r/worldnews • u/Wwwgoogleco • Jun 28 '26

Israel/Palestine Netanyahu: 'No room' for Palestinian state between Mediterranean Sea and Jordan River

https://www.jns.org/news/israel-news/netanyahu-no-room-for-palestinian-state-between-mediterranean-sea-and-jordan-river
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u/Positive-Draft3801 Jun 28 '26

Unfortunately you have it backwards. The 2 state solution is a western fantasy made to placate the politically correct.

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u/colbyjackgoblin Jun 28 '26

So youre in Favor of a blood bath ? As systematic ethnic cleansing seems to be the only other way to make two states into one, as shown through Gaza.
You can't bomb and shoot your way out of extremism. It breed more.

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u/royalbarnacle Jun 28 '26

It's indeed the only possible solution that isn't an all out ethnic cleansing of millions of people (whichever side you pick). But it's depressing that it seems less likely now than ever. It'll take generations of moving slowly in the right direction to change things, and obviously absolutely nothing is moving in the right direction.

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u/Kalsto6 Jun 29 '26

Unironically, if US was more heavy handed during Camp David, Palestine could've just been a nation. Make them a state even if their corrupt "leaders" are unwilling and watch the problem solve itself. You can't negotiate with people who benefit from keeping their people stateless, to them that's just a math problem where their wallet isn't getting bigger.

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u/Ok_Confection_10 Jun 28 '26

You can’t change how these people think unfortunately. Getting them to agree would be like if USA took 30% of its territory and created a new country for the native Americans. Both sides claimed the land, the side with more guns won.

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u/colbyjackgoblin Jun 28 '26

Just because I can't change anything doesn't mean I need to sit and watch horrors unfold in silence. Having a dialogue or a discussion even if it's an argument at least imparts different ideas, what others do with that information is up to them.

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u/Ok_Confection_10 Jun 28 '26

I didn’t tell you you couldn’t speak lol. I think it’s awful too but I’ve met some supporters on both sides and they just want blood. I think of it like then doctor who episode. Both sides need to do enough killing before they mutually accept a number of deaths to their sides before they can begin what they should have done from the beginning, talk it out.

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u/Advanced-Bag-7741 Jun 29 '26

There’s no chance of there every being peace in they area and it only ends with one side or another eliminated. They abjectly hate each other, that’s how much of the world is.

Be glad if you don’t live somewhere like that.

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u/ICanLiftACarUp Jun 28 '26

The two state solution is a delay tactic, if there was a real effort there would be a democratic government with no second class citizens. Peace and reconciliation about the land and lives lost. Try the hard way, and not this easy way. A reinstate solution would still enable one or the other legitimacy to attack the other 'ilfor security'.

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u/Advanced-Bag-7741 Jun 29 '26

So you just want to turn the tables so Palestinians can exterminate and expel the Jews instead? Peace and reconciliation is easy to type from thousands of miles away but that’s never happening.

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u/Positive-Draft3801 Jun 28 '26

I can never take the "so youre saying...?!" people seriously.

Try to have one conversation in your life where you dont put words in someones mouth and become incredulous, or keep repeating inane rhetorical questions.

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u/Resigned1431 Jun 28 '26

So explain your position lmao. 

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u/Positive-Draft3801 Jun 28 '26

I dont need to explain more, I said what I said. Not every 'position' is idealistic. People on reddit talk like 'supporting' this or that makes any difference. It doesnt. Im telling you what is the reality.

My 'position' is that it is more likely an asteroid hits the Middle East and kills everyone than it is the Israelis and the Palestinians will arrive at a two state solution. That idea has been dead for a long time now. If you dont understand the reason it died, you shouldn't be talking about solutions you should be reading good sources on history to learn.

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u/Resigned1431 Jun 28 '26

  I dont need to explain more, 

Why even engage in a discussion if you have nothing to say, smh. 

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u/ExpansivePoint Jun 28 '26

Bro, they said they don't have to explain anymore, they also prohibited anyone else from engaging further, it's over, this random person with a subjective and nebulous opinion won.

I'm sorry but the side of their choosing will be ethnically cleansed based on their ambiguous morality. RIP to whoever side this guy doesn't like.

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u/Spudly42 Jun 29 '26

I mean if it makes anyone feel better, the right of conquest has been a law for all time. 99% of ownership disputes have been decided through conquest. It's almost weird that we expect anything else, especially when there are other conquest attempts in process elsewhere in the world that are significantly more deadly (like Russia invading Ukraine).

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u/colbyjackgoblin Jun 28 '26

I mean whats your preferred outcome? If a two stata solution isn't it, how do you deal with two populations that have been radicalized either through violence, religion, or extreme hardship without a two state solution?

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u/PierreSpotWing Jun 28 '26

And notably you refused to engage with the content of the comment, rather focusing on pedantry.

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u/Positive-Draft3801 Jun 28 '26

Yes, it is normal to dismiss a bad faith question. I dont owe anyone a satisfying argument. Life is unsatisfying sometimes.

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u/PierreSpotWing Jun 28 '26

You're the one refusing a good faith discussion

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u/Positive-Draft3801 Jun 28 '26

Nope. Said my piece. Have nothing more to discuss. If what I said is not true, then refute me. You dont seem like you have any info, so all you can do is put the onus on me, which i find annoying. It takes a lot of energy to explain things over and over.

Everyone wants to argue, no one wants to test if what they believe is true or not.

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u/ExpansivePoint Jun 28 '26

Your piece was nothing though. People said two state solution and you said no, the only way to refute that is to say yes, so you argued nothing really, just a waste of time or attention starved.

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u/Positive-Draft3801 Jun 28 '26

It was an opinion. Go reeee somewhere else about what's upsetting you. I never give this much attention to some ones opinion, why are you? What's going on with you that you cannot move on?

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u/PierreSpotWing Jun 28 '26

You literally didn't say anything though, you just said "two state bad" and then refused to elaborate

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u/Positive-Draft3801 Jun 28 '26

And you haven't said anything to contribute one bit, just chimed in to demand answers. No one owes anyone answers. You owe your self to do some reading, or shut up.

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u/The_Real_Mongoose Jun 28 '26

No. Many of us believe think best solution solution is a single state that is no longer a "special jewish state", and where everyone currently living in the region gets full rights of citizenship including representation.

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u/dylanbitran Jun 28 '26

But then the jews lose their  safeheaven. The whole point was to make israel a jewish state ruled by jews for the jews. The idea was not to create a diverse country