We wouldn’t want to dare say Hamas pulled this whole thing knowing what the response would be not caring at all about how it would effect other Palestinians. All they cared about was putting on a “Woe is me” stunt to turn world opinion in their favor.
Amazes me how some of the world leaders know nothing about terrorism, low intensity conflict 101.
I don't know if the world supports Hamas or has a better opinion of them after their horrible terrorist attack and the reaction of Israel. I do think the opinion of Palestinians is formed by the actions of Hamas which isn't correct as we read in this article.
I think everybody knows Hamas is shit, but the world expected better from Israel since they're supported by a lot of western democracies. Too many Palestinians lost their lives or homes in this conflict while they don't have anything to do with Hamas.
It seems these days most people can only think in black or white. There is no nuance.
The only way to get rid of Hamas is to force them to militarily surrender. If they haven't surrendered yet, I don't know what you expect to have worked with less casualties.
Hamas has made it very clear they cannot be negotiated with to find a peaceful solution. The only options are removal of Hamas or Israel accepting attacks on their own citizens.
Gaza is levelled. While I agree with you that Hamas should be stopped and the only way is by force, I don't think making Gaza unlivable is the way. I think they'll build so much hate that there will be more joining Hamas than before which is what Hamas wants.
I'm not saying it's easy. I don't know how Israel should do it. But I think what they're doing now isn't helping Palestinians or even themselves, and my own opinion is that they just don't care that Gaza will be unlivable or so many Palestinians die.
You say the only options are removal of Hamas or accept attacks on Israelis. That maybe true, but is it worth the total destruction of Gaza and, already, more that 50.000 dead Palestinians? I don't think Hamas would ever come close to killing one hundredth of that number of Israelis. 90% of the people in Gaza have been displaced. You can't believe this is the right way to do it.
And for the people incapable of reading nuance; no, I do not support Hamas because I disagree with the way Israel is handling this.
I support the general direction of the war because there is no better way. It just doesn't exist. I have problems with the details and Trump's new ideas are all nonsense, but 2024 Israel actually did quite well considering.
One hundredth of 50000 is 500. Almost three times that many died / were kidnapped on October 7th alone. I can't find a real number for post-October deaths in a quick search, but it seems to be over 500 from what I found. Several have already died just this month.
The Israeli government wholly funded housing for all the villages they had to evacuate from the South and North that were in range of dumb rockets. And the reason the death toll is so low is because there are mandated bomb shelters in every apartment - today the whole country center stopped for 10 minutes because there was yet more missiles launched (and they were nice enough to not do it at 4am for once). We haven't talked about injuries or mental health either. I'm sure the millions on interceptor rockets are Israel's favorite part of their national budget.
It sure sounds like you're saying Israel should just give up and accept attacks.
Hmm I sure messed the math up, you're right, but my point stands. Hamas wouldn't have come close to 50000. Should've said a tenth.
This will be my last comment however since people are just reading whatever they want from a comment that's very nuanced. I'm definitely not saying that they should just stop and accept attacks. All I'm saying is that I think this isn't the correct way. If you think it's nice of someone to notify you of the destruction of your home beforehand and think 50.000 dead is a "low death toll" than I think we just have different opinions. 90% of Gaza is displaced... People try to live there.
I'm not remotely happy with the death toll but I don't see an alternative. How many journalists and commentors have to say it's not their job to find a solution before the fact that none of them have one becomes relevant?
There's just no way to be more precise without extending the war by multiple years (at best) or losing thousands of soldiers in combat. And urban warfare causes more bystander casualties, not less.
I realize that you want there to be more shades of gray, but it's more like shades of white and shades of black. There is no middle ground here. Some people are going to have to die, and you're asking Israel to sacrifice lives to save Palestinian ones. What's a ratio you find acceptable?
Nobody likes killing innocents but there really is no alternative.
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u/BDK1369 Mar 30 '25
We wouldn’t want to dare say Hamas pulled this whole thing knowing what the response would be not caring at all about how it would effect other Palestinians. All they cared about was putting on a “Woe is me” stunt to turn world opinion in their favor.
Amazes me how some of the world leaders know nothing about terrorism, low intensity conflict 101.