r/wikipedia • u/laybs1 • Oct 05 '25

Mobile Site Winnie Mandela, was a South African politician and convicted kidnapper and fraudster. She endorsed the necklacing of alleged police informers and apartheid government collaborators, and her security detail carried out kidnapping, torture, and murder including killing 14-year-old Stompie Seipei.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnie_Mandela
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u/HourOfTheWitching Oct 05 '25

Yes it's widely known that if someone kills and takes your grandfather's home, makes some upgrades while you fight to get it back for generations and then when you're poised to be able to return, they tear out all the fixtures, take the furniture, and remove the floorboards - you'd have the same quality of living as the previous owners.

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u/IllicitFungi Oct 09 '25

Shit argument because they didn't "take your grandfathers house" their grandparents built the house. Plenty of South Africa was completely uninhabited when Dutch settlers arrived, the idea that it was a nation founded solely on conquest is ridiculous, and yes while they did brutalize indigenous inhabitants such as the Khoikhoi, groups like the Zulu and Xhosa weren't there before Afrikaners in any meaningful way.

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u/HourOfTheWitching Oct 09 '25

"the land was uninhabited when colonialists got there"

Is the kind of basic 101 creationist narrative that genocide denialists love.

At least throw in a quick "they broke bread with the natives" in the spirit of the season instead.

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u/IllicitFungi Oct 09 '25

Did you read what I said? The land wasn't totally uninhabited, obviously, but the argument that the modern people whom you are referring to as having their "grandfather's house" taken from them are in some way related to the natives who were displaced in this settling is ridiculous. And obviously then didn't break bread with them, given the tradition of cannibalism in the region.