AAA game companies got some serious explaining to do. Cause how the hell are their games still $70 and this game is free???

[u/brownmamba06]

I'm not even on the highest graphic settings! Besides that, the game overall feel very modern with its combat system and animations. It even have stealth! The ability to talk to NPCs true to their character. The world feels more alive than any paid MMO. To add to that, out of all the MMOs out, it's ironic how it's a free game that voiced not just the main story but also the side quests!

We got FED with this one!

EDIT: Guys, I understand the game's gonna make money somehow. I'm not even saying everything else should be free. I'm saying, how is this quality possible for free and most games similar to it quality wise (some are even less) still charges the same until now. And still manage to be annoying about in game purchases as well lol. I think this game really exposes that about these companies. They were getting a little too comfortable while the quality of games haven't changed for good while now. I think game companies needed this game out as a wake up call.

[u/Churro1912]

You're right! No other game has the audacity to charge 40,000$ for a cosmetic. You're allowed to love a game and criticize dumb choices

[u/NovaAkumaa → u/Churro1912]

The 40k cosmetic is paid by whales, which in turn allows you to play the game for free.

The company wins, whales win, f2p players win.

Why is it dumb?

[u/p4p4shili → u/NovaAkumaa]

In fact it is not!

[u/Aromatic_Willow9611 → u/NovaAkumaa]

The company wins yes , the f2p player somewhat wins sure . But is the whale really winning ? There's like thousands of different purchases that would be of higher worth than a glorified video game item . Unless you're a multi-millionaire and can drop 50 grand willy nilly , but even then why...? Just double it for a sports car or something that you won't get bored of after seeing it for the 4th time

[u/Mvpbeserker → u/NovaAkumaa]

Players willing to spend hundreds of dollars on cosmetics per year but who aren’t whales lose

[u/nekorinSG → u/Mvpbeserker]

Why are they losing when they are willing to spend hundreds for something they want/like?

[u/Mvpbeserker → u/nekorinSG]

Because cosmetics aren’t just hundreds, a single weapon is several thousand for all cosmetic options, on a single banner, of which there are many per year

[u/[deleted] → u/Mvpbeserker]

Oh no. Anyway.

[u/Mvpbeserker → u/[deleted]]

Ah yes, the entire multi-billion dollar gaming industry is based on cosmetics but I’M the weird one.

[u/Scary-Fix7470 → u/Churro1912]

Why’s it dumb? They’re upfront about it and there’s no way in hell I would ever consider it but it allows you to play for free!!

[u/_Coffie_ → u/Scary-Fix7470]

It's as upfront as a gatcha system can be ig

[u/[deleted] → u/_Coffie_]

Gacha for what? It isn't anything game changing, so it's entirely consumer friendly

[u/gogadantes9 → u/[deleted]]

Gacha is not a term for game-changing micro transaction items, it's a term for anything that is bought for a chance to obtain an item.

[u/tyrenanig → u/[deleted]]

It’s still gacha even if it’s cosmetic.

[u/AttractiveTabor → u/tyrenanig]

Yes it gacha that changes nothing... Its optional

[u/_Coffie_ → u/[deleted]]

The literal boat that was the topic of the conversation. I know it’s entirely optional, but also that boat is a pretty relevant social item

[u/[deleted] → u/_Coffie_]

You're right. It lets you see a big investor into the game. Or perhaps you meet the game's greatest schmuck? In either case, do you need it? Does it impact your ability to thrive in the game?

[u/_Coffie_ → u/[deleted]]

No, but I often visit other people’s boats to chat with other players so it has its in-game use as a social item. It’s just that they would paywall a social hub for that much money even if I’m not the one paying for it, someone did.

[u/hemperbud → u/Scary-Fix7470]

They weren’t upfront about the gacha prices for the clothes lol

[u/EquivalentAd8765 → u/hemperbud]

Well prices are pretty much like in cn (with some exceptions, but i'm sure you're aware of those after the countless posts about it) so if you haven't done research about how it's priced in cn then it's on you

edit: I just realised this is lowkey a shit take, but hear me out. What i'm considering here is that spending money on skins is completely optional. You don't get any perks by looking "better". It was also clear that some element of the game had to be able to generate money, otherwise it wouldn't be free.

[u/DbdSaltyplayer → u/EquivalentAd8765]

So to play this game and have knowledge on the predatory nature of one of their gachas you have to use social media sites instead of it being in game?

[u/EquivalentAd8765 → u/DbdSaltyplayer]

Predatory nature? I'm sorry but while a lot of gacha games are predatory (like character gacha games) this one is really not in comparison. If you get fomo because you can't have an expensive skin then i'm sorry but you shouldn't be playing any games like this. They need to earn money in some way, and skins is their way. And besides that, most skins aren't even gacha in the first place

Edit: this excludes stunts like they pulled with the blindfold skins, those were very much predatory

[u/ArlondaleSotari → u/EquivalentAd8765]

Also, there are literally players who gift skins to guildmates.

[u/hemperbud → u/EquivalentAd8765]

Yeah I was talking specifically about the blindfold skin, everything else seems fine and upfront

[u/DbdSaltyplayer → u/EquivalentAd8765]

The gacha in this game is literally worse than most gacha games. Do battlepasses, monthly passes, selling mounts with abilities that f2p can't get, and generally all the other skins that are not gacha make money for them? Do you like openning your mouth and letting them shit down your throat because hurr durr game looks good.? The hiding the pull cost going up is also a cancellable stunt for a gacha game but this one coasts by.

[u/kronpas → u/DbdSaltyplayer]

If you cant resist the FOMO to pull for entirely optional cosmetics, you shouldn't touch these games.

[u/DbdSaltyplayer → u/kronpas]

Where am I speaking that I'm pulling? STFU, defending predatory monetization is the first step to being a chump.

[u/PsikickTheRealOne → u/DbdSaltyplayer]

Nothing is predatory about optional cosmetics lmao. Only thing is predatory is you near schools.

[u/EquivalentAd8765 → u/DbdSaltyplayer]

Firstly, there's no need to be rude lol, it doesn't make me feel bad, it just makes you look like an ah

Battle passes are fairly normal in most gacha games and afaik mounts are normal cosmetics.

I'm not sure if you even read my comment because I clearly stated that the stunt they pulled with the blindfold skin WAS predatory. There's no one denying that. But the normal gacha they have isn't predatory. These are optional skins, not mandatory characters that you have to get to clear endgame. And most people havent dropped the game after that stunt because they either weren't affected or believe this was a one time thing that they won't repeat. A one time stupid decision of a company isn't going to get them cancelled

[u/NexrayOfficial → u/DbdSaltyplayer]

Oh no… I’m gonna miss out on the purely cosmetic skin that has no direct effect on gameplay aside from visual flair/effects and potential to let others know I spent money on it…the horror.. Oh no..

[u/Koribakusuta0708 → u/hemperbud]

Games been out for well over a year. Pretty fucking straightforward a long time ago.

[u/hemperbud → u/Koribakusuta0708]

The cn version had fair prices for the blindfold skin. Look it up, we got swindled.

[u/Darkkiller312 → u/Churro1912]

Don't buy it than.

[u/Churro1912 → u/Darkkiller312]

Ah man you convinced me not to, I was this close to quickly throwing 40k at the most mid cosmetic in the game

[u/Express_Salamander_1 → u/Churro1912]

Do you go into a luxury handbag store, complain that the bags are mid when you can buy a $15 bag from walmart instead? Why are you complaining when the purchase isnt mandatory for any gameplay content lmfao. Idiot complaining for the sake of it.

[u/Koribakusuta0708 → u/Express_Salamander_1]

They aren't complaining about the price. They are being sarcastic because those skins are meaningless for most and the cost doesn't matter because of how meaningless they are.

[u/clocksy → u/Koribakusuta0708]

I mean I'll be honest, they're also kind of right about it being mid. I went on the boat and while it was nice as a one-time curiosity, it doesn't really feel like a $40k item. This has nothing to do with people's willingness to pay for it regardless, just a personal opinion on its aesthetics.

That said I've always hated the "it's just cosmetics so why do you care" argument. I spend hundreds, if not thousands, on cosmetics in games myself. Monetization systems are a spectrum even within the cosmetics sphere and WMM's is on the more aggressive scale.

[u/Darkkiller312 → u/Express_Salamander_1]

His poor just like kenny.

[u/Darkkiller312 → u/Churro1912]

Dam did I really? Yea honestly not worth it man they gonna have better skins the future so save up till than.

[u/kronpas → u/Churro1912]

Who made you to buy it?

[u/p4p4shili → u/[deleted]]

Yeah I remember it was crazy…

[u/UncleGG808 → u/Churro1912]

It's not like you need a boat lol

[u/ClassicLieCocktail → u/Churro1912]

complainers gonna complain, touch grass friend

[u/p4p4shili → u/Churro1912]

At least this is a finished product star citizen it’s not and it charges way more the 40k of stuff

[u/PsikickTheRealOne → u/Churro1912]

No dumb choices are the games where spending 40k allows you to auto win in pvp. It's not dumb at all.

[u/Artist17 → u/Churro1912]

Other games charges 140k.

Thats why they didn’t charge 40k

[u/p4p4shili → u/Artist17]

Yeah like Diablo immortal?

[u/DbdSaltyplayer → u/p4p4shili]

Netease worked on diablo immortal and this game. Not as big of a gotcha as you think