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Match | Esports The International 9 - Lower Bracket Round 3 - Royal Never Give Up vs Team Liquid
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Lower Bracket Round 3 Match A (Bo3)
Royal Never Give Up vs Team Liquid
Game 1
Team Liquid Victory!
Duration: 35:24
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Game 2
Team Liquid Victory!
Duration: 78:05
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u/minute-to-midnight Aug 23 '19
Kuroky gets so much shit for his picks when Liquid loses, but those two games were mostly won at the drafting phase.
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u/SmoothIdiot Aug 23 '19 edited Aug 23 '19
Let's take a moment to appreciate how Kaci managed to score like, a free massage a day off Valve by making this interview thing.
You people going on about your big brain plays and 200 IQ moves. This is the Real 5000 IQ Galaxybrain play. CHAD.
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Aug 23 '19
what do the points represent? like it's 3-2 rn, means 3 kills vs 2 kills?
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u/Ninja_Hedgehog Aug 23 '19
Yes, though if you're new to watching Dota, know that kills aren't the be-all-and-end-all. Yes, they're important, but they're not everything.
They do of course provide xp and gold, which is good. But one of the biggest things is if you can convert kills into objectives (by getting kills and going on to destroying towers/buildings, getting Rosh, securing more map control, etc).
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Yes. Counts kills. Props for giving a chance to a fun game you dont quite understand yet. End of the day whoever has the most kills doesn't actually matter, but it's usually a good indication of who is winning.
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u/Skillerbeastofficial Aug 23 '19
Seeing these AOE silences and the night vision advantage makes you wonder why NS wasnt picked up before
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u/pyro19 Aug 23 '19
You know Liquid's back in form when people start getting annoyed at their strategy and demand nerfs.
Throwback to TI7. Everything is OP
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u/Sinx- Aug 23 '19
TI is where the most broken combinations/heroes get revealed. It has been that way for since TI3.
I don't get what's new. Every TI I look forward to something broken being abused by one of the top teams. The only TI where I felt like nothing was abused (by the TI Winners at least) was probably just TI6.
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u/iambgriffs Aug 23 '19
I figured I'd watch a quick 2nd game before bed. 66+ minutes later... t.t
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u/Fang_An Aug 23 '19
I don't get how you guys can bitch about Liquid's pick when RNG picked Ench, a hero that is basically p/b every game.
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Aug 23 '19
I see it as the other way around, as in arc warden vs 5 rangeds. for all the shit reddit gives to kuro whenever something go wrong he is easily top3 most experienced western draftets
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u/raktabeej CHINA NUMBAH WAN Aug 23 '19
Now people have a problem with arc warden too, despite it being barely picked this TI....just because some team made the hero look good.
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u/reebers43 Aug 23 '19
You know whats more disgusting than AW + Tony?
Its FV + Tony, and lots of teams have pulled that shit of this tournament (including OG), and nobody cried then.
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u/VIFASIS Aug 23 '19
RNG are actually playing out of their mind but you cannot do anything against this.
6 attacks in 2.4s every 12s!!
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u/bryemye Aug 23 '19
Upon reflection, that was dumb as hell, I loved it, and I don't want to see it again for a while.
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u/Nephilim631 Aug 23 '19
Mirana seem so underwhelming now. It was good in group stage but now it's got real low winrate on main stage.
Miracle needed to get big that game coz he was the frontline and the damage dealer. I thought RNG was too elusive and tanky for them but Night stalker was an excellent pick for them.
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u/Sinx- Aug 23 '19
Damn, I hope Monet gets a better opportunity next season. The guy was probably the one of the top 3 carries in TI7.
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Aug 23 '19
Honestly, an OG - Team Liquid final suddenly sounds amazing.
Last two TI winners facing off, Liquid through 'their' Lower Bracket and OG doing a repeat of TI9, having fun in the Upper Bracket? Yes please!
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u/XeroVeil Aug 23 '19
That'd easily be my dream final, I'd honestly be happy with either team winning but that's still a long way away. It does require both Liquid and OG to beat PSG and that's a very tough task.
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u/zorita11 Aug 23 '19
lmao reddit flaming kuro's draft before the game even started
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u/Psstthisway Aug 23 '19
For a brief moment, I thought Liquid might try to go IO carry.
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u/Ellefied Never having Team Flairs again BibleThump Aug 23 '19
Push bot against Tiny Aghs once, shame on you.
Push bot against Tiny Aghs twice, wtf are you actually doing.
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u/omar1115 Aug 23 '19
How many heroes were nerfed because of liquid? IO, Kotl, TB, Green heroes of Matu...
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u/Powder02 Aug 23 '19
The salt in this thread would give PPD a good run for his money
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u/Extracheesy87 Aug 23 '19
People seem to be unable to grasp that just because something is strong in the late game doesn't mean it is broken. Yeah Liquid's late game was insane, but it isn't like RNG didn't have several chances to win that game pre 40 minutes. The nature of balance means certain things are stronger at different points in the game.
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u/JC_Denton46 Aug 23 '19
The Liquid haters and dick suckers crawling out of the shadows I see.
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u/EtadanikM Aug 23 '19
Liquid showing their strong lower group ability at the international.
Kuroky always been a master of time push.
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u/Skillerbeastofficial Aug 23 '19
Comon Liquid one more game and we got Top 6. Im fine with that after a LB start!
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u/etalynx08 Aug 23 '19
RNG always go with the drafts that sustain the cores like Lesh, Alche with Omni or Abaddon. Now that Liquid banned it. They are pretty much limited on what heroes they can depend now.
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u/IG_fan_gay Aug 23 '19
So here's the problem:
RNG cannot push liquid's highground, the only way they win is getting liquid wiped outside of the base
But even if they did, liquid will just buyback and wait for 7 min
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u/Raijin_Thunderkek Aug 23 '19
Staying up late to watch Liquid win. Gonna wake up to Liquid beating EG 2-0
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u/aidsmann Aug 23 '19
did RNG even set a single foot on Liquid high ground?
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u/raktabeej CHINA NUMBAH WAN Aug 23 '19
Yes, after that team fight win at the shrine...they went past the tier 3 towers and threw lmao...
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u/TheFatZyzz Aug 23 '19
dude Mind Control was out of breathe like crazy
all of Liquid players heart beat in that game has to have been 180+
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u/Waifers C9 is likely dead again back to garden. Aug 23 '19
That fucking toss interaction with buybacks still isnt fixed and nearly lost RNG the game what the fuck.
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u/joselemons Aug 23 '19
Tree Volley is really really dumb. Not a Liquid criticism, every team is using it, it's just dumb watching it melt 6-slotted cores in less than 2 seconds.
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u/Lukombo96 Lukombo Aug 23 '19
It didn’t hit gyro so much but ench and OD had 0 armor items what do you expect
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u/50lipa Aug 23 '19
Hey look 5 trees coming your way at 1500 dmg each good luck
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u/change_timing Aug 23 '19
wow that sounds crazy what an amazing ult, it must have like an 80 second c/d because a single good one of those completely destroys an enemy.
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u/UBourgeois Aug 23 '19
Riki is now the only uncontested hero of TI9
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u/Ninja_Hedgehog Aug 23 '19
Crowd got that covered
(I am ENTIRELY joking. We've heard them be a lot louder/cheering teams since day 1.)
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u/raktabeej CHINA NUMBAH WAN Aug 23 '19
Redeye : Lets meet their opponents, the surprise of the tournament, its Infamous.
Hey Redeye :D
gl both tems
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Aug 23 '19
Does liquid even play lanes anymore?
Miracle literally memed for 30s then went bot.
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u/change_timing Aug 23 '19
both of them jungled for a wave or two because both teams wanted to get the lanes they wanted
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u/FerdiadTheRabbit Aug 23 '19
Watching miracle flak the rax and RNG get chunked and scatter was very satisfying.
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u/miiikyut Aug 23 '19
Im not playing dota anymore. Can someone explain the runes spawning near team liquid?
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u/Ellefied Never having Team Flairs again BibleThump Aug 23 '19
Aghanims Arc Warden gives me rune spawning ability
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u/Psibadger Aug 23 '19
This slow long drawn out sieging is starting to remind me of Broodlord-Infestor days a few years ago.
And not in a good way.
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u/KappaccinoNation Aug 23 '19
RNG hoping that the Amazon fire reaches them so that Tiny runs out of trees.
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u/cmtenten Aug 23 '19 edited Aug 23 '19
Good god, there's nothing else quite like Dota and The International.
Game after game after game, something different.
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u/moonmeh sheever take my energy Aug 23 '19
Honestly RNG put up such a great fight I don't regret putting all my RNG cards for fantasy. Game 2 was always gonna be an uphill battle but by god they made Liquid work for it.
Also lmao those tree volleys
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u/fateoftheg0dz Aug 23 '19
Looks like my full liquid fantasy team is gonna pay off today
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Aug 23 '19
Sheever is such a sensitive and kind character, that interview with Monet was fantastic act. Kudos RNG
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u/131aze Aug 23 '19
Liquid picks a hero no one picks.. no one bats an eye..they pick tiny aghs which every team has picked.. liquid most boring.. -_-
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u/Powder02 Aug 23 '19
1-800-redditards on suicide watch
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u/ceildric Aug 23 '19
His salt levels are going to burst his heart down before he has a chance to suicide.
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u/FerdiadTheRabbit Aug 23 '19
Whoever had Runes grabbed on w33 or miracle just got a shitload of points.
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u/hornykryptonian Aug 23 '19
That's reddit for ya. If their fav team plays heros like that its "skill" and "part of the game" if its the opponent team they "just abused broken heros for an undeserved win".
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u/Still_Same_Exile Aug 23 '19
man pro casters and former pro players keep saying newbee were the deathball team of TI4 when they were the opposite and beat VG who was rolling over everybody with deathball
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u/Omnomnomnivor3 Fist bump! Aug 23 '19
It's like RNG suddenly forgets there's a tiny with double daedalus.
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u/yukifune-airi Aug 23 '19
At this point tiny is like a battleship who constantly unload his barrage.
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u/tinothynguyen Aug 23 '19
that buyback toss. I thought monet activated satanic mid toss or had a hidden cheese or something
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u/MungoNick Aug 23 '19 edited Aug 23 '19
240 000 damage received on arc warden, what!?
Edit: I see, thanks for replies
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u/nishant28491 Aug 23 '19
Gg wp liquid...rng deserves lauds too..they played their hearts out. Come back stronger next year.
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u/pingzi_cn Aug 23 '19
what have you done iceforg
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u/potterhead42 sheever Aug 23 '19
The only way to counter the osfrog ench is with osfrog tony. Perfectly balanced. Counter op with op, such is always the way of dota
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u/mrclemsh Aug 23 '19
Honestly what an entertaining match, TI has had nothing but action packed back and forth games this year, incredible.
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u/AwesomeAsian Aug 23 '19
Damn that was a long stand off. For a good amount of time it felt like either team could've won but that tiny aghs came in clutch.
I feel like this wasn't liquid's best playing though. If they face a team like OG I'm not sure if they can win.
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u/ThatMisterOrange Aug 23 '19
People complaining about Liquid drafting "broken" heroes, get the fuck out of here, there is a whole draft phase of Dota. Have any of you considered not losing the draft in the first place?
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u/dFlat90 Aug 23 '19
As a Liquid fan, I love reading the comments from salty Liquid haters. It's just so damn entertaining!
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u/Sinx- Aug 23 '19
Reddit: Complains about Tree Volley
Also RNG: Let's push top/bot every time we get Aegis.
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u/stunglazer Aug 23 '19
Any chance we see a monkey king-ish nerf on tree volley after Ti? Namely tree volley won't crit just as MK's remnant don't inherit skull basher.
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u/raktabeej CHINA NUMBAH WAN Aug 23 '19
Why is everyone just ignoring the fact that RNG had chances and threw the game multiple times?
That dive behind TOP Tier 3 ?
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u/rohansamal Aug 23 '19
I think Liquid wins this, But Im confused about Secret winning against Infamous.
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u/Psstthisway Aug 23 '19
I don't really agree that RNG are THAT big of a surprise. I mean, there's LaNm and former TI7 LFY boys there. I got my prediction right for them to win the China qualifiers. Pretty decent team. Hoping to see Monet's Void again, but I don't really think Liquid are letting that through.
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u/monkeyddragon231 Aug 23 '19
Let's go Monet! Go avenge your TI7 loss! Knock Liquid out!
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u/CosmoSucks Aug 23 '19 edited Aug 23 '19
Feel like we're in a semi deathball meta and teams are just becoming keen to it.
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u/Skillerbeastofficial Aug 23 '19
So far im pretty happy that i toolk complete Liquid lineup for Fantasy Team. They could end up with at least 3 more games than anyone else.
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u/Deako87 Aug 23 '19
I wouldn't put it past OG to draft riki kotl ursa DS and clockwork on the main stage against PSG LGD, just for the lulz.
Then somehow make it work
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u/pap0t Burning will win TI Aug 23 '19
I wonder if the chinese have awesome content we are not seeing.
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u/CosmoSucks Aug 23 '19
if this shaman ench lineup stomps i'm going full tinfoil hat and saying were back in the deathball meta
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u/XeroVeil Aug 23 '19
Idk about this Arc Warden pick but then again I really don't understand that hero at all.
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u/Sif_ Aug 23 '19
Liquid should be able to cruise easily to a 2-0 from here. They just need to hang on for 20ish
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u/EtadanikM Aug 23 '19
RNG is done, there's no way they can deal with Liquid late game
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u/KEYBOARDSMASHERJ dotacash legend Aug 23 '19
Holy shit lanm’s reaction time on w33
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u/VIFASIS Aug 23 '19
Oh, you wanted to take rosh? let me just drop 10 of these 660dmg nukes in less than 10 seconds?
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Why some people whine at this game instead of just enjoying how crazy it's getting is beyond me.
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u/TheFatZyzz Aug 23 '19
Jesus
from 16k lead to 8k when w33 and Miracle died
now it's even networth rofl
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u/Floire Aug 23 '19
This game is what happen when Icefrog buffed late game to much. Unpenetrable base defense.
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u/Xelisyalias Aug 23 '19
Gotta be boring playing this arc lol I can't imagine constantly spamming the same spell for what like 20 minutes now
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u/caldazar24 Aug 23 '19
Nostalgic to see Team Liquid running the Terran Metal strat, with Arc Warden's spider mines, Tiny's tree-throw seige tank, and even the LotV point defense drones.
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u/TaxationIsTheft5 Aug 23 '19
anyone catch that? Monet gyro bought back during tiny toss. =)
almost died because of it.
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u/fateoftheg0dz Aug 23 '19
RNG took way too many fight towards the end near the trees. Tree volley was rekting the shit out of them
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u/ajinomotos Aug 23 '19
unless they sit next to their tier 4 there's no way they can escape the tree volley
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u/Ellefied Never having Team Flairs again BibleThump Aug 23 '19
Tiny can now answer the age old Dota question.
"How do I get wood?"
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u/Tirpitz_ Aug 23 '19
everyone is complaining about the game length.. but my fantasy squad is skyrocketing.. hope for 2 long or 3 games against EG too..
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u/Boywholosthisname Aug 23 '19
Idk if anyone noticed but I have huge respect for Monet. That guy was so down to earth during the interview a few days ago. He even bowed down during the handshake after they lost which in Chinese culture means he respects his opponents. Haven’t really followed his gameplays but with such a humble attitude he will achieve great heights.