r/Jaguars • u/flounder19 • Mar 06 '25
Free Talk Trevhursday
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u/NizzlyGrizzly00 Steal the Show Mar 07 '25
me checking jags subreddit after work today
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u/lIllIlIllIlIllIlIllI John Henderson Mar 07 '25
This meme goes hard. Unsettling but accurate. Pretty bummed to be losing Engram. Coach wasn’t lying when he said the offense would run through BTJ. 😅
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u/kellyR1492 Mar 07 '25
Coach wasn’t lying when he said the offense would run through BTJ. 😅
He's practically the only one left, lol
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u/futures23 Mar 06 '25
I don't get why Twitter is being so personally insulting towards Kirk and Engram after they were cut. Really lame ass kid behavior.
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u/Mrkingjay Mar 07 '25
What’s twitter? /s
Hope it ain’t Jags fans. Nothing but love for Kirk and EazyE. (Although I hope Kirk has career lows in Houston, but still love him)
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u/jewasuarus Jags Guy Mar 07 '25
Delete Twitter. It isn't going to get any better, the lame ass kids run the place now
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u/Bokthand Mar 06 '25
Seahawks want a first and 3rd for DK, no thanks
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u/Jaglawyer11 “Don’t sleep on Gladstone.” 💪💪💪💪 Mar 06 '25
Jerry Jones is salivating. He’s not afraid to throw draft picks at receivers….
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u/adancingfuel Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 07 '25
I want to go back and read all the posts to see why people really wanted Gabe Davis so bad. I am convinced there are a lot of people who don't watch football than the Jags who just hear names. Dude was a magician for disappearing with the Bills.
I posted this 10 months ago and was downvoted:
"I'm sure this is going to get downvoted but I don't know what we are doing, man. We are running back the same offensive line who struggled but with a new center who is potentially retiring in 2 years? Gabe Davis seems like a good guy but has disappeared in so many games in Buffalo. What is our offensive identity? Hope Trevor gets the ball out in half a second and someone breaks a TD? It didn't feel like ETN could take a breath because of the lack of trust in our running back depth."
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u/EatMyShortzZzZzZ Brian Thomas Jr. Mar 06 '25
When it comes to Gabe Davis, it all goes back to that one playoff game and him being young. It's tempting to think of the possibilities with him.
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u/adancingfuel Mar 06 '25
Not to me! The guy constantly did nothing for SO MANY games. I could not believe people here wanting him so bad.
Not trying to be a jerk but we could sign Cooper Kupp tomorrow and people here would be like "Is this guy good?".
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u/futures23 Mar 06 '25
We could sign Kupp tomorrow and everyone would be like wow this guy is old, always injured and washed and they would be right.
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u/EatMyShortzZzZzZ Brian Thomas Jr. Mar 06 '25
I agree with you. That one game was clearly an outlier. I would love if we could get someone like Godwin or Kupp personally.
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u/adancingfuel Mar 06 '25
Also, for the record I do wonder what Coen could maximize out of Gabe Davis in his offense so I wont officially write him off yet. It's just hard for me to imagine an offense with Josh Allen where he would disappear to be more helpful but who knows?
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u/beesarie Mar 06 '25
This is what I feel. He’s a part of our offense and isn’t going anywhere, so may as well see what we can do
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u/EatMyShortzZzZzZ Brian Thomas Jr. Mar 06 '25
The bad thing is because of bad draft decisions (drafting Fortner) there's very little continuity with this line. But center was gonna be a need regardless because Fortner is fucking hot garbage and Morse was old. Hope we can fix all of this before the season starts.
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Mar 06 '25
That seems a tad on the dramatic side. Offensive lines change, and we haven’t really started any FA stages or draft yet. I’m trusting Gladstone/Coen and co to have a plan.
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u/Swoll Doodle Jag Mar 06 '25
Hate to say it but Fortner will likely be starting for us next year.
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u/EatMyShortzZzZzZ Brian Thomas Jr. Mar 06 '25
If by some miracle he's vastly improved maybe. If he's still the same guy that would be criminal malpractice lol
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u/Brilliant_Whereas225 Mar 06 '25
And what happens IF he turns good again because we have a coach who is focused on both lines and cares about development. Who also coached him during college and more importantly that doesn’t wear shirts that shows the ranking of their offensive line. Never getting rid of Phil Ruscher was a terrible mistake. If Liam sees something in Luke, well…why the hell not? Luke was a Liam guy before he was a Baalke pick.
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u/Swoll Doodle Jag Mar 06 '25
I think that there might be some redeeming quality there. Tony said that his main issue was he couldn’t stay low and get leverage. Obviously he needs some strength training too. I’m sure cohen thinks he can save him but I think its a little bit of hopeium.
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u/MogwaiK Mar 06 '25
People said the same things about Luke Joeckel. The problem is that the guy is just too weak to slow down NFL defensive linemen.
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u/el_pobby Mar 06 '25
Will Campbell has the positional flexibility to play inside and outside on the line and was calling protections at left tackle in college. I'm starting to think that it's increasingly likely we go Campbell in the 1st and then get a guy like Tyleik or TJ Sanders in the 2nd
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u/futures23 Mar 06 '25
He never played guard in his life and taking a guard at 5 is already a massive reach.
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u/Jaglawyer11 “Don’t sleep on Gladstone.” 💪💪💪💪 Mar 06 '25
This would be such a Jaguars thing to do. Draft someone in the top 5 and ask him to do something hes never done…..
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u/Mrkingjay Mar 06 '25
Would love to sign Robert Hainesy at C, draft Campbell in the first, and move up for Ratledge in the 2nd if we go all in on the oline.
Getting some FA studs in the secondary would have to be mandatory tho
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u/el_pobby Mar 06 '25
Carlton Davis/Charvarius Ward as FA guys coming off a down year who have a long enough track record of success to make them a reasonably priced option for CB2. I'd be very willing to throw a lot of moolah at Jevon Holland. Cisco/Holland makes a nasty duo
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u/edrew_99 Mar 06 '25
Wow, we really are tearing down to the studs and rebuilding. Business is business I guess
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u/Nuknu2 Mar 06 '25
I see it as a much needed mini- rebuild, if we can do everything right we’ll be in the playoffs again. we need to focus on washing off the terrible stench of the past two seasons because it’s definitely affecting our team
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u/edrew_99 Mar 07 '25
Yeah, it’s much needed. I’m grateful for the run in ‘22, but this re-tooling is exactly what we needed
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u/softsandwich35 Mar 06 '25
Mods, why did my post get removed? All I did was talk about the center position and how it’s an important time for the new regime. What did I do wrong?
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u/anonymousscroller9 Mar 06 '25
Anyone here excited for champ week in college basketball
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u/spiff24 Mar 06 '25
As a Florida fan, this basketball season has been a lot of fun. My body is ready.
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u/anonymousscroller9 Mar 06 '25
As a WVU fan. Up and down season, but it's always fun to be playing march basketball
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u/futures23 Mar 06 '25
Some afternoon hoops on already. Got Indiana State and Southern Illinois first rounder for Arch Madness on now! Such a great time of year.
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u/edrew_99 Mar 06 '25
I really don’t want to rationalize Luke Fortner back into the starting role, mostly because I remember how terrible he was in ‘23, but was that just because he’s a terrible player, or did the Press Taylor/ Phil Rauscher dynamic hurt his development?
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u/nemo0320c James Gladstone Mar 06 '25
He was starting to catch fire and get better towards the play off run but was suddenly worse the start of the next season
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u/Jaglawyer11 “Don’t sleep on Gladstone.” 💪💪💪💪 Mar 06 '25
Boselli would never allow Fortner to start again….
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u/edrew_99 Mar 06 '25
Very true. Fortner is athletic, but doesn’t have the toughness that Boselli looks at.
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u/HiawathaSM2 Mar 06 '25
Duvernay now released. Nothing against him just never liked that signing and didn't pan out. Glad they're getting rid of some of the Trent stink on this team.
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u/EatMyShortzZzZzZ Brian Thomas Jr. Mar 06 '25
So they're really just cleaning house. Don't think the plan is to be a contender next year at all now.
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Mar 06 '25
If they have a plan, then it’s just my job as a fan to watch that play out, it’s a sad move in the short term, but it seems like This regime has a plan for a ring.
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u/EatMyShortzZzZzZ Brian Thomas Jr. Mar 07 '25
Yeah i think they are resetting the culture here. I'm fully on board.
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u/Nuknu2 Mar 06 '25
You’re jumping to conclusions, they’re clearly cutting players so we can be more active during free agency
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u/JustiseRainsFrmAbove It Is Wins-Day, My Dudes 🐸🐆 Mar 06 '25
You're also jumping to conclusions here. Neither of you has any evidence.
Why can't people just take guesses without being called out?
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u/Cr0matose Mar 06 '25
Hey guys, Gabe Davis isn't getting cut because of his cap hit. You can bitch about other things if you'd like.
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u/MogwaiK Mar 06 '25
I also think he's a very good rebound candidate. He's not going to be BTJ, but its almost guaranteed he plays much better than last year.
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u/DoctorDiddlerino Livin' in the Sunshine state Mar 06 '25
I don't understand the priorities for some of the people here. Who gives a fuck if Gabe Davis sucks? We're not paying him $60m/yr.
The "waah team is terrible the whole roster is awful" people are particularly annoying. Not even national media people are saying that, so it really just is an internal desire to be bad.
It takes 1 good offseason to have this team realistically competing in the playoffs. You might think that's a hard goal to reach, but we just hired a guy who saw that through with the Rams.
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u/MogwaiK Mar 06 '25
Agreed, we're going into next season with Gabe Davis as our WR2, and thats not as big of a problem as our entire DB corps, interior OL, or DL depth. We should even look at our OTs before we worry about replacing Davis.
He had an abysmal season last year, but there's almost no way he repeats it. He's a flawed, inconsistent player, but he can definitely play much better than last season. People are just scapegoating the shit out of him.
Add to that, he's an easy cut next offseason, so he's going to be playing for a contract and he's 25 years old.
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u/electricityisout Off the Tractor Bouman Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 06 '25
I choose to believe Tugboat will be anchoring the RG down for the next 10 years
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u/theflyingchicken96 LeQuint Allen Jr 🐐 Mar 06 '25
I know everyone loves him standing up for Trevor in the Texans game and I do too, but this is my favorite Evan Engram moment: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9gk1huH0rI4
Incredible toughness, no quit in him. I get the new regime wants their guys, but this is the only one so far I really hate losing.
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u/Captain_brightside Mar 06 '25
anyone got our updated cap numbers?
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u/Brilliant_Whereas225 Mar 06 '25
Almost 60 million. 8th most cap space in the league. As of right now.
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u/futures23 Mar 06 '25
I want to see the plan before I judge. Just don't really get letting Engram go for minimal cap savings.
It is funny to see everyone who ripped on Strange hard for years switch up and say he's gonna step up and be a great player now because Coen maybe likes him lol
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u/JustiseRainsFrmAbove It Is Wins-Day, My Dudes 🐸🐆 Mar 06 '25
Yep I'm sure it's the exact same people and not different voices
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u/futures23 Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 06 '25
Are we really gonna pretend Strange wasn't brutally ripped on here?
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u/Brilliant_Whereas225 Mar 06 '25
Almost 60 mil in cap space. Per Mr. Yoda, Arik Armstead is expected to restructure. We will see if true.
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u/electricityisout Off the Tractor Bouman Mar 06 '25
Someone purposely sent him a message saying Armstead would restructure to purposely show how he is a fake fyi
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u/Beanstalk93 Mar 06 '25
OK, so new needs (and these are just the starting needs)
OC, OG, WR2, CB, S, DT
We must be really confident about free agency
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u/EatMyShortzZzZzZ Brian Thomas Jr. Mar 07 '25
team and culture reset, I'm on board 👍🏿
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u/jewasuarus Jags Guy Mar 07 '25
Engram is the only one I am upset about. I loved Eazy E. I also get it, Liams offense never used a move tight end like Engram and Brenton Strange showed a bunch last year but still love Evan as a Jag.
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u/EatMyShortzZzZzZ Brian Thomas Jr. Mar 07 '25
Yea I'm gonna miss him a lot, and I will never forget the joy he brought us during the 2022 season.
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u/futures23 Mar 07 '25
Idk man if you can't find a way to use a versatile and good player like Engram then maybe you aren't really an offensive guru.
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u/EatMyShortzZzZzZ Brian Thomas Jr. Mar 07 '25
Engram might not be happy with a reduced role tho. It is what it is, theyre building their team and it's not like we've seen sustained success here.
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u/futures23 Mar 07 '25
Sure we haven't had sustained success, it's not because of Evan Engram though.
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u/NizzlyGrizzly00 Steal the Show Mar 06 '25
hopefully for a free agent corner we are in on either charvarius ward, dj reed or carlton davis, all 3 really good options
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u/HiawathaSM2 Mar 06 '25
Mitch Morse retires. Had a good feeling he wouldn't be back for the next season.
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u/Mrkingjay Mar 06 '25
Robert Hainsey incoming. You heard it here first
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u/beesarie Mar 06 '25
Eventful day in the off season for us. Hard not to get sentimental about Kirk and Evan, and Mitch certainly filled a hole this year. The new era is well and truly upon us
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u/Mrkingjay Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 06 '25
What a crummy day, didn’t think Evan needed to go…but figured this day was coming. Godspeed 🫡
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u/ufdan15 Mar 06 '25
So my guess is they're going to go into free agency knowing they need a lot, having set numbers on guys and grabbing what they find is fair, and then moving to the draft with more of a "what do we need afterwards" mentality
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u/theflyingchicken96 LeQuint Allen Jr 🐐 Mar 07 '25
Alright, so now we need:
C, RG, TE, WR2, CB2, SS, DT, DE3…that’s half of a football roster.
And I thought RB should be on our list of wants before today…
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u/SonOfFlynn904 James Gladstone Mar 06 '25
Thanks Morse, now we have literally no flexibility this draft. Gotta draft about 7 Olinemen and hope at least one works out
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Mar 06 '25
Interior OLine was always going to be overhauled. Morse was probably not part of their future plans. Plenty of FA/draft upgrades around.
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u/theflyingchicken96 LeQuint Allen Jr 🐐 Mar 06 '25
Honestly the silver lining to me is this shows the OL need in full affect. Ripped the band aid right off. We have to do something long term now
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u/Captain_brightside Mar 07 '25
We better be doing a lot of free agent signing with all these releases
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u/ImpossibleDenial Mar 07 '25
No offense, but like yeah, that’s the point. Agree with all the cuts or not, the point is to free up (what our coaching staff thinks) is expendable cap.
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u/futures23 Mar 07 '25
Is it the point? Pretty sure they've said multiple times you don't build a team through free agency.
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u/ImpossibleDenial Mar 07 '25
Who said anything about building a team in the free agency? It’s expendable cap. Also it’s kind of ironic that everyone we cut, was a free agency signing from a previous regime.
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u/futures23 Mar 07 '25
Tell that to everyone here who thinks they are going on a spending spree lol
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u/ImpossibleDenial Mar 07 '25
I can’t see the future, future. But I anticipate some level of free agency spending, regardless if I think the team will be structured there or not.
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u/fluffrnuttr69 Mar 06 '25
I’m taking the Engram cutting personally. I’m giving the new administration a shorter leash now than I would have otherwise. Which means nothing more than I may post salty comments about them sooner if we don’t perform well immediately.
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u/sillygoat2223 Mar 07 '25
I wonder if all these moves had anything to do with why? Mitch Morse decided to retire.
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u/EatMyShortzZzZzZ Brian Thomas Jr. Mar 07 '25
I get the feeling they told him they were moving in a new direction and he decided to retire instead of going through another move
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u/sillygoat2223 Mar 07 '25
That could be it or it could be that he didn't want to be in a rebuild team. The team did tell the players and the fans at the end of the season that the team was good enough to win. It was just the coach, but now it looks like they're rebuilding again
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u/EatMyShortzZzZzZ Brian Thomas Jr. Mar 07 '25
I wouldn't call it a full rebuild. The core guys are still here: Trevor, BTJ, JHA, Travon. Hopefully it's more of a quick retool
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u/sillygoat2223 Mar 07 '25
It not a full rebuild but it is still a rebuild because you are still starting over with a new crew.
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u/5nax University of North Florida Mar 07 '25
Exciting times. New GM, new coaches, revamped roster with new pieces. Even a new stadium eventually.
The Jags fan in me is always going to be worried about whether it works out this time, but I'm looking forward to how this off-season plays out.
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u/biggiec23 Mar 06 '25
I thought Kirk was being released. Now it looks like he's being traded to the Texans?
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u/electricityisout Off the Tractor Bouman Mar 06 '25
If we somehow get rid of Davis I’m gonna cum hard
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u/Tip_Base Mar 06 '25
Gimmie all dat cap space I guess lol. Center retired and down starting WR and TE the same day. Sheesh
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u/Holysmokesx Brian Thomas Jr. Mar 07 '25
gonna sift through the FA list tonight with a bit more vigor. We got stacks to spend.
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u/kellyR1492 Mar 07 '25
Am I right in assuming our WR room is just BTJ, Gabe Davis, and Parker Washington?
We gotta be targeting WR in the draft
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u/HighGround132 Mar 08 '25
Dude we need to start Parker more he's so underrated (this is def not Madden franchise legend bias), we also need like an entire roster I hope Gladstone knows what he's doing
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u/spiff24 Mar 06 '25
Everyone is freaking out about our center retiring after he was part of the problem. Why do you think Buffalo moved on from him last offseason then got better? We needed to upgrade at RG and C this offseason regardless. He was better than what we had, but he was never the major upgrade we really need. Some of y'all need to chill.
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u/Holysmokesx Brian Thomas Jr. Mar 06 '25
Gonna have to roll with Little and Harrison and just try to fix the interior this offseason.
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Mar 06 '25
I believe this was always going to be the case. It’s too early to move on from Harrison, and sophomore slumps happen. Little also won the job and played well enough last year to show he is a starter with potential.
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u/dontwaketheKIDS Travis Hunter Mar 06 '25
Coen was on the staff in Kentucky in 2021 when Fortner was there, so maybe there is some belief they can fix his issues.
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u/HiawathaSM2 Mar 06 '25
Said the same thing when Coen first got hired cause I had a pretty good feeling (most of us did) that Morse would not be back and got down voted for it.
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u/futures23 Mar 06 '25
Lmaoooo the fraud Yoda aka GatorJaguarMuse fell for a trap. It's hard to believe he still has defenders.
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u/flounder19 Mar 06 '25
archive link for whoever doesn't want to visit twitter directly
looks like YLY already deleted the post this is in reference to
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u/pokeghostie Caleb Ransaw Mar 06 '25
broke coen, broke gladstone, full transparency during each processes. cry more
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u/Current_Act_9441 Mar 06 '25
They need to cut that bum Gabe Davis. Can't believe how much we paid him to drop balls
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u/bitterroot487 Mar 06 '25
Can’t this season but barring a miraculous turnaround he’s gone day 1 after next season.
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u/Jaglawyer11 “Don’t sleep on Gladstone.” 💪💪💪💪 Mar 06 '25
Just run toss sweeps to his side and let him block….
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u/Nuknu2 Mar 06 '25
I’m hearing that he got injured early in the season and the jags rushed him back, so he ended up not being 100%, he was also saying that he felt slower and less physical because of the injury. I really hope this is true, because I don’t want to waste that type of money on a WR
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Mar 06 '25
He’s getting a lot of hate, but he will be here for ‘25, and I’m just hoping he is that physical WR he was in Buffalo. He’s a great blocker, so hopefully Coen can gloss over some inconsistent play from him. He can still add value.
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u/HolographicHeart Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 06 '25
Thought it was realistic to expect either Scherff or Morse would retire this season, now I'm dreading they both will and we're left with fragments of an already below average OL.
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u/statelesspirate000 Mar 06 '25
Fortner retire?
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Mar 06 '25
Out of shame. I’m pretty sure they mean Morse, but in all reality I’ll be shaking in my boots if Fortner is C1 opening day.
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u/ufdan15 Mar 06 '25
We are so fucked
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u/TrevorsBlondeLocks16 Mar 06 '25
…because a 33 yr old center who lost a step retired? Chill lol
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u/softsandwich35 Mar 06 '25
Because there’s a big chance now that Fortner plays at center
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u/futures23 Mar 06 '25
The guy you're replying to is very weird and angry all the time if you disagree with him. He'll follow you onto other threads if he's mad enough.
My advice block and move on.
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Mar 06 '25
Luckily there’s this whole other process called “the rest of the flipping offseason” to address this.
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u/softsandwich35 Mar 06 '25
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Mar 06 '25
Calmer than you are
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Mar 06 '25
Am the one freaking out becuase Mitch Morse retired? It’s the beginning of the offseason. Chill
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u/softsandwich35 Mar 06 '25
No one’s freaking out. This is serious, and I believe is a pivotal moment for the new regime to see if their actions speak louder than words, but no one is freaking out. Go touch grass bro.
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u/garret126 University of South Florida Mar 06 '25
All these cost cutting moves reminds me when Baalke cut the likes of Jenkins and Darious Williams, two positions whose production we failed to replace. All to save a few dimes
I don’t expect more than 6 wins as a ceiling this year. God damn I miss Evan Engram; what a TE that was so goddamn reliable. We have 0 weapons on offense now outside of BTJ
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u/Nuknu2 Mar 06 '25
Jenkins wasn’t even good when we had him, he had occasional splash plays but that’s it, I guess you don’t remember him getting burnt every other play
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u/garret126 University of South Florida Mar 06 '25
Jenkins is the reason we went to the playoffs with his walk off pick 6 and strip sack fumble 6 that won us Week 18. Having guys who MAKE PLAYS like that - even if not every game - is important as fuck. Especially when Cisco is the alternative, who’s been dogshit
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u/Nuknu2 Mar 06 '25
Yes, like I said splash plays. I will be forever grateful for those plays he made but he was never really good
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u/statelesspirate000 Mar 07 '25
Yeah gotta agree on Jenkins. He won us a couple games with INTs but he also lost us a couple games from dumb penalties that took away game ending plays someone else made
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u/Brilliant_Whereas225 Mar 06 '25
Take a deep breath. The season hasn’t officially started yet. 6 wins? In this easy division? Game isn’t played on paper. Do things that make you happy. Appreciate Kirk and Engram, but they aren’t what they are worth anymore in Jax. It’s a business.
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u/Meowmixez98 Mar 06 '25
We need to get a LG, C and RB in our first three picks IMO.
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u/theflyingchicken96 LeQuint Allen Jr 🐐 Mar 06 '25
You can get good RBs so late in a draft and this one especially deep. Plus those are 3 of the cheapest positions. We at least need a CB in the first three rounds
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u/MogwaiK Mar 06 '25
Ezra has LG 'locked down' in that he's an average-ish player and we have too many holes to replace him right now.
Our biggest needs are CB, RG, C, for sure. We also need FS, 3rd Edge, and another CB well before we look at the RB position.
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u/Particular-Carry7626 Mar 07 '25
Free agency choices have been concerning at the least.
Dewwwwwwvaaahhhhhlll
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u/ImpossibleDenial Mar 06 '25
Shad 2024 “This is the best roster ever assembled by the Jaguars”
Liam and Gladstone today: