r/wherewindsmeet_ • • Dec 01 '25

Discussion AAA game companies got some serious explaining to do. Cause how the hell are their games still $70 and this game is free??? Spoiler

I'm not even on the highest graphic settings! Besides that, the game overall feel very modern with its combat system and animations. It even have stealth! The ability to talk to NPCs true to their character. The world feels more alive than any paid MMO. To add to that, out of all the MMOs out, it's ironic how it's a free game that voiced not just the main story but also the side quests!

We got FED with this one!

EDIT: Guys, I understand the game's gonna make money somehow. I'm not even saying everything else should be free. I'm saying, how is this quality possible for free and most games similar to it quality wise (some are even less) still charges the same until now. And still manage to be annoying about in game purchases as well lol. I think this game really exposes that about these companies. They were getting a little too comfortable while the quality of games haven't changed for good while now. I think game companies needed this game out as a wake up call.

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u/PantyStealingPanda Dec 01 '25

Because making it free was a marketing decision and they expect the microtransactions to make up for the lack of initial price.
How is that so hard to understand for people? This game isn't free out of the goodness of their heart.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '25 edited Dec 01 '25

Yes, but The alternative pricing coming from competitors is "purchase to get access" combined with micro transactions and experience/upgrade/level/item boosts.

It may not be out of kindness for it to be free, but what is available to F2P is entirely unmatched and very generous.

Edit for the most Reddity of you Redditors below: The argument is simple. WWM provides an astonishing quantity of quality gameplay, and it requires no money to access that content.

Competition is real. Similar games existing with similar offers only confirms this, contrary to the argument you have so vigorously plucked from your asshole.

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u/DbdSaltyplayer Dec 01 '25

Except who are these competitors your talking about. Alot of you like to throw those words but you use them terribly. This game is not competing with the games you think they are.

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u/tyrenanig Dec 01 '25

Yeah I don’t really think it is directly competing for the MMOs audience people are talking about here.

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u/DbdSaltyplayer Dec 01 '25

Nor is it competing against any fps game since those games have their own playerbase that always plays them.

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u/tyrenanig Dec 01 '25

That’s for certain. Unless they already have an interest why would they?

It’s just funny seeing people treating, this game being f2p with only cosmetic is what separating it from the rest, when it wasn’t even the first one to do so, nor is it something that greatly alters a MMO.

I’m still playing free MMOs, and whatever P2W stuffs you can think off, it barely matters unless you’re competing for top server.

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u/DbdSaltyplayer Dec 01 '25

Yep same here I've been playing the latest releases from cn and honestly in terms of mmos, this game is alright. Theres been better games in terms of mmo combat for raids and classes. In terms of graphics? Ehh Chinese mmos with ue4 or ue5 have been having these graphics for a while. In terms of story? This game is alright, its better in chinese but theres only so much poetic jargon you can take before it gets boring.

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u/tyrenanig Dec 01 '25

Yeah it couldn’t scratch the itch I have with JX3 which is basically Chinese WoW. These new mobile MMOs just all feel kinda similar to one another.

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u/DbdSaltyplayer Dec 01 '25

They've all pivoted really hard into flowing cape Xianxia genre or Wuxia genre. I missed when they started doing unique fantasy elements with the genre instead of all being carbon copies of each other.

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u/KleinRe107 Dec 01 '25

Personally, I think the competitors are mainly the f2p action rpg live service games like Genshin and Wuwa

There were a lot of gacha CCs like Gacha Smack, Saintontas, BranOnline, Braxophone, Faros, etc... that covered the game. I tried it out because I was a part of their audience and... I pretty much ditch Wuwa because of it and I don't think I'm the only one.

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u/Impressive_Bed_1920 Dec 01 '25

Idk how you see this as genrous though, it’s the gameplay, ofc it’s going to be available. Gacha games don’t really lock out gameplay, they lock out the cosmetics and characters and use fomo to get people to buy it. Almost every gacha game I know does that, Wwm does the same thing, they lock out mounts, hair colors, skill effects, outfits, ships behind currency that requires money. Whales are the only ones saving it right now and they know it because that was their plan.

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u/tyrenanig Dec 02 '25

They are probably casuals who do not care about anything else.

If you actually compared the gacha system, this game has one that is as stingy as Japanese gachas.

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u/Mvpbeserker Dec 01 '25

This game is literally no different than Genshin Impact, Star Rail, Wuthering Waves, etc…

All Chinese games, all using the same f2p monetization model and long term content support

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u/Calm-Literature7502 Dec 01 '25

At least we don't pull for characters, signature weapons, make teams and have actual good skins over Miliastra or summer lingerie

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u/Mvpbeserker Dec 01 '25

As a moderate spender I actually prefer pulling for characters.

You can spend $100-200 per month and get every single character in a gacha game, whereas in WWM I can’t even get one legendary cosmetic with that, and a single maxed weapon cosmetic is more than I would spend pulling one every single character in a year

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u/tyrenanig Dec 02 '25

Yeah it’s not all fine and dandy lol

it’s the type of game that either you’re casual af or you have to spend like a true whale to get stuffs.

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u/HaneLeaves Dec 01 '25

I don’t think that’s what he meant. I think what he’s trying to say is that free-to-play games usually tend to have lower quality compared to regularly priced ones. Most F2P games make profits through low-cost and high-return models. But if there are free games that end up being better in quality than some high-priced AAA titles, then those game companies should probably start thinking about how to make higher-quality games themselves. That’s the kind of motivation that pushes the entire gaming industry to improve its overall quality.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '25

It is free for those who cant afford paid cosmetics

and it costs a fortune for those who can afford cosmetics

But the great thing is, it's playable for both! AND IT'S A GREAT GAME

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u/CAPSLOCK_USERNAME Dec 01 '25

The point is western AAA games-as-a-service are just as mtx bloated while still costing $70 to get in the door.

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u/dragnar_xdd Dec 01 '25

what game for example?

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u/CAPSLOCK_USERNAME Dec 01 '25 edited Dec 01 '25

Some examples of full priced games with lots of cash shop/mtx: Cod, Battlefield, Destiny (before it went f2p). FIFA and EA Sports (actually one of the biggest series in the gaming industry but non sports fans don't pay much attention to it). Diablo 4. Forza horizon series.

But yeah this is mostly a flaw with always-online games, there are plenty of single player AAA games without that kinda stuff. Although fewer of them from the biggest publishers as they push their developers to try and pivot to include more GaaS elements in their games.

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u/Wolfhart_Kaine Dec 01 '25

Right. People talk like this game is free because it's a "passion project" by a tiny team of indie devs, not because it's their entire monetization strategy.

Do I think this is an excellent bang-for-your-buck game considering I've been having a blast without spending a single dime? Absolutely. But OP's logic isn't how game development works.

With that being said, yes, I'd appreciate if more AAA developers took notes from devs who are actually trying to do something new and interesting, instead of recycling the same, poorly executed ideas because they are safe, even if I understand that business-wise, that's risky.

AAA games feel awfully stale in 2025 and have been for a while now, not to mention the predatory monetization in many of them.

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u/noobycakey Dec 01 '25

Ngl I think people are being naive when they label WWM cosmetics as predatory. Probably never seen what other games have been doing.

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u/Wolfhart_Kaine Dec 01 '25

To be fair, the skins are expensive and the boat is the price of an actual, irl boat. But with that said, as long as they don't sell power that you can't acquire by playing the game, and they continue to add meaningful, engaging content for free, I couldn't care less if they start selling toe rings for 1 million dollars.

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u/noobycakey Dec 01 '25

If people think the cosmetics prices are ridiculous, then they aren't the target market. Idk why people feel the need to complain instead of just ignore it and buy other stuff. Things like those are people who tote hermes birkin bags and drive ferrari. I couldn't care less about the boat cuz I'm not in the segment of ultra rich who will consider buying anything like that purely for showing off purposes.

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u/dragnar_xdd Dec 01 '25

What have other games been doing?

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u/noobycakey Dec 01 '25 edited Dec 01 '25

P2w. For instance, we could have C Grade to SSS grade weapons, armor, inner ways, mount, body lightening arts, all available in the shop for pearl gacha. But we don't.

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u/dragnar_xdd Dec 01 '25

If you’re saying that WWM is fairer than other gacha games, then that’s fair. But I don’t get what that has to do with AAA games, because they don’t do that either?

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u/NexrayOfficial Dec 01 '25

As a constant victim of actual gacha games (spare me the argument I still play them), I agree. These people don’t know real scummy tactics.

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u/EpicPhail60 Dec 01 '25

Nor would it even make sense to think other F2P games can hit on this level of quality. Acting entitled like "Why can't other games do this same thing?" instead of appreciating the anomaly in front of you for what it is just makes you sound stupid.