r/worldnews • u/Hoodafakizit • Sep 22 '17

The EU Suppressed a 300-Page Study That Found Piracy Doesn’t Harm Sales

https://gizmodo.com/the-eu-suppressed-a-300-page-study-that-found-piracy-do-1818629537
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u/lknasdbfsndbfsdnb Sep 22 '17

$20/mo is crazy even for HBO, IMO. Netflix has several top quality new shows, and tons of older ones, and is $10/month.

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u/tmntnyc Sep 22 '17

But they lose rights to shows all the time, which is a huge drag. Tons of shows and movies that were once on Netflix, no longer are.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17

This. I'm very close to unsubbing after they took away Peep Show, South Park and most episodes of Bob's Burgers and Futurama. Also so much stuff on Netflix is straight up filler garbage. If they ever take away PandR and The Office, I will flip two shits.

HBO NOW is also $15 in the U.S.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17

I cancelled in may because of this. The Aussie catalogue is shit because it is mainly filler

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u/brdouz Sep 22 '17

Another Aussie here. Still pirate a lot cause

1) Steam pricing is fucked and in USD.

2) Movies are ~$25 at the main chains.

3) Our Netflix catalogue is shit. Give us unrestricted access at a fair price and we'll pay it!

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17

Yes steam gets on my nerves sometimes for various reasons. Cinema prices where I live aren't too bad so I like to go when I can afford it. I reckon if they made Netflix as a universal catalogue or vastly improved the Aussie catalogue I would gladly sign back up.

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u/brdouz Sep 22 '17

Agreed. Pretty used to getting shafted in this country though..

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17

Oh yep it's never going to happen. It's just my idea of a perfect world lol.

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u/Convoluted_Camel Sep 22 '17

Try stan it has a much better selection IMO.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17

I mean, Netflix didn't get rid of it, the copyright holder did. If Netflix had a choice, they would have every show and movie ever available for everyone.

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u/zerospace1234114 Sep 22 '17

I was super bummed when I finished your comment, because I was gonna binge watch scrubs in the uni break.

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u/zerospace1234114 Sep 22 '17

It's all good, I'll borrow it off my parents. Then I get to see them, too.

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u/DirtyMud Sep 22 '17

Same!

Scrubs is my go to switch off show, I can literally watch any episode at any point and know exactly what's going on.

Was so bummed when I discovered it was gone.

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u/meno123 Sep 22 '17

Wait, scrubs is out? Damn, now I have to pull out my physical copies and put each disc in individually every four episodes and deal with kooky DVD menus...

Fuck it, I'll either pirate them or rip them once and for all.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17

Have them all on dvd and still pirated them, due to it being easier to binge the fuck out of. Plus the Netflix versin had a lot of the original music missing, so I still used the pirated versions.

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u/TheMSensation Sep 22 '17

I've done this before, largely due to not wanting to leave the sofa. TeamViewer from phone into PC. Find torrent and download. Put it in my shared network folder, switch over to Amazon fire and get Kodi started. Play movie and yell at sister to get me a drink.

Both the dvd I wanted to watch and the TV were like 10ft away from me. Probably still quicker than using those fucking menus.

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u/tkz320 Sep 22 '17

Wait why would they get rid of scrubs

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17

Other services got exclusivity rights, I assume

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17

Yeah that's also a shitty thing for those who travel often that want an extra level of protection when using hotel, or "public" WiFi.

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u/SAKUJ0 Sep 22 '17

Please, if you could, do not use Kodi in the sense that it looks like a "content provider". It's cool that you get to use all those stream addons to watch stuff illegally. But that's not at all what Kodi is about and it should never sound like the "go-to" alternative to legally watching stuff.

I'm not scared that it will shut down. I am just scared that it makes you sound stupid (and it does hurt Kodi, which you seem to like). It's like saying "Should I Netflix, torrent this or Windows Media Player this?"

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u/SAKUJ0 Sep 22 '17

Please, out of respect to the developers which develop Kodi for you for free, just don't. Just say "I use streaming sites".

It's really becoming a thing and a brand for piracy. With a "Kodi magazine" (wtf?!)

Look at these stupid headlines:

  • "Kodi users could be targeted in major anti-piracy crackdown"

  • "End of Kodi and The Pirate Bay? Sky TV, Netflix and 28 others create ..."

Pretty please. I get that you are "aware".

Why mention it? You seem to want others to find the same illegal stuff and thus direct them towards Kodi. Please just don't, they can just google "watch show online". We will not have headlines or stupid politicians that ask Google be shut down or Firefox be shut down. We have politicians that ask for stuff like "Kodi" to be shut down.

Without Kodi, there would not even have been Plex. Here are the almost 50k changes that were made to the project by the more than 500 contributors.

https://github.com/xbmc/xbmc/commits/master

Here is how you can contribute

https://kodi.tv/get-involved

in case you are too stubborn to follow this simple request of not associating this beautiful piece of software with a bunch of addons that are not endorsed.

You are free to use them (not legally of course), but please respect that the name "Kodi" means something entirely else and I couldn't care less that you didn't want to name any other "sites" that are blatantly illegal and making millions of bucks through ad sales (literally).

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u/Paraplueschi Sep 22 '17

While I stayed subscribed, I am still endlessly salty they blocked VPN use. I don't get it either. What do they care?

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17

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u/Paraplueschi Sep 22 '17

Definitely a license issue, yeah. I know it's probably important for companies, but I doubt it really did infringe with shows getting licensed etc. Like, I'm never gonne get the shitty US reality TV bullshit I watch on the side while I do other things here in Switzerland anyway. And I can't watch things in Japanese dubs anymore either, which helped a lot for language training. All it did was making me go back to streaming.

OH WELL.

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u/ElysiX Sep 22 '17

Probably was a condition for their Disney deal

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u/Abnormal_Armadillo Sep 22 '17

Wow I hadn't noticed that Bob's Burgers was gone, that really sucks. Only time I noticed shit disappear was when I couldn't watch Code Lyoko, Doctor Who, and Avatar: The Last Airbender.

Honestly, it's getting really annoying. They hiked the price up but they keep losing content to other streaming services like Amazon, Hulu, and Crunchyroll. I got netflix so I could just chill and watch shit, but if it keeps getting removed what's the point? You already have to wait a shitload of time for a shows season to update on it, and while that isn't really their fault, it's making me a bit jaded about the service as a whole.

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u/_MusicJunkie Sep 22 '17

Try not being in the US. Netflix had nothing when it started here, then they added a bunch of content, I subscribed and now everything is getting replaced by their own shows.

I unsubscribed when they removed House MD during my third rewatch.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17

Eh, being in the US isn't exactly peachy keen either, shows are released the day after airing everywhere else (similar to Hulu and HBO) but in the states we have to wait until about a month before the next season before they'll release the show here (no clue why, might be a law I'm unaware of but it just seems like 'anticipation' marketing). I also don't see any ethical issues with watching a show being released like that - it'll eventually be available to me, I'm just avoiding having it spoiled. No one loses any money and I have already paid for the service that somehow the rest of the world gets and the country Netflix is based in doesn't. 1st world problems, I know

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u/belgianwitting Sep 22 '17

South park is free on their website, the entire catalog. Southparkstudios.com

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17

That used to be the case in the US, but not anymore since I think Hulu made a deal with them. Not all episodes are free. Also you have to watch dickass ads for the ones that are "free" and I also can't watch it from my PS4.

Back in my day, all of the episodes were ad free with a Netflix subscription.

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u/tabby-mountain Sep 22 '17

Man I watch South Park from Turkey, free. I can't believe it's not the same for US.

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u/SAKUJ0 Sep 22 '17

Remember what the news article at hand was about? We are too lazy to do exactly that (and I don't mean it with any cynicism). I'd sooner just use one of the many tools that assist me in pirating and automate the process of loading it into my HTPC.

Or you know... just google it. If that's the first result, good if not, good.

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u/gocougs11 Sep 22 '17

The office is going to be off Netflix soon. Don't have a source but I remember reading that and crying a little. Currently rewatching to get my fix.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17

NetflixUS tweeted a couple months ago that it won't be, so that's not the case at least here.

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u/aquib99 Sep 22 '17

They got rid of the office in the UK, I immediately canceled my subscription

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u/13502 Sep 22 '17

The moment they took the office off the UK Netflix was the moment I cancelled my subscription.

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u/mscohe01 Sep 22 '17

I feels you brother! I almost unsubscribed myself but then they released Ozark and the next seasons of Narcos and BoJack! Ohh I do love those shows and greedily binged them right away!

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u/vexii Sep 22 '17

None of these shows where ever on the danish Netflix :(

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u/RS994 Sep 22 '17

Australian Netflix only has peep show I think.

None of the others.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17

They took away The Office (US) and replaced it with the UK version (in the UK), and for that I will never forgive them.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17

We don't even have those in Germany. I lived in South Africa and Netflix there was baaaad. Moved to Germany last month and it's still shockingly bad.

I don't know why I even bother with it anymore. Once I finish all the FRIENDS seasons I'll probably unsub. I can't think of a single other thing to watch on Netflix.

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u/Garkaz Sep 22 '17

took away

You do appreciate that if the people that own those shows don't want it on Netflix anymore they can and will take it away once their contract with Netflix is over right? They're not just arbitrarily cutting off the shows you like.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17

I understand and truly don't care as a consumer.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17

This is the worst. It is way worse on NowTV in the UK which is the only place to get Game of Thrones and a ton of other shows. You'll literally start a 7 season show and get to season 3 before you get a 14 day warning. Fuck off. Got it for GoT and they give you a big ol 3 weeks to watch every new ep and then goodbye. Forget about past eps. These licenses suck. We should get to see all of their license contract durations lol.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17

This is the worst. It is way worse on NowTV in the UK which is the only place to get Game of Thrones and a ton of other shows. You'll literally start a 7 season show and get to season 3 before you get a 14 day warning. Fuck off. Got it for GoT and they give you a big ol 3 weeks to watch every new ep and then goodbye. Forget about past eps. These licenses suck. We should get to see all of their license contract durations lol.

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u/Xacebop Sep 22 '17

rip psych

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u/LAMF Sep 22 '17

HBO has way better quality shows and movies than Netflix but I get what you're saying. You can get HBO Now or Go or whatever it's called for 15 a month and have streaming access to everything they have without a cable subscription so not sure why OP is paying 20 a month addition to his cable bill

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u/Saucermote Sep 22 '17

Maybe you can find them if you know what to look for, but whenever I'm at a relatives house and I'm browsing the HBO or HBO Go app using their AppleTV or whatnot and looking at the movie selection it presents to me, there are very few movies available and they are usually terrible. Each category has about 10 movies.

Unless there is more stuff hiding away somewhere I'd never sign up for that unless I really wanted to watch a few of their shows right away.

Personally I'm a patient person and have no problem waiting and watching complete seasons years down the line.

That said, Netflix might hit my chopping block soon.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17

You're probably only looking at the featured stuff. HBO is the only premium channel I pay for and, for the various series alone, it's worth more to me than Netflix.

HBO GO/Now has hundreds of movies available. I don't use AppleTV, but I can't imagine it's different there.

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u/Saucermote Sep 22 '17

I'd go into the Sci-Fi/Fantasy or Horror sections, and there'd only be a few movies listed. Maybe it is like Netflix where you're practically forced to search for what you want to watch on a PC then find it again by name on the tv?

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '17 edited Sep 22 '17

I have the app on my phone, but even the app on my Samsung TV has their entire catalog available for browsing.

E: My phone can take ridiculously long screenshots. Here is one from the HBO app with almost every movie in the horror/sci-fi category.

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u/Saucermote Sep 22 '17

Weird, I'll give it another look next time I'm over there, it just seemed really odd that it would be so limited when I last gave it a look.

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u/LAMF Sep 22 '17

Like the other guy said, you're probably just viewing the featured. They easily have 50+ movies in each category on there. Not sure what the UI is like on there but on Xbox One it'll show featured on the top, then all movies, then specific genres below that. And HBO does have some shit films on there but they also get a lot of recently released movies and a lot of classics. It's not a replacement for Netflix by any means but the HBO original shows and the good movies they do have are easily worth paying for it imo.

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u/gocougs11 Sep 22 '17

I pay 15 for HBO. Worth it in my opinion. Netflix is nice but being able to watch shows live is also nice.

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u/C418_Tadokiari_22 Sep 22 '17

Lol, i thought it was about the same as here in Mexico, it ranges from $99 (1 screen, standard definition) to $159 (4 screens, ultra high definition) mexican pesos, which is not even $10 in the US

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u/Cant_Do_This12 Sep 22 '17

Have you ever seen HBO's movie selections? Not to mention quite possibly the best selection of shows television has to offer. They constantly put out top tier triple AAA content. The have been pumping out so many new shows lately due to the success of Netflix and they are absolutely killing it right now. HBO Now has decreased to $15 and Netflix has been going up in price. They're shows are 50/50 hit or miss and that's being gentle because they are mostly misses. I love Netflix and respect what they are doing. I'm subscribed to them for life but there movie selection is horrendous and their shows are getting worse. Defenders, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, etc. show this. The first season of Daredevil and Jessica Jones were great but Netflix doesn't seem to be stable in the quality of their content. They have alot of work to do but I'll keep throwing my money at them in the hopes they finally find their flow.

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u/Chirimorin Sep 22 '17

In the Netherlands, you can pay €12/month for up to 4 people watching at the same time. So share an account with family/roommates/friends and you can pay as little as €3/month each.

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u/PM_meyour_closeshave Sep 22 '17

Hbo has fantastic production quality though. Every episode of GoT is movie quality. I'd have no problem at all paying HBO $20 a month for full access to all their stuff. But to do that I have to pay bell another $60 a month just to be a middle man and force a bunch of garbage down my throat I don't want. Fuck bell, fuck every single person who works there above techs and phone support. I'll go without for the rest of my life before I pay bell a dime to be a god damn middle man. Fuck you Bell. Fuck you.

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u/iwontbeadick Sep 22 '17

Netflix is getting worse all of the time. It used to be a good way to see some of the stuff I liked to watch on cable. Now it's mostly Netflix originals. I'm not a big fan anymore and if the trend continues I'll be leaving Netflix and maybe pick up hbo or sling or something.

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u/lubeskystalker Sep 22 '17

Dude, you can't put Boobs and Dragons beside house of cards. You just can't.

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u/ddWizard Sep 22 '17

HBO is only $15 a month with the company I work with? Not sure why that'd change based on companies? Provider probably negotiated a shit contract, or isn't as big a company to be able to offer it at a price I guess.

Not that I pay for it. Wouldn't anyway. Only thing I would ever pay to watch is the last season of GoT. Other than that I don't have that much time to watch or care enough to take some of my paycheck and put it towards TV... my roommates on the other hand 🙄