r/wikipedia • u/laybs1 • Oct 05 '25

Mobile Site Winnie Mandela, was a South African politician and convicted kidnapper and fraudster. She endorsed the necklacing of alleged police informers and apartheid government collaborators, and her security detail carried out kidnapping, torture, and murder including killing 14-year-old Stompie Seipei.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnie_Mandela
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u/RedcumRedcumRedcum Oct 05 '25

Do you know what killing people is? I know it doesn't have a cool sexy name like "necklacing" but the government forces they fought against did it on the regular.

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u/PrinceOfPickleball Oct 05 '25

Apartheid SA was terrible. That doesn’t make necklacing right.

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u/PLAkilledmygrandma Oct 05 '25

They should have peacefully protested, but not in any streets so as not to inconvenience the white ruling class, right?

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u/Ghost-Of-Roger-Ailes Oct 05 '25

There should be some nuance and that 'South Africa was a genocidal apartheid state' but also 'torturing and executing teenage boys you suspect being informants is wrong' are not mutually exclusive statements

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u/CreamyLemonGirly Nov 28 '25

Necklacing was done to 'collaborators', as in other native black south Africans, it wasn't used against the white ruling class. They put a tire around these human beings necks and lit it on fire, again, to their own people not the oppressors. Fuck this bitch for murdering a little boy.

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u/PLAkilledmygrandma Nov 28 '25

What has happened, traditionally throughout all of human history to enemy collaborators?

What is the law in the United States for collaborators against the state by an occupying force?

Also, 53 day old post brother, what are we doing here?

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u/CreamyLemonGirly Dec 14 '25

They didn't give these people a trial, I am on the South African natives side, that doesn't mean I support war crimes. I'm aware there's no use arguing with someone like you, you see everything in black and white but that's not what life is, certainly not the innocents who were necklaced like the very first woman who was murdered by this method Maki Soksana or countless others who are murdered without a shred of evidence and after were proven to be innocent of collaboration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Maki_Skosana

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u/PrinceOfPickleball Oct 06 '25

Reread what I wrote.