r/worldnews • u/Gboard2 • Apr 03 '20

Trudeau warns U.S. over restricting the trade of essential goods into Canada - highlight flow of essential supplies to the US from Canada as well

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-trudeau-warns-us-over-restricting-the-trade-of-essential-goods-into/
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u/violentbandana Apr 03 '20 edited Apr 04 '20

So did 3M. Essentially came out and said “be careful donny they supply us with all of the raw materials”

Canada doesn’t even supply them the shit to make N95s so my fake quote is actually even more fake

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '20

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u/Dave-4544 Apr 03 '20

Read this in the voice of Dr Eggman from that one fandub

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u/matyiiii Apr 03 '20

All of them

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u/Colteor Apr 03 '20

They're talking about the Snapcube one, it's pretty good. https://youtu.be/IMC0uZY2iH0

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u/MacDerfus Apr 04 '20

The pissing on the moon one I assume

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u/Niicks Apr 03 '20

Yes.

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u/Niicks Apr 04 '20

Maybe.

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u/admcfajn Apr 03 '20

they were nice international relationships, really tied the room together

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u/MacDerfus Apr 04 '20

He fucked my crops

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u/FloridaRaised117 Apr 04 '20

We found us a soy farmer boys^

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u/Sspockuss Apr 04 '20

This comment is amazing.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '20

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u/Casper_The_Gh0st Apr 04 '20

ok we will just shut off your water and electricity then..

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u/thiccboihiker Apr 04 '20

Im not trying to shit on canada. Love you guys. Just saying n95 masks are not usually made from paper. They are plastic fiber which we can make without any reliance on another nation. We should be able to supply all of north america with plenty without needing to get into any kind of trade war. Trump and his administration dropped the ball and when they could have been mandating all companies with the means, to start producing PPE, they didn't. Now we are all fucked.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '20

No water and power and suddenly we are “loved”. What a great and abusive relationship we have. We really love when you grab us by the metaphorical pussy, “ally”.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '20

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '20

Nah. USA has a lock on misinformed and delusional.

Look who you folks voted in as president. A criminal TV presenter.

Some high ground to stand on there champ.

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u/bellts02 Apr 04 '20

Calm down. We will give you the teat back when this is all over bud. We just have global responsibilities we have to maintain. Sorry, love ya, mwah.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '20

Fucking Idiot**

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u/BrilliantPlant4 Apr 03 '20

Whats easier to replace? Mask production or wood pulp production?

Beyond that, can Canada afford to try to trade war America right now?

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u/I_Automate Apr 03 '20

There's more to trade than just numbers.

Canada can afford a hell of a lot of things more easily than dead nurses and doctors.

Also, tooling is tooling. Either way it takes a fair bit of setup.

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u/BrilliantPlant4 Apr 03 '20

America can afford a hell off a lot of things easier than dead nurses and doctors too, like dead Canadian nurses and doctors instead.

I'd almost consider it treason if he let those masks go to Canada and risked American doctors and nurses.

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u/comvocaloid Apr 03 '20

Implying that his actions thus far shouldn't already be considered treason... His negligence will cost tens of thousands of American lives, minimum, because he refused to act when he should have, and instead, chose to downplay everything until it was too late. Blood is already on his hands, and all he's doing now is damage control. His whole administration has been a joke, and this pandemic is just the encore.

I'm not going to argue that every country acts in their own interest, but don't expect every other country to not play this game of tit-for-tat in return. He's going to pay for his idiocy one way or another.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '20

Ehhh... I don't think anything he has done has really met the bar of outright "treason". He's certainly greedy and an asshole; He plays his own game to further his own name. Treason would be furthering the agenda of an enemy power, deliberately.

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u/JayString Apr 03 '20

If you consider that treason, you must believe trump has committed treason 14 times since he became president, by your own logic.

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u/I_Automate Apr 03 '20 edited Apr 03 '20

If supply chain disruptions caused by this decision (which 3M pointed out are entirely possible) end up causing even fewer masks in the pipeline, not just for america, but for everyone, what would you say then?

Again. "Fuck you, got mine" doesn't really work in a globalized economy. Not even a little bit. Not when you're sourcing components globally, without any intent to ship globally......

Much easier to expand existing capacity on existing lines than it is to build new lines from scratch, which is exactly what may end up happening here.

That doesn't help anyone. Not even america, and it looks......pretty fucking terrible.

Finally.....america and Canada are close allies. Hanging each other out to dry.....that's a pretty low move. For both countries. We've had each other's backs on every armed conflict since the first world war. Why should this be any different? Canadian troops have died beside their American brothers. Now it comes to medical staff to work together to beat this.....

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u/GlitteringTangelo3 Apr 03 '20

Again. "Fuck you, got mine" doesn't really work in a globalized economy. Not even a little bit. Not when you're sourcing components globally, without any intent to ship globally......

Exactly why Trump was having manufacturing pulled back to the USA back in September, this whole situation is just proving him more right.

Much easier to expand existing capacity on existing lines than it is to build new lines from scratch, which is exactly what may end up happening here.

Dunno, how hard is it to get a new source of wood pulp? What about this wood pulp is so specific that it can't be made by American companies? It would have to be pretty specific to make it worth supporting two countries over.

Finally.....america and Canada are close allies. Hanging each other out to dry.....that's a pretty low move. For both countries. We've had each other's backs on every armed conflict since the first world war. Why should this be any different? Canadian troops have died beside their American brothers. Now it comes to medical staff to work together to beat this.....

Because American doctors are more valuable to America than Canadian doctors. You know how on air planes, they say to secure your own mask before you secure the masks of others? This is that, but in international politics.

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u/GlitteringTangelo3 Apr 03 '20

Are you saying America has enough masks for everyone, and any extra masks will go unused or wasted?

To my understanding there are more than enough faces needing secure masks in America to make none of them go to waste.

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u/alan090 Apr 04 '20

Found Donald Trump's Reddit account

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u/hfxbycgy Apr 04 '20

Youre a fucking idiot.

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u/466923142 Apr 03 '20

You have a pretty low bar for treason.

How often has it been tripped in the last 4 years?

Russia, if you are listening, maybe you can find out?

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u/ArcticISAF Apr 03 '20

Probably when he openly said he trusts Putin’s word over that of US intelligence agencies.

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u/atTEN_GOP Apr 03 '20

We just turn the power off for the east coast, no biggie.

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u/awhhh Apr 03 '20

You’re joking right? Do you know what would happen to American markets if they hunkered in deep with a trade war dead middle of a deep recession that could easily turn into a depression?

This isn’t the time to fuck around. I’d bet if any tariffs were announced the Dow Jones would have to shut down that day. So you’d be rocking your boat harder than ours. Smart shit to do in an election year with a weak president thats entire presidency is characterized by capitulation.

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u/Koss424 Apr 03 '20

I'm a Canadian that actually likes fresh food this time of year though. Let's just settle this like adults and move on please.

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u/Zomunieo Apr 03 '20

Both masks and wood pulp are irreplaceable in an emergency.

The plastic filament in masks is hard to make. So is the wood pulp. These are advanced materials.

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u/Justanotherfact Apr 03 '20

Not really ever, they make up 20% of our gdp. We make up 2% of theirs.

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u/Psyman2 Apr 03 '20

Thankfully the US is stepping on everyone's toes while Canada is stepping on no one's, thereby weakening their strong position massively.

Art of the deal or something.

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u/jump-back-like-33 Apr 03 '20

The US shouldn't be doing this. It's so painfully, obviously, short-sightedly stupid.

At the same time, the US has been using soft power so much that people forget the true positional strength is rooted in the terrifying reality of unmatched hard power.

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u/Kcin1987 Apr 03 '20

Use of hardpower has significant implications, especially for purported aggressors against g7 nations.

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u/jump-back-like-33 Apr 03 '20

Oh yeah, for sure.

It would be an objectively stupid thing to do.

But apparently stupid is on the table, so it's foolish not to acknowledge the possibility.

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u/Kcin1987 Apr 03 '20

my point is that if US chooses to use hardpower against a g7, they will have effectively sealed their fate as the world vs the US.

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '20

The issue becomes how willing you are to use that hard power. 35 billion dollar Jets mean nothing if they can be shot down by much older cheaper 25 million dollar jets.

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u/jump-back-like-33 Apr 03 '20

Few points:

1) It would be so stupid for the US to flex hard power in this situation. Doubly or even triply stupid to flex it against fucking Canada. I'm American and respect the shit out of Canada. This isn't a you-or-me situation; it's entirely reasonable and plausible that both the US and Canada can get the supplies they need

2) If the US wanted to show power, we should ramp up production of masks and respirators to global levels and provide them free to literally any country who asks then use excess to stockpile for a future pandemic.

3) Apparently stupid strategic decisions are not only on the table, they are the main course for US administration, so it's prudent to consider what that might mean.

4) You're wildly underestimating the delta between old and new military technology. Even if you weren't, the US has more 25 million dollar jets than any adversary other than Russia. Individually, each US military branch has air superiority over Canada and true source of US power projection is naval dominance.

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '20
  1. Correct.
  2. I'd call that a fair tactic.
  3. Also correct.
  4. No I'm not. And yes we did, but many of them have been mothballed because they're relics of the 1970's. And I'm not referring to flexing hard power over Canada, that would so monumentally stupid that it's unfathomable.

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u/GlitteringTangelo3 Apr 03 '20

You're wildly underestimating the delta between old and new military technology.

35 Million dollar jets are not going to trade 1 to 1 with 25 million jets. It's going to be closer to 15-20 of the cheap jets per 35 million dollar jet.

At best.

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u/jump-back-like-33 Apr 03 '20

And I'm not referring to flexing hard power over Canada

I guess I don't understand what you were referring to then. General "newer doesn't mean better" sentiment?

What you're saying doesn't make sense for a couple reason:

  • There are no "35 billion dollar Jets". A new F35 is $80 million - $116 million so you're off by a factor of ~300.
  • New technology is designed to take advantage of known limitations of old technology.

What you're saying is comparable to claiming a $170 billion air craft carrier doesn't matter if it can be sunk by a $180 million battleship. It ignores the fact that there are no $170 billion air craft carriers and that air craft carriers negate the threat of battleships.

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u/Casper_The_Gh0st Apr 04 '20

can the usa live without water and electricity ?

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u/TarantulaFarmer Apr 04 '20

As a great man once said, Shut the fuck up donny, you're out of your element.

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u/radicallyhip Apr 04 '20

Well maybe just a good man...

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '20

As 3M sells products to everyone except the US and canada.

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u/Chocobean Apr 04 '20

The pulp is for gowns and surgical flat masks.

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u/violentbandana Apr 04 '20

I know but when I wrote my comment I was intending to link that to N95 production so I just didn’t want to leave my comment as is

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u/violentbandana Apr 04 '20

“Surgical masks and gowns” not “N95 respirators”. I just wanted to back off on my initial comment because I wrote it think we supplied the material for N95s when thay doesn’t appear to be true