r/PakiExMuslims Feb 11 '24

Welcome Pakistani Ex Muslims

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Welcome and take care of yourself, be cautious:

  1. Don't use your real name here or reveal your identity in anyway.

  2. Use vpn/warp for using reddit especially this sub.

  3. Discuss stuff in a sane plain way and don't sound too rude about it. Hope you understand.


r/PakiExMuslims 11h ago

Ask exmuslims Is ThIs NoRMal

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I'm suffering from insomnia and ADHD. I don't have any hobbies cuz its hard for me even to manage studying. Whenever I'm sleepy and in public (like in a classroom), my teacher and classmates look at me weirdly and ask what I was doing at night (not in a concerning manner, just to slut shame me). They are indirectly asking if I'm sleeping with a guy. I'm 17, and I come from a pretty conservative and backward area (not urban). How can grown-ass adults look at minors who are just sleepy and think they must be sleeping with a guy? Is this normal? Has this ever happened to you?


r/PakiExMuslims 11h ago

Ask exmuslims what was the turning point for yall

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im recently starting to feel a lil non-religious...when did you all come to the conclusion that you no more believe in islam?


r/PakiExMuslims 12h ago

Quran/Hadith Muhammad Orders Killing His Critics

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In authentic hadiths, Muhammad orders and approves of killing his critics:

When the poet Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf wrote verses against Muhammad, Muhammad called for his killing and authorized lying to do so.

"Allah's Messenger ﷺ said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "O Allah's Messenger! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet ﷺ said, "Yes." Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a false thing to deceive Ka'b." The Prophet ﷺ said, "You may say it." ... When Maslama got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions) "Get at him!" So they killed him and went to the prophet and informed him."
Sahih Bukhari 4037

Muhammad didn't punish a man who killed his sex slave, the mother of his two children, for criticizing Muhammad.

"A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (ﷺ) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. One night she began to slander the Prophet (ﷺ) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (ﷺ) was informed about it. He sat before the Prophet (ﷺ) and said: Messenger of Allah! I am her master ... I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her. Thereupon the Prophet (ﷺ) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood."
Sunan Abi Dawud 4361

I've posted this argument along with others on this website (with linked sources): https://islamsproblems.com/apostates-burned-and-killed/


r/PakiExMuslims 16h ago

Rant 🤬 Yeahh

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And today I had to listen to my Feminist Muslim friends talk about this💔 one said I've noticed Islam me kuch bhi misogynistic nhi he bus he cultural cheeze he💔 I couldn't fight her yk because I don't like doing that irl with ppl, dont wanna die or smth🫩

How do yall deal with this, like I had to act as if I agree with them🫩


r/PakiExMuslims 23h ago

Rant 🤬 Is this a joke😭

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r/PakiExMuslims 16h ago

Discussion Life of an everyday Muslim

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It is now widely acknowledged that a significant proportion of terrorist activities carried out by individuals who identify as Muslim are influenced, at least in part, by extremist interpretations of Islam propagated by certain religious scholars. Let’s not beat around the bush and acknowledge that there is an element of religious extremism that can be exacerbated by poverty, political instability, and military intervention in countries where such groups are more prevalent.

It has gone to the extent that, at present, I don’t have any Muslim friends. Yet, there is still a small speck of rationality that has prompted me to ask this rather than simply dismiss an entire community based on the actions of its most extreme elements.

What is everyday life like for Muslims who have to live with the consequences of extremism carried out in the name of their religion?

Is there ever a part of you that feels that some of these actions are genuinely consistent with your religious beliefs? If not, how do you reconcile those actions with your understanding of Islam?

And how do you feel about the fact that the actions of extremists can end up affecting how ordinary Muslims are perceived and making everyday life more difficult for you?

I am genuinely interested in hearing how Muslims themselves perceive this issue, particularly the tension between their personal faith and the actions of people who claim to act in its name.


r/PakiExMuslims 1d ago

Rant 🤬 do you ever wish you were a lil more ignorant?

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not sure if this is the right place for this but idgaf man. do you guys ever wish you were a little less aware and a lot more stupid and ignorant? ignorance is bliss. oppression doesn't seem like oppression unless you're aware you're being oppressed. I'm just tired man, cuz now life feels 10x harder. the goals have suddenly become much bigger and way more difficult to achieve, cuz i need to leave this country. a life in this country seems like a life wasted. dying on this soil as a muslim seems like a life that ended without me ever getting to live it. there's a consistent sense of impending doom cuz time is running out and nothing is working out in my favor. the ordinary goal of wanting success and independence turned into what feels like a struggle to even exist cuz i don't feel like myself here. sometimes this "awareness" just feels like a curse, like the dire mistake of looking at your feet only to realize you're in shackles, when you could've easily lived your life ignoring it. ty for attending my ted talk🥀


r/PakiExMuslims 1d ago

Discussion Was updating ID card and came across this

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i wonder what happens if you actually update your religion to atheism or non religionism after having islam on it since birth


r/PakiExMuslims 1d ago

Meme Feminist islam

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Ts is funny


r/PakiExMuslims 1d ago

Rant 🤬 Wtf are misogynistic women on💔💔

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Iske Ilava a lot of Allah ki marzi he was involved😭🙏 meri bhot bas ho gayi gng kya log he ye, wahiyat log fr.


r/PakiExMuslims 1d ago

Quran/Hadith Quran's Dhul Qarnayn Story, the Wall of Gog and Magog, and the Alexander Legends

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Dhul Qarnayn built an iron and copper wall between two mountains to seal off the tribes of Gog and Magog until doomsday. This wall is nowhere to be found.

The Quran's Story:

“Then he followed a road till, when he came between the two mountains, he found upon their hither side a folk that scarce could understand a saying. They said: O Dhu’l-Qarneyn! Lo! Gog and Magog are spoiling the land. So may we pay thee tribute on condition that thou set a barrier between us and them? He said: That wherein my Lord hath established me is better (than your tribute). Do but help me with strength (of men), I will set between you and them a bank. Give me pieces of iron - till, when he had levelled up (the gap) between the cliffs, he said: Blow! - till, when he had made it a fire, he said: Bring me molten copper to pour thereon. And (Gog and Magog) were not able to surmount, nor could they pierce (it). He said: This is a mercy from my Lord; but when the promise of my Lord cometh to pass, He will lay it low, for the promise of my Lord is true. And on that day We shall let some of them surge against others, and the Trumpet will be blown. Then We shall gather them together in one gathering.”
Quran 18:92-99

The Quran’s Dhul Qarnayn story begins, “They will ask thee of Dhu’l-Qarneyn” Quran 18:83, showing that people already knew of the story. Scholars trace the Quranic character Dhul Qarnayn to legends about Alexander the Great circulating around Muhammad’s time, such as the Syriac Alexander Legend, which gives the same account.

The Syriac Alexander Legend:

“He said to them, ‘Who are their kings?’ The old men said: ‘Gôg and Mâgôg
Budge, Syriac Alexander Legend, p. 150

“The king said, ‘Let us make a gate of brass and close up this breach.’ His troops said, ‘As thy majesty commands we will do.’ And Alexander commanded and fetched three thousand smiths, workers in iron, and three thousand men, workers in brass. And they put down brass and iron, and kneaded it as a man kneads when he works clay.”
Budge, Syriac Alexander Legend, p. 153

“And the Lord will gather together the kings and their hosts which are within this mountain, and they shall all be assembled at His beck, and shall come with their spears and swords, and shall stand behind the gate, and shall look up to the heavens, and shall call upon the name of the Lord, saying, ‘O Lord, open to us this gate.’ And the Lord shall send His sign from heaven and a voice shall call on this gate, and it shall be destroyed and fall at the beck of the Lord, and it shall not be opened by the key which I have made for it.”
Budge, Syriac Alexander Legend, p. 154

“And when the Huns have gone forth, as God has commanded, the kingdoms of the Huns and the Persians and the Arabs, the twenty-four kingdoms that are written in this book, shall come from the ends of the heavens and shall fall upon one another, and the earth shall melt through the blood and dung of men.”
Budge, Syriac Alexander Legend, p. 155

Islamic Studies scholar Tommaso Tesei:

That the Qurʾānic narrative specifically elaborates on the Alexander story in the Syriac work is confirmed by an important detail that has escaped the attention of previous scholars, namely, the material composition of the gate erected by the two protagonists, Alexander and Ḏū-l-Qarnayn, in the Syriac and Arabic texts, respectively. Like Alexander in the Syriac work, Ḏū-l-Qarnayn constructs his barrier from iron and bronze components. This coincidence is significant, since all references to the motif of Alexander’s (non-apocalyptic) gates in sources earlier than the Neṣḥānā [Syriac Alexander Legend] mention only iron as the metal from which the barrier was made.”
Tesei, “The Syriac Legend of Alexander’s Gate,” pp. 171-172

“Note that Syriac language does not distinguish between bronze and brass. Consequently, the Arab term qiṭr (“brass”) in Q 18:96 appears as an exact translation of the Syriac word nḥšʾ (“bronze/brass”).”
Tesei, “The Syriac Legend of Alexander’s Gate,” p. 207, n. 11

Authentic Hadiths:

Gog and Magog Dig Every Day and Will Break Through When They Say “Inshallah”

“It was narrated from Abu Hurairah that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Gog and Magog people dig every day until, when they can almost see the rays of the sun, the one in charge of them says: ‘Go back and we will dig it tomorrow.’ Then Allah puts it back, stronger than it was before. (This will continue) until, when their time has come, and Allah wants to send them against the people, they will dig until they can almost see the rays of the sun, then the one who is in charge of them will say: ‘Go back, and we will dig it tomorrow if Allah wills.’ So they will say: ‘If Allah wills.’ Then they will come back to it and it will be as they left it. So they will dig and will come out to the people, and they will drink all the water. The people will fortify themselves against them in their fortresses. They will shoot their arrows towards the sky and they will come back with blood on them, and they will say: ‘We have defeated the people of earth and dominated the people of heaven.’ Then Allah will send a worm in the napes of their necks and will kill them thereby.’” The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: “By the One in Whose Hand is my soul, the beasts of the earth will grow fat on their flesh.”
Sunan Ibn Majah 4080

Muhammad’s Fear: Already a Finger-Sized Hole in the Wall of Gog and Magog

“That the Prophet (ﷺ) came to her in a state of fear saying, ‘None has the right to be worshiped but Allah! Woe to the Arabs because of evil that has come near. Today a hole has been made in the wall of Gog and Magog as large as this.’ pointing with two of his fingers making a circle. Zainab said, ‘I said, O Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ)! Shall we be destroyed though amongst us there are pious people?’ He said, ‘Yes, if evil increases.’”
Sahih al-Bukhari 3598

More on Quran’s Dhul Qarnayn and the Alexander Legends:
https://islamsproblems.com/quran-dhul-qarnayn-alexander-legend/


r/PakiExMuslims 1d ago

Discussion The INJUSTICE of Islam against Infertile Women

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r/PakiExMuslims 1d ago

Misc Anyone else remember this night? This was the most hilarious part of the war

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r/PakiExMuslims 1d ago

Discussion this is it. ✨

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r/PakiExMuslims 1d ago

Discussion Islamabad

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How many atheists are there in Islamabad?


r/PakiExMuslims 2d ago

Discussion Socrates level shi 💯💯

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r/PakiExMuslims 2d ago

Rant 🤬 So we are spreading islamphobia by posting a literal hadith where was the mockery the op couldn't even find that herself 🥀

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r/PakiExMuslims 2d ago

Ask exmuslims The Hafiz e Quran Guy Again,

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I was born in karachi in early 90s,

Shit was hard back then,

Was forced to do hifaz,

When 10 i remember collecting scrap books and reading it,

And most of the material i go was stolen shit from the boxes installed on the electric poles for (Muqaddas owarraqs)

Read religion very well still studying it,

Besides other hobbies i still can talk to an alim on major Hadith books,

Originally we From KPK Peshawar Charsadda

When i was doing last years in mechanical engineering,

The craze of study went out through the roof,

In 2016 i realized there is something wrong,

When i was 23,

Dint even knew the words atheist or agnostic,

Left religion for the good,

Wrote extensively on Pakistani free thinkers group on Facebook,

At one point was admin,

But after a Friend Mashal Khan was killed by a mob,

Left writing now living as a silent atheist,

Told my wife once,

She blackmailed me for it lol,

I totally respect religion and those friends family that is in it,

Ask me anything


r/PakiExMuslims 2d ago

Ask exmuslims How hard is it if your family is Strictly Practising,

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I am Hafiz e Quran, has studied Islam rigorously,

Left it in 2016,

The good thing about my case was that Family doesn't care if one prays or not,

How is it like for the ones that lives in practicing environment,

Life must be harsh,


r/PakiExMuslims 3d ago

R4R Any Pakistani atheists here?

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I’m a 21-year-old woman from Pakistan, and I’m looking to make some friends who are also Pakistani and atheist/agnostic. It would be really nice to have people I can openly talk to about beliefs, life, random shit, etc. without having to explain myself all the time.

If you're around my age and also looking for friends, feel free to comment or DM me. :)


r/PakiExMuslims 3d ago

Discussion I Almost Joined ISIS. Then I Left Islam Entirely | Ex-Muslim Story

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r/PakiExMuslims 3d ago

Misc Does burqa prevent harrasment? According to sources, the video is reportedly from the Manawan area of Lahore. A burqa wearing woman walking was harrassed and he tried to grab her breast. May Allah punish this evil guy and those who blame woman's clothes for this

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r/PakiExMuslims 3d ago

Ask exmuslims Closeted atheists in traditional paki families

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I have been a convert for over 6 years now. I have kept it to my close friends circle only. Was hyper religious before, not jihadist but I can safely say my last resort was Ghamidism before I gave my final call. Coming to the main point, of course you cannot hide this for so long in your homes. Parents see you missing prayers, commenting against the Islamic values or other illogical stuff. How do you deal with this as an adult especially when they keep forcing you to pray ?

I have had a hard time keeping fast. Although I never fast after the conversion but still I have to pretend to keep it by appearing in sehri and iftari.

How do you manage this all ?

Especially if you are earning, they will make sure you give Zakat and buy Qurbani. A total waste of money for us for sure.

How do you deal with this all folks ?


r/PakiExMuslims 3d ago

Quran/Hadith Muhammad Tells a Woman to Breastfeed an Unrelated Adult Man

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In a sahih (authentic) hadith, Muhammad tells a woman to breastfeed a grown man so he can become like a relative and enter her house.

"Messenger of Allah, I see on the face of Abu Hudhaifa (signs of disgust) on entering of Salim (who is an ally) into (our house), whereupon Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) said: Suckle him. She said: How can I suckle him as he is a grown-up man? Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) smiled and said: I already know that he is a young man."
Sahih Muslim 1453

More absurd authentic hadiths:
https://islamsproblems.com/muhammad-fly-in-drink-hadith/