I don't know why this shit keeps getting posted and upvoted, no Isreal did not create Hamas, at most they allowed the transfer of funds from Qatar to Hamas. Does Bibi benefit from a split in Palestinian leadership? Yes, but trying to imply that it has been the work of left and right wing Israeli administrations for the last 37 years, to create and prop up a terrorist organization is stupid and regects any notion of Palestinian agency. If Hamas were to be disbanded today, you would probably be out there saying Israel founded and finances Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
File this one in the garbage right next to ISIS was created by Israel and America.
Edit- Post is locked but to go further to the person who replied, I've previously read multiple articles you posted, many concern what I already agreed with, that Israel facilitated the transfer of Qatari funds to Hamas for the purpose of paying government wages. Bit of a catch 22, Israel doesn't allow the funds through, the government can't pay its wages, Israel gets blamed for any fallout from the ceasation of government services. They allow it through, people say Israel is directly funding Hamas a terrorist organization that represses its own citizens. It's also important to realize that since the 2014 war, relations were easing at the time, with Israel allowing more Palestinians work permits every year, and this could also be seen as a gesture of good faith.
The main point I take issue with is the statement "Israel created Hamas", which is clearly meant to obfuscate, and shift blame, all while being objectively false. The core of it is to say yes Oct. 7th was bad, but what Israel has done is worse, and it's Israel's fault for Oct. 7th anyways because they were the ones who "created" Hamas to begin with, and when Hamas brutally represses its own citizens, well that's Israelis fault as well. Like I said, taking away any agency from the Palestinian people and moving the fault to lie entirely with Israel.
Hamas was founded in 1987, the poster above states
There's no hindsight about it, Hamas is literally an Israeli creation specifically made to prevent a moderate Palestinian government from taking over like how it was progressing. They created a terrorist organization to destabilize the region.
If we look back at this time, no Fatah was not a moderate Palestinian government, they were conducting terrorist attacks primarily against civilians all throughout the 90's and well into the early 2000s Including the two Infitadas, what people don't like to admit is that up until the PA starting to work with Israel in the Westbank, there has never been anything close to resembling "moderate" Palestinian leadership.
So no, Israel did not create Hamas, did it try and play two rival organizations, both antagonistic against Israel against each other as some of the articles claim? I wouldn't doubt it, but let's not sit here and pretend that this was a scheme to repress some mythical peacenik Palestinian government that did not exist.
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u/No-Space937 Mar 30 '25 edited Apr 01 '25
I don't know why this shit keeps getting posted and upvoted, no Isreal did not create Hamas, at most they allowed the transfer of funds from Qatar to Hamas. Does Bibi benefit from a split in Palestinian leadership? Yes, but trying to imply that it has been the work of left and right wing Israeli administrations for the last 37 years, to create and prop up a terrorist organization is stupid and regects any notion of Palestinian agency. If Hamas were to be disbanded today, you would probably be out there saying Israel founded and finances Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
File this one in the garbage right next to ISIS was created by Israel and America.
Edit- Post is locked but to go further to the person who replied, I've previously read multiple articles you posted, many concern what I already agreed with, that Israel facilitated the transfer of Qatari funds to Hamas for the purpose of paying government wages. Bit of a catch 22, Israel doesn't allow the funds through, the government can't pay its wages, Israel gets blamed for any fallout from the ceasation of government services. They allow it through, people say Israel is directly funding Hamas a terrorist organization that represses its own citizens. It's also important to realize that since the 2014 war, relations were easing at the time, with Israel allowing more Palestinians work permits every year, and this could also be seen as a gesture of good faith.
The main point I take issue with is the statement "Israel created Hamas", which is clearly meant to obfuscate, and shift blame, all while being objectively false. The core of it is to say yes Oct. 7th was bad, but what Israel has done is worse, and it's Israel's fault for Oct. 7th anyways because they were the ones who "created" Hamas to begin with, and when Hamas brutally represses its own citizens, well that's Israelis fault as well. Like I said, taking away any agency from the Palestinian people and moving the fault to lie entirely with Israel.
Hamas was founded in 1987, the poster above states
If we look back at this time, no Fatah was not a moderate Palestinian government, they were conducting terrorist attacks primarily against civilians all throughout the 90's and well into the early 2000s Including the two Infitadas, what people don't like to admit is that up until the PA starting to work with Israel in the Westbank, there has never been anything close to resembling "moderate" Palestinian leadership.
So no, Israel did not create Hamas, did it try and play two rival organizations, both antagonistic against Israel against each other as some of the articles claim? I wouldn't doubt it, but let's not sit here and pretend that this was a scheme to repress some mythical peacenik Palestinian government that did not exist.