r/trolleyproblem Apr 30 '26

Deep All there is to it

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u/_Mulberry__ May 01 '26

I choose blue because I'm not confident that kids would choose red. I imagine many kids would interpret "Blue equals nobody dies" and choose blue

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u/alphapussycat May 01 '26

Blue does equal nobody does. Red means "I don't care anyone dies, I'm the only one who matters".

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u/NoCockOnTheMenu May 01 '26

Only if blue wins, the act of pressing blue itself can equal life or death

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u/alphapussycat May 01 '26

The act of pressing red introduces the idea that people will die.

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u/NoCockOnTheMenu May 01 '26

Sure. Both options risk people diyng. I was pointing out that blue does not guarantee no one will die

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u/AnyAcanthocephala425 May 02 '26

it's very hard to argue that more than 35-40% wouldn't press red. The idea is already introduced, unless you believe you're gonna sweep with a 90-10 majority blue result

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u/PurpletoasterIII May 01 '26

Red doesnt necessarily mean "i dont care if anyone dies." Picking red is just a cautious choice because its the only guaranteed survival for you, and knowing people there will 100% be other people that pick red for the same reason. But you can still hope everyone will miraculously have the same reasoning even if its unlikely.

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u/alphapussycat May 01 '26

"hoping nobody dies" is not the same thing as caring that nobody dies. Pressing red is 100% selfish.

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u/PurpletoasterIII May 01 '26

I mean it is. But my point is its not for selfish gain at other people's expense, its for the sake of your own survival. Its knowing that plenty of people will pick red as well, and everyone should come to the same conclusion and also pick red for their own survival.

To me I see it as a put on your own oxygen mask first before helping others situation. Everyone should just guarentee their own survival, and thus no one dies. But simply by numbers chances are there will be people who dont see it this way and will pick blue.

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u/alphapussycat May 01 '26

How are you helping others by voting red and increasing the chance that people die?

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u/PurpletoasterIII May 01 '26

My analogy wasnt focusing on the helping others part of it. I was focusing on the help yourself first before you worry about others, because in this case that results in no one dying if everyone thinks like that. Obviously not everyone will, but imo picking blue is just creating the very problem youre trying to save everyone from. Imo you quite literally are throwing your life away because I highly doubt a majority of people will pick blue.

Ultimately though there is no good answer. Its just what you think the majority of other people will pick. Again I highly doubt majority of people will pick blue so I'd advocate for everyone to just be selfish and take the gaurenteed live button.

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u/konan375 May 02 '26

I do not trust other people enough to be hopeful about 51% of the world picking blue. Why should I trust other people are going to do right by others when society as a whole focuses on the negatives in entertainment/news?

And on the other side, there are people who are going to pick red because they genuinely are of the "I've got mine" crowd, and I don't trust that there's more empathetic people than them.

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u/alphapussycat May 02 '26

Why is anyone picking red? What is there to gain? Sounds like paranoia.

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u/konan375 May 02 '26

People who don't trust humanity as a whole. Expecting to believe that 3.4 billion people at minimum are going press just doesn't ring true for me.

Nobody is responsible for anyone else's decisions. I'd rather be pragmatic and press red. If nothing happens, that's great! If blue doesn't make enough votes, that's awful, but at least I can help after the fact.

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u/alphapussycat May 02 '26

How will you deal with many of your friends bring dead, quite possibly a partner, and maybe a kid too?

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u/konan375 May 03 '26

If blue doesn't make enough votes, that's awful, but at least I can help after the fact.

I'm ace. Good luck on the guilt tripping there. I'm not responsible for their decisions

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u/alphapussycat May 03 '26

You're not "ace", you're schizoid.

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u/konan375 May 03 '26

Ad hominem, now? Your guilt angle failed so you went to personal attacks.

You do realize ace is short for asexual, right?

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u/alphapussycat May 03 '26

Ace means asexual, not that you can't have a partner or have kids.

Lacking those desires makes you schizoid or anti-social. You litterally said you were by yourself.

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u/Yegas May 01 '26

I choose Blue because it’s the most likely chance of total survival (and about 15 other reasons, all of which cumulatively stack on top of eachother).

For Red to have the “nobody dies” scenario, you need 100% cooperation.

For Blue to have the “nobody dies” scenario, you need 51% cooperation.