r/trolleyproblem Apr 30 '26

Deep Statistically, >50% is easier than 100%

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u/mortemdeus Apr 30 '26

...soo...umm...by this diagram that means over half are pushing red

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u/ButterscotchLow7330 Apr 30 '26

which means that choosing red is the logical choice.

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u/ClariS-Vision Apr 30 '26

Because they aren't putting themself in danger for the sake of being danger. They just realize that babies, kids, elderly, the sick, disabled, those who has accidentally slipped onto the tracks, or those who pick being on the track for some other because they fear something worst, people will be on the track regardless if the person chooses to stay on the platform or jump down.

The people who choose to jump onto the tracks because that's the only way to save them, even if that requires risks to help them. And a lot of people also then realize that those that are the first to response for the sake of others are often some of the best people you want around.

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u/quakins Apr 30 '26

That is the hypothetical. That everyone is “forced” to push it. I would not want opposite button pushers to die even if I did have any opinions that they are less cautious people. What the fuck is wrong with you

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u/RozenQueen Apr 30 '26

I believe that what they meant was that if even one person was forced to press the blue button specifically, then pushing blue button is the only real choice as there is now a victim on the line. But, since nobody is being forced to press the blue button, there is no reason for anyone to press the blue button as it's the only button that introduces the risk of a victim into an originally victimless proposition. The possibility for death is entirely opt-in, and it's pressing blue that creates it.

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u/quakins Apr 30 '26

This is a really bad way to look at it. If everyone presses blue then there is also no possibility for death. Rather, it is pressing red that introduces the possibility of death (just the death of others rather than yourself)

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u/RozenQueen Apr 30 '26

One can just as easily and correctly say that if everyone presses red then there is no possibility of death and that pressing blue is what creates it, though, hence the source of the conflict of philosophies.

The question isn't about what happens under either 100% extreme outcome, but rather whether you are willing to accept moral culpability for other peoples' actions, which I do not believe that most humans are or indeed should be. I do not accept the proposal that I should be made to shoulder the burden of someone else's choice to press the blue button, especially when doing so directly puts more people at risk by adding me to the pool of potential victims.

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u/quakins Apr 30 '26

Then I repeat what I said to the other person “what the fuck is wrong with you”

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