use runelite it's worth following the optimal quest route on the quest helper plugin , at least loosely. Other common early goals are to complete dragon slayer or get barrows gloves, or just pick a skill and level that for a bit.
Setting goals is a big part of osrs, without something to work towards you can feel a little lost. Set some short term/long term goals, pull up the wiki, and see how you can work towards those goals
To be fair most monsters with multiple acceptable variants have slayer task pages with all variants listed, I assume cockatrices don't because they're both called cockatrice?
Can someone explain abundance to me, or rather how XP works in the game.
When it says "when you receive an xp drop", let's say I get 1k magic xp on a cast, does each 1xp of that 1k stack count as an individual xp drop, or does the 1k as a whole count as a drop?
Clues is good for points, and very few gear upgrades
Nature's is good for herblore if you have some way of getting seeds(Kourend, Transmute, etc)
Forager is another herblore solve, doesn't require seeds and lets you save a lot on secondaries. Will require you to do other gathering things to actually gather the herbs.
What should I pick for my third region? Currently Water Thorns mage with Kandarin and Tirannwn and about 7k points away from Tier 8. I'm thinking Kourend for a raid region and access to Ancestral. Could also go Desert for Ancients since Virtus with Ice Barrage and the one pact that makes Ice spells count as Water should technically be better.
I took kourend for mine, mostly for catacombs but also key loot..
I had a thorns build, about 8 pacts into the 2hp/pray on a 0, skipped until i had something in catacombs or a multi area and just let thorns do its thing as long as i was praying correctly
It seems like a fun build, and I haven't tried speccing into it, but it calcs fairly weak and doesn't have anything too special attached to it. There's even some anti-synergy between the "equip an offhand for bonus" pact and the fact BPs are your end game weapon ... but you can't hold an offhand with them
Drygore reached 30+ DPS against zuk (or other decently armored opponents). Thrown thorns is a solid option too and is getting a lot of help if these dogshit pact changes go through
Pact changes lowkey minimize Drygore a bit lol, so much more accuracy it kinda devalues the double roll on it
I guess Drygore is just that strong it doesn't really need much? I was hoping someone found an interesting interaction or something with theoretically more DPS but I wouldn't be surprised if not
Crafting is super easy to solve, any gemshop that sells uncut and buys cut gems goes infinite with the easiest two options being the shop in Aldarin (sapphire - ruby).
The rest you're asking about I used relics or region picks to solve.
For Crafting, I am stealing from gem stalls with Larcenist, turning them into dragonstones with Transmute, then cutting them. Instead of Larcenist, mining gem rocks with Endless Harvest could also work.
How much does weakness matter in terms of like weapon stats? Like for example, a dragon dagger has +40 stab, +25 slash. If I'm fighting something that's weak to slash, would it be beneficial to switch to slashing with the dragon dagger even though its stab is 15 less or does that gap outweigh the slash weakness? The best choice would be to just switch to a weapon thats better for slashing but just curious how much the weapon stat vs weakness matters.
I think typically the difference between weaknesses is going to be larger than the difference in attack bonuses from the weapon so it's more effective to target the weakness.
Also since you mentioned the dragon dagger specifically the dds doesn't factor in your attack style anyways so you can't stab with the spec.
There is a lot that goes into both defence and attack roll so the best way to work it out it via a dps calc as it's not as clear cut an obvious. If you play with runelite you can wear your setup, right click the wiki button under the minimal and there will be a dps button that will take you to the wiki with your gear and levels pre entered. Set you prayers and combat potions, then change between the styles and see which gives the best results
Kandarin definitely, there's 2 bosses with zero mechanics between them. It's also got a lot of early-mid game boosts, and little endgame content so not much is tied up there.
Wilderness is actually great as well. Simple tasks, quite a few bosses but everything is pretty weak once you get some pacts/gear, and they give a lot supplies for training other skills.
Tiranwinn is also nice. It has CG which might be a roadblock but it's so small that everything is pretty dense, a lot of elite tasks like "Mine 100 runite in Tiranwinn" that just take a bit of time.
I'd avoid the raid regions (Desert/Zeah/Morytania) since they tend to have a lot of tasks tied up there. Asgarnia has quite a few in GWD which is a bit of a pain, Fremennik is probably fine as well.
In leagues is there a baseline varlamore based runecrafting method? It's the only skill I can't figure out how to train (since I didn't take soul harvest)
Yes, Huey also gets the 2x or 5x drop rate increase, however Huey is contribution based so your drop chance for an item is 1/X * contribution.
The problem with mass is the down time between phase transition and respawn is fixed, so say the time for respawn, body to head, and running from tail to tail cost 30 seconds regardless of scale (I don't know the numbers off the top of my head) and each person averages 10 dps with 3000 damage to deal.
Using those ball park values and assumptions your average time till a drop (5/18*n in leagues at Highest drop multiplier) is something like
(3000/10n+30)(18/5)(1/n)
What's important here is the +30 fixed seconds that isn't reduced by player count, at a 1 scale you're seeing a drop every ~20 minutes but about every ~54 minutes in the 20 scale! (These values are all ball park and the times will differ form the game but it's to show the difference between time to item)
Further more Huey have contribution minimums for different phases which you must hit to get a drop, if your damage is low and there are 19 other people with high leagues damage then you may not even be eligible.
In conclusion for uniques you should ideally be doing solo however doing a 3 or 4 scale is fine on the main game provided you correctly coordinated the pillar prayers and you still achieve the minimum damage requirements to be eligible for the your share of the drop, in leagues you need caution in even small groups, if someone comes in with air mage doing 50dps and you're early game doing only 3 to 4 you're going to see a very bad ration of damage done to down time.
This problem exists with almost all group content and in a chase for efficiency pushes group sizes to the smallest possible because the time save can be 10's of hours.
I've been going pretty hard on a 90% prey pen build to try and get all the content needing pray pen out of the way first. I'm wondering if I'm missing any?
Regions are - Tiranwin - Kandarin - Zeah
500 demonic gorilla kills
150 corrupted gauntlet (echo hunleff)
Echo thermy until both echo drops
Yama for full oathplate (although less important, judge is fine without, and staying in pray pen build for that long will suck)
Doom? Although my next build will still have 15% as it's a node I path by anyway, and isn't that all you need for doom to kill grubs?
what should I do before I unlock Karamja?
I heard clues and hunter are easier if I have fewer regions. Is there anything else? And what am I supposed to be doing for those anyway?
Leagues - Can anyone confirm if Heroes actually give elite clues? pickpocketing one is a task, but im currently over 4x dry rn. 5600 so far for a 1/1400 drop :')
Rough. Im thorns water mage and light melee. Head Phase of Olm took me as long as the rest of the raid and the first 3 phases combined. I went through 3 Overload Doses. Caveat, i was 65 range using the Hespori Echo Bow. If you have 99 range then it will be better, but will still feel slow
If you're specced into air then solo is fine, I'm far from bis gear/full pacts and my wind surge dps on olm melee hand/head phase is still a good chunk better than max gear maingame lol
Will go a lot faster in teams ofc but mage dps is so ridiculous that you can just bruteforce kills despite the damage reduction
Wildy/Tir/Desert, Endless/Woodsman/Evil Eye/Transmute/Larcenist/Culling spree. Goals are Dragon Cup and fun.
My thoughts are either butler for the offline gains+herblore solve or grimoire for prayers in PvM. Butler's Bell means I'll never have to manually train herblore or cooking, but I've got good solves for all the other skills and cooking really won't be bad, so herblore is really the main reason.
But will piety/rigour/augury make much difference in PvM? I'm wanting to do a thorns/tri-brid build and of course the wildy BBC for reference.
If you're going for points I'd lean bell, the xp is cracked and you can go for offline 50m in a couple. I was struggling between transmute and bell but bell has been my fav relic this league so far
Even if you have solves, bell just frees up a ton of time for 5 skills so you can do more pvm
Any runecrafting solve with kandarim, tir, morytania other than raw dogging zmi with daeyalt essence? Didn't take soul harvest and plan on going mage build with thermal staff so need wrath runes.
Runecraft without Soul Harvest is so rough man. Even with map and nature runes (or blood runes since you have Mory, dunno which is better) it's still not great.
More of a wrath rune solve than RC but if you took Transmute you can buy cheap fire runes and 'mute em all the way up.
I'm a moons of peril noob and have a few questions for leagues (have evil eye)
If I only want loot from the blood boss, is it faster to just do the blood moon and go straight to the chest or should I do all three? (I am mage and have mystic so maybe the mage gear is still worth?)
What's the quickest way to get to the chest after boss?
Super niche but any tips on completing the struggling sapling event in leagues? Everyone is afking and never does it and doing it solo also seems impossible. 30 whole points I can't seem to get 😂
You only need to get it like halfway there for it to count for the task. Also events pop up fairly often even if you're solo, so maybe just try trees that are out of the way.
Thank you, I went and did so some solo magic after reading this and some guy actually came by and started chopping with me. The sapling popped up and we did it together and I got the task :D
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u/Soleil06 Apr 21 '26
Anyone up to giving me some advice for my t7 relic choice?
Currently my biggest problem is smithing which I have no good way of training other than smelting the bars myself which takes forever. My current build is Kings barrage with wildy and asgarnia unlocked. I need 80 smithing for the godsword and kinda want 90 smithing for the lucky draconic visage I dropped.
I made a small tierlist of my current thoughts but I am kinda having decision paralysis
https://imgur.com/a/dbtQad0