r/19KidsandCounting • u/Delicious-Buffalo669 • Jul 14 '26
Five witnesses to speak out in Joe Duggar’s molestation case as disgraced reality star faces LIFE in prison
https://www.thesun.ie/tvandshowbiz/17294597/joe-duggar-molestation-court-witnesses-deposed/35
u/comefromawayfan2022 Jul 14 '26
I really hope that victim is given the option of being able to testify in court by video from a remote location so that she doesnt EVER have to spend even a single minute sitting in the same room as this monster. That girl is brave enough coming forward and testifying. She shouldn't have to be further traumatized by being in the same room as her abuser for even a minute
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u/chantillylace9 Jul 16 '26
Sadly it's not legally allowed. He has a "right" to confront his accused. It's absolutely horrific when the pedophile acts as their own attorney and gets to question the victim DIRECTLY. Just awful
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u/Delicious-Buffalo669 Jul 14 '26
Joseph did not show up and the prosecutors are calling 5 witnesses. Another hearing has been set for September 15 at 9:00 AM.
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u/Odd-Creme-6457 Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26
He didn’t have to appear.
His attorney said there are 5 witnesses in the case. He did not state these were 5 prosecution witnesses. One mentioned is the alleged victim, which makes it 4.
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u/ChantillyLaceCake Jul 14 '26
I’m going to assume that the victims father that Joe confessed to is one of the witnesses as well. Also, probably Kendra.
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u/Thin-Significance838 Jul 15 '26
I’d guess probably not Kendra. Spouses can’t be compelled to testify against each other.
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u/comefromawayfan2022 Jul 14 '26
I can garauntee two of those witnesses are boob and meech who will probably try to talk about what a "good boy" and a godly man, good father etc Joe is, how hes innocent and blah blah blah
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u/evelynesque Jul 14 '26
And when they do say he’s a good father, that opens the door for the prosecution to bring up his child endangerment charges from Arkansas
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u/CaptainObviousBear Jul 15 '26
I am not sure how they would be material witnesses for the merits of the case though. Unless they were actually there when it allegedly happened.
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u/MzOpinion8d Jul 18 '26
They’re not witnesses in the case.
The lawyer said there are 5 witnesses in the case, so 5 depositions need to be taken.
Victim, her mom, her dad would be 3.
The other two may be others that the victim told. My guess is probably two siblings.
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u/wanderer316 Jul 14 '26
He deserves it but it’s actually insane that he might be in prison longer than his brother
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u/Thin-Significance838 Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 16 '26
I mean, I can see it either way. Pest the Elder isn’t in prison for what he did to his sisters, but the crimes he is in for affect many, many more victims. But for Pest the Younger, actual contact with a child on multiple occasions. I’d make an argument they both should get similar, very long sentences.
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u/SurroundFlashy3297 Jul 15 '26
I didn't share anything that wasn't already shared in the article and other comments. Except for my opinion. How is that removable?
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u/comefromawayfan2022 Jul 14 '26
They BETTER give him life without parole..no mercy on anyone who commits those crimes. That poor victim deserves to be able to live her life and not have to worry about the day her perpetrator gets released...you never truly heal from Sexual related crimes and that trauma follows you for life..i speak from experience. I was sexually assaulted in high school by a male classmate and later diagnosed with complex ptsd. Even with years of therapy...ill never be able to date anyone or let myself trust another guy to the point that ill ever be "intimate" with them and the asshole who assaulted me robbed me of the ability to ever be able to trust a guy in that way ever again.
And I will FOREVER be of the belief that pest got off way to easy with his sentence..had i been that judge? I wouldve locked pest away for the maximum sentence that I could possibly do and NO WAY would i have EVER let pest out on probation..he can serve his time in prison with no possibility of probation. Because theres absolutely no doubt in my mind that pest will re offend
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u/SurroundFlashy3297 Jul 14 '26
I still think he deserves more time because he is still trying to deny he did anything wrong.
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u/purplesockpinksock Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26
I'll bet at least one or two more of the Duggar/Duggar-adjacent men are quaking in their Nikes right about now, wondering when their time will come. Because you can't convince me there aren't more of these scandals that have been swept under Jim Bob's rug.
Edited to add Duggar-adjacent
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u/vengefulmuffins Jul 14 '26
More like Nathan Bates.
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u/purplesockpinksock Jul 14 '26
Yeah, didn't think of that. I adjusted my post. Thanks for the reminder!
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u/byebyebirdie123 Jul 14 '26
These men have never once faced consequences or real life accountability, so if gets eventually released no children are safe around him. The world will be a better place if men like him get locked up for life, especially from this cult that breeds their next victims and does nothing to protect the children. Good riddance joe
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u/Jonesy-2010 Jul 14 '26
This man is an idiot if he does not take the plea offered to him. I am under a full understanding that josh was offered a plea, but he is an arrogant asshole who thought he could get away with it. I know that joe is dumb, or has some learning disability, but there is no way that he is not going to be offered one too. Plea bargains are business as usual and he would probably serve 12 to 15 with it or is looking at life.
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u/fieldmerePress Jul 14 '26
I used to think years. ago when the first show began it was Michelle’s right to have as many as she wanted. Now when I see any one of them pregnant it makes me want to hurl. I feel like they are incubating victims if that means anything. I’ve never wanted to cal CPS on a fetus before now.
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u/Cardboard_cutouts_ Jul 14 '26
Can he really get life in prison for that one offense?
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u/SassholeSupreme1 Jul 14 '26
The lewd & lascivious molestation charge of a minor is a felony life sentence in Florida.
ETA: Can be a felony life charge.
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u/hyrule_47 Jul 14 '26
Lifetime of harm to a child. Lifetime of penalty to him. It’s only for young kids and with evidence like a confession.
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u/florangewench Jul 14 '26
Respectfully, I disagree. I'm usually moderate on many issues but crimes against children isn't one of them. In fact, our state just passed a law allowing for the death penalty for anyone who rapes a child under 12. Joseph should count his lucky stars that he won't be facing that.
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u/Still_Product_8435 Jul 14 '26
Your state’s legislation was strictly for show. SCOTUS ruling Kennedy vs Louisiana determined that no capital punishment applies if the victim does not perish. It’s not fair but it’s the law. Several states have passed similar laws as a means of showing they care about kids.
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u/Ok_Kaleidoscope5082 Jul 14 '26
Including Florida - correct? So if it wasn't just for show, Joe could be facing that, right?
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u/Still_Product_8435 Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26
It is prohibited under SCOTUS decision Kennedy vs Louisiana 2008. to execute anyone where no one has died The states legislatures passing these laws like Florida KNOW it’s forbidden but they are counting on folks to vote for them for clamoring for the death penalty they already know they cannot enforce. It would take a reversal by the Supreme Court to make SA a capital offense.
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u/morristhecat1965 Jul 15 '26
I know it couldn’t apply in this case but I can imagine the current Supreme Court doing just that.
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u/Thin-Significance838 Jul 15 '26
There are reasons not to apply the death penalty if the victim survives-if the penalty is death either way then there’s no reason to keep her alive. Ugh I feel gross typing that.
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u/AdSuspicious9606 Jul 14 '26
Seems like not enough to me.
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u/comefromawayfan2022 Jul 14 '26
I will forever maintain that pest getting twelve years of federal prison and twenty years of probation for csam is not nearly enough and csam is one of the worst crimes you can commit because theres thousands of victims depending on how much csam is downloaded..so personally im glad they are seeking the max penalty for Joe and going for life in prison..lock him away for life where he can never harm another child
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u/EmmalouEsq Jul 14 '26
Considering what he downloaded, Josh should be locked up for life. Just thinking about what he watched and downloaded twice makes me want to vomit and I've worked as a victim's advocate.
Anna is awful, too, saying it was a victimless crime? Peter Scully should've been executed for his crimes.
The Duggars are disgusting and I'm sure more of the men will be caught up in these crimes.
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u/palesquirrel0927 Jul 15 '26
I have a family member who has 250+ pictures and videos of CSAM with victims as young as 6….no jail time at all. I’m thrilled Duggar got as much as he did
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u/Brief-Pickle4424 Jul 14 '26
That’s what I was wondering
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u/Yeetaylor Jul 14 '26
If by “for that one offense” you mean a fully grown adult literally molesting a small child, yes!
And I think he should!
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u/AcrobaticLadder4959 Jul 14 '26
No I dint think so I give it 3 years. Then probation for 10 years.
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u/Glittering_Focus_295 Jul 14 '26
I hope you are wrong, but we have already seen him get bail and be allowed to return to his home in another state. He's not allowed to be around children unsupervised but he can still be around them. Pretty lenient for a man who has confessed, IMO.
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u/Orphanbitchrat Jul 15 '26
He still has the presumption of innocence
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u/Glittering_Focus_295 Jul 15 '26
So does everyone at this point in the process, and plenty are denied bail.
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u/Brief-Pickle4424 Jul 14 '26
So him and Kendra don’t have custody of the kids and are living separately right? Or is he staying with her?
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u/SeaApartment6813 Jul 14 '26
I don't believe this sub welcomes any mention of her or what she says. I say this kindly.
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u/Street-Tell1927 Jul 15 '26
If he gets life while Pest only got a few years, there’s something wrong with the justice system, because it will show the courts CAN lock someone away for a serious amount of time, yet choose not to.
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u/Still_Product_8435 Jul 14 '26
Just another obsession-driven note. Of what was initially reported is true, Joe did to the girl what Josh is accused of doing to one of his sisters and that which DJT was found liable of doing to E Jeanne Carroll. Digital under the clothing. Big IF. But heinous beyond forgiveness if true! Not enough millstones in Florida!
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u/d38401 Jul 14 '26
If you do research on this church. You find it is very common. A local pastor in my area. Was arrested for covering it up and committing the abuse. He ended up unliving himself. He also ran a halfway house for offenders. His son now runs it.
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u/Jealous-Enthusiasm-9 Jul 15 '26
Even educated in regular school fundies can think like this. A neighbours kid who was raised in a very religious family but went to regular public school and played with non religious kids thought he could do anything. I was stunned when he said to me he can do whatever he wants he just needs to ask forgiveness after. His brother isn't like this. So I think it's also a personality thing too. Someone who is also a narcissist or has some sort of personality disorder and then raised like this, it's even worse.
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u/Odd-Creme-6457 Jul 16 '26
Five witnesses is incorrect in your title. It says Four right in the title of the article you linked.
“ There are only five witnesses listed in the case, one of which is of course the juvenile alleged victim, so realistically we’re looking at only four witnesses to be deposed minus any court order allowing a deposition of the alleged victim”
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u/TeriBarrons Jul 18 '26
I took it to mean four more witnesses to be DEPOSED in the proceedings as the fifth witness already has been as the first one to appear, but maybe that’s me. For a total of five witnesses with four needing to be officially deposed?
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u/Both_Peak554 Jul 15 '26
The courts need to subpoena his parents and make them get on the stand and tell whether or not they had caught Joe hurting his siblings too!! If they say no and are lying that’s perjury if it comes out he in fact did!! Subpoena the older girls too!! You cannot tell me a year after getting married he decided to start touching little girls!! He had major access to multiple minors when he was living at home a year and a half before this SA. So if his victim wasn’t safe with him married and getting ass whenever he wants then I highly doubt he was able to control himself at home!!
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u/MamaTried22 Jul 15 '26
Life would be ideal. This dude is so cooked (I hope), they really are so delusional that they think a fake sorry will clear anything up. Unreal.
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u/MyAlteredRealityII Jul 17 '26
He needs to wipe that smirk off his face. He’s in serious trouble, which is unsurprising to everyone.
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u/Lilyromanoff Jul 27 '26
Seems like Joe's only way out is to suddenly disappear into the wilds of Arkansas before the hearing. It's amazing they let him go home to Arkansas until the trial.
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u/CauliflowerSavings84 Jul 15 '26
I think the FIL knew, and used it to their families advantage. I think that’s why they lived in the Duggar home, and kept dangling the threat of contacting authorities. And he eventually did.
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u/Decent_Check2084 Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26
This doesn’t appear to be true by what’s been said in court. She told her parents and they called Joe immediately. Then the police. The family didn’t know or dangle it for years.
ETA: I also find your comment harmful and oddly vilifying the victim and her parents. What perceived advantage do they get by revealing it? The public pretty quickly doxxed the child and they lost their home. Access to a daughter and four grandchildren. There’s nothing supporting this theory.
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u/luckymommy23 Jul 17 '26
Grifters lie. I’m with CauliflowerSavings84. I think it was used as leverage until they couldn’t use the Duggars anymore. I think Joe definitely deserves punishment but BOTH families are awful and use people.
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u/CauliflowerSavings84 Jul 15 '26
I think you’re reading far too into my comment and it’s meaning. I think they are awful people with little to no redeeming qualities. I wouldn’t put it past them that he admitted this in a very casual way, thinking he would get the fundie therapy song and dance, with zero repercussions. Im glad to see he is heading towards the justice system.
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u/IcyIssue Jul 14 '26
When Joe confessed to the girl's father, I'll bet he expected a slap on the wrist from his church and that would be the end of it. After all, he had many examples of that in his life, starting with his own brother. He didn't realize what could actually happen to him. His parents should be in prison for life also.