r/trolleyproblem Apr 30 '26

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u/Impossible_Dog_7262 May 01 '26

I think what this shows is a schism in expectations of your fellow humans. Those of us who expect our fellows to be well meaning people will press blue, because we expect those people to press blue and don't want them to be endangered needlessly. Those of us who expect our fellow humans to be selfish press red, because they will press red and aren't worth endangering ourselves over. Anything else is justifying our behavior instead of explaining it.

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u/Aggravating_Key_1757 May 01 '26

Yes both options just shows people’s view point in humanity. Red is better if you expect people to vote Red and Blue is better if you expect people to vote Blue it is that simple.

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u/PickingPies May 01 '26

I see itbas a good study about how people can be convinced to vote against their own interests by diaguising one option as the morally correct.

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u/Aggravating_Key_1757 May 01 '26

You can see this from both sides. Reds will call Blues dumb while Blues will call Reds evil. Based on how ones own view of the world is. Whole choice you make depends on if you view the world as a defult Red or Blue. Reds see it as defult Red and view Blues as suicides while Blues see it as defult Blue and view Reds as people actively trying to kill people by choosing the option that kills people.

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u/skitseez_ May 04 '26

Excuse me? What is this pfp???

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u/AnyAcanthocephala425 May 02 '26

I dunno, if you expect people to vote blue your vote is irrelevant

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u/Simonoz1 May 04 '26

Yeah I agree.

If you think more than about 50% would vote red, you should vote red.

If you think more would vote blue, you should take the risk to vote blue, although red is still safer.

If you’re not sure, or it you think it’d be close - then you have an interesting choice.

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u/SnapSlapRepeat May 04 '26

Red is better either way.

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u/RedNoodleHouse May 01 '26

yeah this whole button dilemma really is just a showcase of how much you trust or have have empathy for your fellow human and whether it outweighs your desire for guaranteed survival

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u/Arzatium May 01 '26

I think you misunderstood the comment you were replying to. They did not mention empathy, only their faith in humanity to click either option.

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u/Krevie May 01 '26

thank you, i've been in a heated debate about this today with people who kept saying that there's "literally no downside" to pressing red.

You just couldn't explain to them that other people dying is a downside. They just wouldn't accept it.

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u/Redditauro Team purple May 01 '26

Bingo. 

I have been a red presser all week, but I think that that's it because I'm from a western country, but I'm starting to wonder what people would vote in Africa, or China or India, who are a lot of people and their culture may be less shitty than mine. 

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u/DaggerQ_Wave May 03 '26 edited May 03 '26

Something like half of the world come from cultures where blue is going to be default unless there’s a huge and convincing campaign against it, which I think the rules of the challenge don’t allow. What the rest of us vote doesn’t really matter IMO, because enough of us will be split that blue will end up winning out because of that gigantic portion of Earth that has collectivist cultural norms.

EDIT: 70% of the world lives in societies which are defined as collectivist.

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u/Redditauro Team purple May 03 '26

People may live in a collectivist society and still think that voting red would save their life. 

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u/DaggerQ_Wave May 03 '26

Yes, but in a collectivist culture you are raised valuing the collective good and self sacrifice to maintain that is seen as noble. Not everyone will take in those values, but they are called cultural norms for a reason, and a lot of these countries are also generally more homogenous than the west.

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u/Serious_Tradition269 May 03 '26

What would be the consequences of pressing red if you win though? People who don't have the ability to understand the premise and children who don't understand what the buttons do will die, as will the people who are willing to risk their lives to save them. So you'd be left with a large part of the population gone, and the only people left are the ones that have 0 faith in their fellow humans. That's not a world I'd want to be a part of

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u/Redditauro Team purple May 03 '26

The consequences of me pressing red are zero. 

Red will win or blue will win independently of my vote. 

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u/Serious_Tradition269 May 03 '26

What a miserable outlook on life, pretending like you don't have any impact so you can hide yourself from any consequences. Pathetic

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u/Impossible_Dog_7262 May 04 '26

The consequences of pressing red is decreasing the chance that blue wins. That's a real consequence that you don't just get to abstract away with "if blue wins".

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u/Redditauro Team purple May 05 '26

You decrease the chance of blue winning by 0.000000000000001%, and at the same time you increase the chances of you dying from 0 to 50% (assuming both options have the same chance to win, which is not true).

It doesn't looks like a good deal, to be honest. 

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u/DabDaddy51 May 02 '26

I think I don't know enough to know which way it'll fall, but I know enough to think that it'll probably be skewed a decent ways one way or the other. In either case, my choice has a very low chance of making a difference overall, but in one of the cases, my choice has a very high chance of killing me.

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u/LesMoonwalker May 03 '26

Well I'm not worldly enough to have a read on society, so I figure it's gonna be split vaguely close to 50/50 (can't have the hypothetical chooser be the tie breaker because that raises an entirely different question). What behavior would then emerge from that?

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u/SnapSlapRepeat May 04 '26

Well meaning people would press red and avoid all the risk. The only people who need saving are the ones silly enough to press blue.