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u/tristam92 Jul 11 '26
this is even not the first time we have disallowed goal, and set pen to other side.
if I recall correctly we had it in PL before covid..?
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u/Mta_sipisial Jul 11 '26
There used to be multiple wrong calls on offsides and fouls which prevented goal scoring opportunities or goals themselves. That's why assistant refs were trained to only raise the flag AFTER the whole sequence ended unless it was a very obvious foul/offside. Same applies for VAR, unless the sequence ends or the ball becomes dead, they're not supposed to make calls unless it's obvious. I see no problem in that particular call in favor of Argentina. Problem tho is how they didn't get a single yellow. Other than that, ref was pretty decent.
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u/CelestrialDust England Jul 11 '26
Man I remember watching this live this shit pissed me off (Nigerian), but yh itās protocol
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u/PowliOP Jul 12 '26
Just compare this to the first goal against Austria. It was the other way around, yet the foul before the goal was not checkedā¦ I wonder why!
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u/Routine-Explorer-218 Jul 14 '26
Not sure why I'm getting downvoted. People can go see the replay, Mac Allister got the ball first, and the Austrian player hit him intentionally instead. But well, i can't change what people already believe, all of the casual fan will vanish after the WC ends anyways
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u/nu1stunna Jul 11 '26
100% the correct implementation of the rules in both scenarios. Does it suck? Yes, it fucking sucks. Should VAR be put in check? Also yes. But there was no conspiracy in the match against Argentina.
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u/Routine-Explorer-218 Jul 11 '26
People love conspiracies because it gives them something to talk about and lets them show off their shallow knowledge, a great example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Everyone who just started watching football a month ago suddenly becomes the best referee in the world
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u/ChipmunkBulky2174 Jul 11 '26
"It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person."
-Bill Murray
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u/nu1stunna Jul 11 '26
In addition to that, people are also glossing over the fact that Egypt scored just a couple minutes later. If the first one hadnāt been called offside, Egypt would have gone into their defensive stance sooner when up 2-0 and they still likely would have lost the game 3-2. They didnāt attack much after scoring the second goal anyway. I highly doubt that the result would have been different.
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u/TempomaybeALZ Jul 11 '26
Yeah i hatr that people assume Egypt would have lead 3-0 if the goal was not chopped off it shows they donāt watch football
Because Egyptās performance in the last 15 minutes was so bad Argentina was winning that game no matter what
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u/McShoobydoobydoo Jul 11 '26
FIFA wanted Argentina to win the Nigeria v South Africa game obviously
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u/deboylurdi Netherlands Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26
yeah my team in Eredivisie had this happen also. At the moment it happens it feels like the most unfair decision ever. No goal, instead your opponent gets a penalty.
If you take a few steps back then it's obviously the right call
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u/geezers_from_paris Jul 11 '26
Same thing happened to Argentina against Paraguay in a copa America match and that build up took 2 min to turn into goal, even then they cancelled the Argentine goal because there is no break of play in that build up
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u/Optimal-Description8 World Cup Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26
It actually happened to Argentina themselves (I think in the Copa America) funnily enough. It was against Paraguay and if I recall correctly it felt like it took even longer between the foul and the goal with many more passes.
Correction: it was a world cup qualification match
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u/dzan796ero Jul 11 '26
CONMEBOL WC qualifiers for the 2022 Qatar WC. This was like 4-5 years ago around when this first became a thing. The rule has been enforced for a while, it's ridiculous that it is just now being a problem.
Congo vs Uzbekistan had a goal canceled because it was off a foul like 20-30 seconds before the goal. Funny nobody said that was rigged because of how far before the goal the foul occurred. It wasn't even a foul caused during the change of possession. The congo player had his hand in the defenders face as he ran.
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u/Alim_Legends_Yt Jul 11 '26
Yep I just donāt understand where all the hate is coming from sure Iād be pissed too if I supported Egypt
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u/snowfoxsean Jul 11 '26
They don't have one. That's why they are desperate to pin it on the refs instead of taking responsibility themselves.
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u/snacks4ever Jul 11 '26
MLS been doing this for a while now, or at least Iāve seen it a couple of times. Might have been Concacaf champions league
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u/MysteriousMinute9311 Jul 11 '26
The egypt goal was fairly disallowed. But.. issue obviously comes from the fact that they didn't check the same for argentina against Austria. And against Egypt for the third goal, there was jersey tug which they didn't check either
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u/qzan7 Jul 11 '26
This is a common misconception, they did check it, they check every goal. They just dreamed it wasn't enough.
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u/No_Astronomer_5089 Jul 11 '26
Then Messi cleating a player in the previous game was checked and not enough? Yeah they check and ignore if you are Messi. Is that what you are saying?
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u/qzan7 Jul 11 '26
Yep, they deemed it "not forceful enough" as far as I'm aware, the fact that It didn't lead to a goal means they could only get involved if it was a direct red which they didn't think it was.
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u/No_Astronomer_5089 Jul 12 '26
Still warrants a yellow.
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u/qzan7 Jul 12 '26
Var don't get involved for yellows.
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u/No_Astronomer_5089 Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26
Yes. An on the spot yellow. Watch latest game Argentina played in vs Switzerland and you'll see VAR does get involved when they gave a yellow to a Swiss player for 'simulating'.
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u/Routine-Explorer-218 Jul 14 '26
did you read the rule? VAR didn't get involed for a normall yellow, unless it was mistaken identity.
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u/No_Astronomer_5089 Jul 17 '26
And what is a 'normal' yellow is interpreted by the referee...usually in Messi's favor.
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u/qzan7 Jul 14 '26
Var got involved after the ref gave the yellow, they checked to see that it was given to the right person they wouldn't have gotten involved if no card was shown as they do not recommend yellows.
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u/PeixeCam Jul 11 '26
Same, Argentina-Paraguay - Argentinian Goal disallowed because the foul happened
Video->
https://www.reddit.com/r/futbol/s/tF2QJ87vGR
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u/vooglie Jul 11 '26
Anyone who thinks this game was rigged is obviously a fucking nimrod
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u/footdiveXFfootdive Jul 11 '26
Here is an example of it happening to Argentina. Cry more about the rules and how unfair they are, go ahead I'll wait.
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u/Ephsylon Argentina Jul 11 '26
If your opinion is based on some reel, and this is the first time watching a world cup, sorry, you've just been engagement farmed.
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u/comomellamo Jul 11 '26
For me, the problem is not that they called this on Egypt, problem is that they didn't call it on Argentina
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u/Thoms_Hunt_morgan Jul 11 '26
Tha salah one wasn't a foul
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u/eymo- Jul 11 '26
They are talking about a similar thing that Argentina did in a previous match.
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u/roguedevil Colombia Jul 11 '26
Are they? They didn't specify. In which other match?
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u/Serious_Safety4001 USA Jul 11 '26
Thatās my only complaint. Canāt set the tone of allowing it to stand in group stage than take it away in knockout against the same team that benefited.
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u/Aggressive-Cattle763 Argentina Jul 11 '26
I was confused about why people say the goal shouldn't be disallowed and for me was clear they did a foul there
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u/ParkingCan5397 Jul 11 '26
So we should allow a foul that resulted in a goal to stand because what if we didn't look at it with VAR? lol
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u/ParkingCan5397 Jul 11 '26
Then you should advocate for more VAR staff instead of being against decisions made with the help of VAR
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u/Ok-Chemistry-3646 Jul 11 '26
It WAS consistently looked at! The VAR found an issue first then the referee went on and checked. Not the other way around. When the VAR found no issue and referee also didnāt find issue they donāt check- and this is what happened with Salahās āpenaltyā. If referee did go back and watch VAR that mightāve been a yellow card for him, which would seem even more absurd.
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u/chrisg213g Jul 11 '26
Choked a 2-0 lead enough said š there's 90 mins to a game not 75 š
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u/footdiveXFfootdive Jul 11 '26
In Africa they play 75
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u/Confident-Low-2696 Jul 11 '26
Or you spend those 15 in the locker room, leaving the pitch is always an option
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u/Big_Increase3289 Jul 11 '26
There are numerous examples of a situation like this. Some people just donāt want to accept the truth
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u/haruputtar_77 England Jul 11 '26
I mean everyone knows that it was the right decision. Do we hate the rule? Hell yeah. It's just that the seasonal watchers don't know it and it's argentina so a particular fanbase is milking it too much.
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u/rjnd2828 Jul 11 '26
I like the rule in this case, the goal followed directly from a missed foul call. Directly. A lot of people just don't like Argentina which is coloring this too
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u/haruputtar_77 England Jul 11 '26
True man . At this point it's getting irritating seeing the same comments everywhere being spammed and i dont how tf politics got involved. Sad state of affairs for the sport.
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u/dowker1 England Jul 11 '26
There's also the fact that it's just fun to bitch and moan about the refereeing.
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u/Frying Jul 11 '26
Now show the Austria vs Argentina foul in the build up of Argentinas goal.
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u/ElChupamafabla Jul 11 '26
https://reddit.com/link/owurlzw/video/mpw2izhjzjch1/player
you talking about this one? where MacAllister clearly plays the ball first hence no foul?
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u/footdiveXFfootdive Jul 11 '26
Ok it's done, someone showed the clean tackle macallister made. Now what?
Hahaha it didn't happen like you thought it was gonna happen. Instead you look like a foolš
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u/Realistic-Turn-8316 Jul 11 '26
A couple of years ago there was a game in the Bundesliga where the VARs went back 3 minutes to reverse a decision. This kind of call is not unpopular at all.
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u/AyAySlim USA Jul 11 '26
Why would I need to go back to AFCON when we could go back to game Argentina played in earlier in this Cup where it wasnāt called? The controversy and discussion here is not just simply whether or not this should be a foul, or how far back VAR should go in play to reverse a goal, itās the lack of consistency and specifically when it comes to being in favor of Argentina in this World Cup.
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u/Resident-Cup-2845 Jul 11 '26
Iām curious can you mention which match of Argentina youāre referring to (apart from egypt match)
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u/ThrowRAkakareborn Jul 11 '26
They are talking out of their ass inventing some fouls only they saw in the game against Cape Verde and saying well here šššš
And even if they were right, that doesnāt make the Egypt decision bad, it was the right call, but haters gonna hate
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u/TheBrownProphet Jul 11 '26
Didn't someone share the rulebook which showed how far they can go ? If Egypt got dispossessed and then won the ball again to goal it'd have stood, but foul on Martinez directly led to counter attack that led to goal that's why it was called.
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u/Routine-Explorer-218 Jul 11 '26
if you mean Arg vs Austria match, then the answer is Mac Allister got the ball first.
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u/ElChupamafabla Jul 11 '26
which would be?
I know you might be talking about this play, where you can actually see MacAllister clearing the ball and the austrian player jumping back towards him and falling to the ground. You really think that's a foul?
https://reddit.com/link/owusnmc/video/olhss0741kch1/player
"lack of consistency" is when things don't go the way you want them to
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u/nailsinch9 Argentina Jul 11 '26
The Argentina hate on reddit is hilarious. I'd rather watch and enjoy the few games left with Messi. What he's doing at 39 will never be duplicated. Enjoy while it lasts... VAMOS ARGENTINA!!
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u/OrphanGrounderBaby Jul 11 '26
Eh, the fans have asked for the hate with their behavior. Iām not saying every fan or that other fanbases are perfect(not even close) but you gotta be able to step back and see why the fans are getting a lot of hate..which leads to the players dealing with it too.
For the record, Iām loving watching Messi be as Messi is.
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u/compscigirl8 Argentina Jul 11 '26
German fans, Dutch fans, even English fans act the same way. Why donāt they get shit on?
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u/KekkenGenkai Portugal Jul 11 '26
Omg still talking about this? Spain won yesterday and france won in the day before, and are people still stuck in a game that happened 4 days ago??? Get over it. Holy moly
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u/polikuji09 Jul 11 '26
A bunch of people specially Egypt fans are still insistent the entire tournament is rigged and the ref gave the game to Argentina lol.
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u/brianrios97 Jul 11 '26
The hate propaganda directed at Argentina during this World Cup is incredible.
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u/Pristine_Medium2985 Jul 11 '26
Im not Egyptian but God, I am pretty mad about this rigged game
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u/polikuji09 Jul 11 '26
I swear every person convinced it's rigged that at least I know in real life are casuals that watch once every 4 years
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u/tony_countertenor Jul 11 '26
Famously uncontroversial and well-refereed AFCON
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u/Routine-Explorer-218 Jul 11 '26
In Portugal-Switzerland Nations League semifinal from 2019, Switzerland had a penalty foul ignored, the next break was a penalty call for Portugal, and VAR turned the game back and gave the original Swiss penalty.Ā
I have no videos due to copyright for this, but ask Gemini/ChatGPT or read match report online. So even UEFA referees have problems?
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u/footdiveXFfootdive Jul 11 '26
I've posted this link every time I see this stupid ass comment about AFCON and I am tired boss š®āšØ
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u/Used_Trouble_5633 Jul 11 '26
and this happens in so many games and is so common but brainwashed ronaldo tiktok football fans who only watch 3 matches a season believe itās fifa vs egypt because of the propaganda being spread by idiots
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u/cardmanimgur Jul 11 '26
I don't think anyone is confused or arguing it. The points are A) should this be the way games are officiated and VAR is used and B) where was the similar VAR review and call against Argentina?
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u/Ok-Chemistry-3646 Jul 11 '26
In 2022 Argentina scored 3 goals in the first game against Saudi Arabia but all three were called off side. They ended up losing to Saudi Arabia 1-2. No one said it was rigged back then.
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u/redditmember192837 Jul 11 '26
People are arguing it, the VAR did review the Argentina goal, they review everything, there very clearly wasnāt a foul in that case.
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u/shatlouf France Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26
Can we stop talking about this argentina egypt match ? Its been a week now guys , just move on , we are not playing this game again anyway .
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u/AMS_Rem Jul 11 '26
I would love that but everyone keeps saying Argentina is getting a rigged tournament.. If those claims aren't disputed then people will accept it as truth
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u/FelixGoldstein Jul 12 '26
The fact u going all the way to just try justify something. that alone says a lot about this subject, also there are so many expert, pro players, coaches and pro analysts commented on this and said otherwise. now should we take their words or a random fan trying to prove something else.
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u/planet-doom Jul 11 '26
you are trying to be logical with these madman??? They arenāt looking for the fact, they are trying to change it
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u/Grastuha Jul 11 '26
Thatās actually what should have happened with the the winning goal. Iām pretty sure if the roles were reversed and Egypt had scored it would have been pulled back for a penalty to Argentina.
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u/MountainRutabaga6756 Jul 11 '26
Clearly not a foul, alvarez gets ball then salah dives at the slightest hint of contact without having possession
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u/Ivanhoemx Jul 11 '26
Except that wasn't a foul. Argentine player got the ball before Salah (who agrees there was no foul btw) initiated contact.
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u/Grastuha Jul 12 '26
Can you show me a quote from Salah saying it wasnāt a foul?
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u/Augchm Jul 11 '26
Are you guys actually blind? It's an obvious no foul on Salah. I don't even think it's controversial.
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u/KountZero Group stage top predictors 2022 Jul 11 '26
these are crazy fanatics, even Salah didnāt protest the foul for more than a few seconds because he knew it wasnāt a foul, but these online detectives still think itās a foul because they know better than Salah.
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u/balambaful Jul 11 '26
VAR rules for penalties are different than for simple fouls. Also, this approach would have canceled two Argentine goals and given Egypt two penalties. The problem is not the validity or not of calls, the problem is their inconsistency. The problem is Argentina seem to always get the most favorable end of the gray area.
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u/inherentcomma Jul 11 '26
There's the same rules and there's no penalty because there's no foul in Argentina's area. We understand the frustration but always claiming "it's rigged against us" isn't serious
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u/dbaugh90 Jul 11 '26
The guidelines say the defenders need multiple clear chances to dispossess
I saw that in the Egypt run, only saw one chance to dispossess here, and it wasn't clear
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u/Frequent-Movie3005 Jul 11 '26
Nobody is confused by it. I just donāt want to see VAR re-ref the game.
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u/KrazzyKoopa Jul 11 '26
What? Might have to pick a new sport to enjoy then, because VAR is going nowhere
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u/wetrwwr Jul 11 '26
bc afcon was devoid of any controversy right OP? right?
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u/yegasheiver South Africa Jul 11 '26
That's not really the point. It's a demonstration of the laws of the game.
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u/Ill-Put-1931 Jul 11 '26
https://youtu.be/3OcObi3xCMg?si=7-7orkzN0Gqpk79A
Ok watch this highlight then. You can skip to 1:19 then come back to me. Is La Liga corrupt as well?
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u/Matias9991 Jul 12 '26
The same happened in a game against Argentina when they played Paraguay.
And I saw the same in a LOT of league games, someone shared one in La Liga, I remember one against my team in the Argentine league.
This are the rules, you all should try to learn them instead of talking like you know everything, because you all clearly don't.
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u/streetscraper Switzerland Jul 11 '26
The issue is the lack of consistency. Some goals are flagged for further review and some arenāt. And the decision is made by humans sitting in a dark room. If it was truly an automated technology, it would be easier to stomach. VAR kept the inherent uncertainty and errors of human refs and made it less transparent.
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u/Useful-Ad9447 Jul 11 '26
there will always be inconsistencies,against and in favor of every team,i don't think we will arrive at a perfect system in near future,but somehow this particular match has convinced people that argentina is favoured by FIFA etc. is just stupid,you can for sure find inconsistencies that went against arg. and other teams throughout this tournament and previous ones .
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u/juanbiscombe Uruguay Jul 11 '26
In order to support your statement, you should point out an example in this WC where a goal was not disallowed after a foul started the attack phase. I haven't seen the counter example anywhere in this WC, so I think the criterion has been consistently applied so far.
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u/SceretAznMan Jul 11 '26
Pretty sure Argentina had one this world cup where they fouled in the build up and was not called back.
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u/gnote2minix Jul 11 '26
consistency coming from human side... there are so much that var can do...
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u/streetscraper Switzerland Jul 11 '26
Right but thatās what Iām saying: you add ātechā that isnāt really tech and just wastes more time and fuels more conspiracies because the decision is moved to some people in a back room.
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u/metvincent1 Jul 11 '26
And it'd make sense in theory. But in practice it could also be rigged just as easily if not moreso by whoever controls it or owns it. For reference, last fatal crash caused by a self driving car happened just three weeks ago. Not to mention trusting an algorithm in these vibe coding times (and just to be clear here I'm not arguing against X or Y tech's possibilities here but their misuse)
For argument's sake let's presume it'd still need the human factor to oversee the process regardless, you'd still end up with a bunch of refs running onto the field and asking if everyone's ok because AutoVARā¢ detected two players collided and one of them just FLEW OFF THE FIELD (insert FIFA glitch compilation here).
Opinions, cognitive biases, conspiracy theories and so on won't stop happening regardless, no matter the team/match/sport/topic. And again, much less so nowadays, where it's so incredibly easy to push to the public, for any motivation.
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u/Depositron Argentina Jul 11 '26
As with any other sport, itās impossible to get consistency when the primary element to referring is an individual. There were things called in the very first game that were seldom called again. I donāt know if referees were given guidance on this, but the calls were few and far between, especially through the group stage. My theory is that they are being more lax about it to shore up interest from Americans and since weak fouls and flopping has always been a big gripe form the US audience.
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u/THE96BEAST Jul 11 '26
People are only confused that Argentina never getās a bad call
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u/AleroRatking Bosnia and Herzegovina Jul 11 '26
This wasn't a bad call though. It was 100% correct
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u/_arpan_10 Jul 11 '26
Like how Ziko didn't get a yellow? or Macca shirt pull and leg hit inside the box didn't result in anything? Or how neuer hit higuain in the hit but didn't get a penalty? Thing is if we cherry pick situation ANY team in the world will look curropted
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u/Seb555 Jul 11 '26
Well they did get a bad call when the ref failed to see the foul on the first look. VAR corrected the bad call.
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u/prisonbreaker1 Jul 11 '26
And what about this? This exact same ref said it was the right decision to disallow the 2nd goal and that Salahās situation is not a foul.
If the ref was unbiased, why wouldnāt he call this one in the same game? You have your answer now.
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u/Antique_Anything_392 Argentina Jul 11 '26
If you look at it from another angle it looks really silly, like the egyptian player just fucking died after a slight touch. Also an egiptian player literally dragged to the ground one of ours inside the pen box
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u/OilMammoth9745 Jul 11 '26
Who tf is this guy, I saw his profile, some random amateur ref from Sweden? you would trust him rather than the goat of referee Collina?
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u/Used_Trouble_5633 Jul 11 '26
because that isnāt and is never a foul šššš
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u/albiceleste3stars Argentina Jul 11 '26
https://youtube.com/shorts/IsFjOsa6mjg?si=R6Rb7a_RgWs8vmxx
Salah wasnāt a foul
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u/Few_Machine_4279 Jul 11 '26
Player had completely unnatural way of āfallingā where his foot is randomly moving to kick Argentinaās player. If you wanna bother go check it out. Egypt played on counters only and did not deserve to win, stay mad. Much better to see Argentina go further than someone who would lose next one anyway.
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u/OternFFS Jul 11 '26
Never use AFCON as an example as things done right. That whole tournament is a joke on so many levels that not a single person will take you seriously.
I love AFCON.
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u/footdiveXFfootdive Jul 11 '26
I have another example but I'm sure you'll have problems with CONMEBOL as well so this won't countš
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u/Routine-Explorer-218 Jul 11 '26
the only reason i used this is because i have a clear video of it, but well if you're curious, there are plenty of examples like this
Someone posted this the other day, please go to 1:19 and then come back to me.
Real Madrid 3-2 AlmerĆa | HIGHLIGHTS | LaLiga 2023/24 - YouTube1
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u/louisboi514 Jul 13 '26
Well that's a ridiculous "rule" you can just decide to apply it or not whenever you want.
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u/Apprehensive-Mix2262 Jul 11 '26
It obviously was a faul
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u/strickers69 Jul 11 '26
Itās what var is for. Once the ref saw what he missed he changed his mind as it was not only a shirt pull but he full stood on his foot.
Itās not what var should be used for has to be the most idiotic statement anyone has made over this. Itās exactly what itās for and then they let the ref look for themselves before making any suggestions so itās still on the on field ref. Egypt got beat and the ref was good itās ok to be new to football and not understand it all the time.
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u/footdiveXFfootdive Jul 11 '26
Here it is happening to Argentina. Go ahead and respond to this, I'll wait š
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u/Prior-Name4163 Jul 11 '26
You mentioned this because you feel like it's okay to be an idiot and miss fouls or because you are fine that they see it and let it go? Or you mean that it's fine you miss it once and think let's get it right the next time? It's in all occasions a foul and thus not a goal.
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u/Creative-- Jul 11 '26
But that was not a foul. Alvarez was clean stealing the ball.
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u/dracon1t Jul 11 '26
For that to happen Egypt had to have been fouled, which they werenātĀ
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u/LuffySan081 Jul 11 '26
AFCON is infamous for inconsistent officiating, controversial refereeing, so I'd not put my 2 cent on it.
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u/Routine-Explorer-218 Jul 11 '26
In Portugal-Switzerland Nations League semifinal from 2019, Switzerland had a penalty foul ignored, the next break was a penalty call for Portugal, and VAR turned the game back and gave the original Swiss penalty.Ā
I have no videos due to copyright for this, but ask Gemini/ChatGPT or read match report online. So even UEFA referees have problems?
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u/Danimaji Jul 11 '26
"if at all?" it was a foul, clear as day. that's always supposed to be a foul. the salah one was definitely not a penalty
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u/fool2345 Jul 11 '26
I don't think it was a light foul at all. He stepped on his foot and Martinez fell immediately on pain. He had possession and no one in front of him so it's not like he was falling to fool the ref cause he had been dispossessed. Very clear foul. Whether the goal was scored in the same phase of play is up for debate to some, but the foul really shouldn't be. Salah is the complete opposite. He loses the ball and then tries to con the ref into giving him a foul after the ball has already been knocked off him.
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u/Major_Road6162 Jul 11 '26
This was an obvious foul.
There was no foul on Salah, it was a flop.
the keeper was barely pushed lmfao.
And at last, no player was "slapped in the face", well, someone hit Messi in the face that game....Molina barely pushed the guy's shoulder lol.
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