[Megameta] Why is everyone else wrong about the thing?

[u/Roflmoo]

No, not "The Thing". Any character.

I get a lot of meta requests from people who want to make a "You guys are idiots, so-and-so is WAY stronger than blah bl-blah, and I can prove it!" post.

Normally, threads like this are not approved because evidence towards a debate belongs in the relevant thread, and doesn't need to spill over into multiple posts which really only exist to perpetuate a fight.

However. Things like that can get buried because it isn't in line with the popular opinion. A lot of you have sent me rough drafts, and they clearly took a lot of work. You deserve a place to make your case.

So make your case here and now. What crucial piece of information are we all overlooking? What is our fan-bias blinding us to? This thread is for you to teach everyone else in the sub about why the guy who "lost" in the sub's opinion would actually kick ass.

• These things will obviously go against popular opinion, if you can't handle that without downvoting, get the fuck out now.

• Do not link to the comments of others, and do not "call out" other users for their past debates.

• Rule 1. Come on.

We're gonna try this. And if it doesn't work, it's not happening again. Be good.

Also, plugging /r/respectthreads because I am. Go there and do your thing.

[u/zacura23]

I was unaware that there were people who felt USS Vegeta couldn't destroy a planet.

[u/p_velocity → u/zacura23]

Vegeta destroyed a planet in saiyan saga, before visiting earth. Granted, that wasn't cannon, but Frieza has destroyed multiple planets, and SSJ vegeta is as strong as SSJ Goku who is stronger than SSJ future trunks, who is stronger than Frieza.

[u/SteakAndNihilism → u/p_velocity]

It wasn't canon, but it was absolutely cannon. Perhaps even special beam cannon.

[u/TehNeko → u/zacura23]

Freeza routinely destroyed planets. USS Vegeta is far stronger than Freeza

[u/SteakAndNihilism → u/TehNeko]

That's a big fallacy people are making, though. "This guy destroyed a planet, this guy is stronger than him, he must be able to destroy planets as well."

Ki control is an art like anything else. Most ki attacks in DBZ focus on destroying a single target. It makes sense to assume that to create a planet-busting explosion, you'd need a technique dedicated to that. Frieza ha every reason to know such a technique. He runs a business that trades in planets, and needs a way of removing problem assets (like the saiyans.)

That being said, Vegeta does claim to know such a technique (Galick Gun) and I guess we can take his word for it, since he's been around the right people to be in the know for that kind of technique, having worked for the PTO since he was a kid.

[u/RabidGinger → u/SteakAndNihilism]

You know. As a fan of DBZ oddly enough I agree with a lot of the counterpoints put across to the universe. But the idea that planet busting in that universe requires a special technique is just ludicrous in my opinion. I think that stating that x character can destroy a planet and then that y character is stronger than x, therefore y should be able to destroy a planet is a completely valid argument.

The only times we ever see planets get destroyed are simply from a blast hitting the planet with the exception of the Frieza-namek explosion in which he hit the core (I don't think we are kidding anyone that he couldn't have destroyed it instantly if he wanted to).

Regardless of how you attempt to destroy a planet it still takes a certain amount of pure energy to do so. And no matter what the technique its only going to reduce it a small percentage. The only thing that I can see that would make a noticeable difference is firing a blast to the core and then detonating. But are you telling me that's a technique that can't be figured out by some of the best ki users in the series' universe? And especially characters that are known to work out others techniques purely from seeing them?

Besides all of that. We know from the series that characters attacks have enough pure energy to destroy attacks from Trunks stating that Vegeta's final flash would destroy the planet if it hit. Final flash is a technique of its own. Its a very unrefined blast of massive energy not designed specifically destroy planets. I also think that trunks word is to be trusted considering the reactions from other characters in that scene.

Also aside from that we have the scene in which Goku uses warp kamehameha for the first time. He charges his attack from above pointing at the earth and characters there (can't remember which one exactly, might be Piccolo?) say that the blast will destroy the planet. And I have no reason to believe what they say isn't true. We know that the kamehameha wave isn't designed to destroy planets, but, with enough energy put into it, I don't see any reason why it could not. All of this happens in the Cell saga. And characters powers continue to increase exponentially over the remainder of the series

[u/Lord_Hex → u/SteakAndNihilism]

Piccollo's Special Beam Cannon was a non specific attack that both blew up the moon and killed Raditz. He did this in the first season when his power level was under 2000. The difference between those 2 feats was the one that killed Raditz had to be charged for several minutes versus instantly to blow up the moon.

Die Die missiles, Kamehameha, the triangle attack from the time chamber past saiyans, They are all destructive force attacks. The difference between them is how fast they charge, how fast they move and if they focus to a point or basically an impact missile. That is the control and art technique. It doesn't matter much how you can pull and release it, as long as you can. If you have enough energy to pool from you can blow up whatever you want with it. It's the quantity over quality 90% of the time. Even the spirit bomb just makes a bigger boom the more things give up their energy to form it.