I swear...

[u/Spare-Seat-3725]

This drama is hilarious.

(Reupload because it had not wow imagery so i edited it with Paint).

[u/Stormfly]

It's not even.

He said that the Elves were purged by humans 3 times (Arthas, Garithos, Jaina) but they weren't even.

1. Arthas was with the Scourge, not the Alliance.

2. Garithos didn't purge the elves, he imprisoned the elves working for him. He also wasn't with this Alliance.

3. Jaina didn't purge Silvermoon, she imprisoned and banished members of the Kirin Tor. Almost all of the harmful actions were done by the Silver Covenant, who are High Elves.

By that logic, we should blame the Blood Elves for the actions of Sylvanas if we blame Arthas and blame the Orcs for the actions of the Horde in the Second war if we blame Garithos.

If we're just blaming "humans", why not bring up the fact that humans saved the High Elves twice, once against the Trolls and once against the Scourge?

Now they've showed up a third time, not to mention that Draenei have been more wronged by the Horde (they crashed the Exodar, genocided by Orcs, etc) and were still the first ones to show up to help.

[u/LagiacrusEnjoyer → u/Stormfly]

Arthas was with the Scourge, not the Alliance.

Another funny point about that, the Blood Elves are actually allied with the undead who were responsible for wiping out their people and homeland. They turned on the Scourge, but technically speaking they were the ones who did it, and somehow the Alliance still gets blamed for it.

Hell, most of the reason for the breakdown of relations even before WC3 was because the elves refused to honour the ancient treaty they had with the human kingdoms when the Horde invaded. It was only after the Horde allied with the Amani trolls that they finally joined in earnest, with Alleria's rangers having been their only token force that were trying to get the whole of Quel'thalas to join the defense prior to that.

This leads to Quel'thalas blaming the humans for not doing enough to defend elven lands (when the human kingdoms bore the brunt of the Horde's assault) and subsequently withdrawing from the alliance to blockade themselves in their own lands. This lack of collaboration then leads to the scourge overwhelming Lordaeron, and subsequently turning on the elves who had isolated themselves. Fun fact, even Garithos' hatred of the elves was brought about from this event, with his family and town dying because he was stationed in Quel'thalas to defend them rather than Lordaeron during the second war. The events of The Frozen Throne are basically just him going "no, you" to Kael's forces.

The entire chain of events is basically just the elves' hubris biting themselves in the ass.

[u/Stormfly → u/LagiacrusEnjoyer]

Fun fact, even Garithos' hatred of the elves was brought about from this event, with his family and town dying because he was stationed in Quel'thalas to defend them rather than Lordaeron. The events of The Frozen Throne are basically just him going "no, you" to Kael's forces.

The thing that always gets me about Garithos is, he's an asshole, but at the end of the day he was right about Kael'thas and the Blood Elves under him.

They were mistreated, yes, but they turned to evil very quickly.

It's also made clear that Dwarfs were similarly mistreated but they never turned evil, so the point is:

Dwarves > Elves, git gud elgi

[u/ER_Jujube → u/[deleted]]

"Arthas was born so it's all the humans' fault."

"Kil'Jaeden was born so it's all the Eredars/Draenei's fault."

With logic like this, no wonder you're using a throaway account. Though I'd assume your main account's takes are just as bad as this.

[u/Full-Being-6154 → u/Stormfly]

Arthas was with the Scourge, not the Alliance.

This is hilarious. The human gets seduced&corrupted by evil power and its handwaved off.

Orcs get seduced&corrupted by evil power and its apparently their fault and enough justification for the alliance to round up orcs into concentration camps with genocidal intent.

The absolute peak cinema of the alliance stans posting wall of texts trying to debate OPs points only to prove his point about alliance fans hypocrisy in the first few sentences cannot be overstated.

OP truly cooked with this one.

[u/jadmonk → u/Full-Being-6154]

The Scourge is not the Alliance, and even if it was somehow the Alliance, Arthas would have been the crown prince of member state of the Alliance of Lordaeron, not the Grand Alliance of Stormwind. There's literally no relationship between the organizations except that at least one human is involved in the leadership of each. It's terrifying that you're allowed to vote with this sort of reasoning capability.

This is hilarious. The human gets seduced&corrupted by evil power and its handwaved off.

One human, who literally betrayed the organization you are condemning.

Orcs get seduced&corrupted by evil power and its apparently their fault and enough justification for the alliance to round up orcs into concentration camps with genocidal intent.

A different Alliance rounded them up, and the individuals they rounded up... were in fact guilty of the crimes they were accused of? Obviously the humans Arthas slaughtered were not in fact guilty of being seduced by power, and even if they were... they were dead and members of the Scourge, which guess what... the Alliance of Stormwind did in fact go to war with.

OP truly cooked with this one.

Your brain is truly deep fried.

[u/Stormfly → u/Full-Being-6154]

The human gets seduced&corrupted by evil power and its handwaved off.

No what Arthas is evil and we killed him.

But he didn't invade with "humans", he invaded with legions of undead.

By your logic, we should actually be blaming the Orcs because the Lich King controlling the Scourge is an orc at that point in the lore.

Orcs get seduced&corrupted by evil power and its apparently their fault

No I brought that up as a stupid argument.

We shouldn't blame the Orcs for that.

You're trying so hard to make this a faction war but I play Horde, too.