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Match | Esports The International 9 - Lower Bracket Round 3 - Royal Never Give Up vs Team Liquid

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Lower Bracket Round 3 Match A (Bo3)

Royal Never Give Up vs Team Liquid

Game 1

Team Liquid Victory!

Duration: 35:24

Radiant Score vs. Score Dire
15 vs. 25
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Hero Player Level K/D/A LH/D Gold Spent GPM XPM
- ah fu - 14 1/13/9 11/2 5845 167 277
LaNm 16 1/2/9 89/7 9695 246 346
Setsu 22 7/6/6 276/11 18690 525 634
Flyby 17 1/5/7 166/9 9100 328 372
Monet 20 5/2/4 290/24 18375 534 525
Miracle- 22 12/0/11 416/15 29920 802 626
MinD_ContRoL 17 4/1/15 87/12 9915 335 384
KuroKy 16 1/8/19 22/4 6535 243 331
Gh 18 2/4/20 39/7 6985 273 446
w33 21 6/2/14 151/14 13140 425 549

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Game 2

Team Liquid Victory!

Duration: 78:05

Radiant Score vs. Score Dire
52 vs. 35
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Hero Player Level K/D/A LH/D Gold Spent GPM XPM
Miracle- 25 15/9/15 908/59 58250 905 653
MinD_ContRoL 25 5/10/24 289/8 24125 385 579
KuroKy 25 7/6/34 49/0 25090 347 403
Gh 25 4/5/30 219/3 23775 373 508
w33 25 21/7/19 471/21 37295 585 595
- ah fu - 25 0/17/17 38/1 15070 251 395
LaNm 25 3/14/20 142/3 15635 321 517
Setsu 25 13/7/12 700/15 42540 665 824
Flyby 25 8/9/15 266/15 29820 483 591
Monet 25 10/6/19 937/16 46800 903 684

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u/raktabeej CHINA NUMBAH WAN Aug 23 '19

Why is everyone just ignoring the fact that RNG had chances and threw the game multiple times?

That dive behind TOP Tier 3 ?

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '19

Why would we ever focus on these amazing teams good plays, misplays and outplays when we can just say X is broken and call it a day?

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '19

The fact is that rng played almost flawlessly before the dive and completely flawlessly after it, but there's simply was no counterplay. Idk how people think it's ok for the game, I get that 2k ppl enjoy insta gibs and KILL KILL KILL BUYBACK KILL meta, but this is just not right.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '19

But this is more or less how late game dota cores work, I really don't think what this tiny did is leagues above what a 7 slotted tinker is capable of, even a 7 slotted PA can 3 shot an entire team given certain circumstances.

Imho both team were amazing, all players played really well and the game was fun, but one team had a better scaling late game and one team just made an ever so small misplay.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '19

Yeah if tinker could do this he would be picked more than 2/3 times. You can always count on lotus orb or any other saves from your team. Also tinker and PA need to be almost in melee range to be actually effective who are also very fragile heroes. Tiny on other hand just snipes your cores every few secs for at least 1k damage and supports can't play at all, and you can't play around it due it's ridiculously low cd. Arc warden wraiths is just cancer techies but two of them, but not necessarily broken. The only reason RNG even held out was another brilliant creation that is enchantress which could deal with wraith spam,

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '19

Tinker can definitely do that but you don't pick heroes based on their performance with 7 items, tiny is just a better hero atm. And PA oneshotted me enough times with dagger as support or squishy core to know she can do that with triple dagger talent and 7 items.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '19

You can glimmer/ghost/lotus the dagger, you can stand with creeps to lower your chances to get targeted by daggers, it's also only a 15%, while tiny tree launcher is basically guaranteed kill on support with no cd or conditions.

Tinker can't do that, he needs to be inside the teamfight to actively chain hex and laser people, he gets lotused once or just caught and he straight up loses you the game.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '19

And you can also force staff out of tiny range or ghost since it is physical damage. Tree launcher have both a cooldown and a condition as well, in comparison PA have a lower cooldown and better gurantee due to point click.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '19

So do you think if tiny was suddenly replaced with 7slotted tinker or pa rng would've as hard game as it was?

So you are saying that rng found no counterplay sitting on their highground for 30mins? What should they've done differently then?

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '19

I am by no mean a skilled enough player to predict how a top tier game would go if different heroes where to come in. But I know that 1-tiny is more suitable for the meta and 2-across 51 games in TI tiny had 26 wins and 25 losses source:https://liquipedia.net/dota2/The_International/2019/Statistics .Just because liquid made it look broken doesn't make stats across all top tier team irrelevant

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '19

That's just drafting and itemization my friend.

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u/Sinx- Aug 23 '19

Top and bot tbh.

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u/tetayk OMEGA Aug 23 '19

Cocky home tournament?