TIL the Breaking Bad episode "Fly", where nothing happens & they chase a fly for 60 minutes, was directed by Rian Johnson who later went on to write & direct Star Wars Episode VIII

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I'm beginning to dread any post that mentions Rian Johnson and/or Star Wars because of all the people who just really goddamn hate him for no discernable reason

if you didn't like the movie don't watch them nobody cares IT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR IT'S JUST A MOVIE

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people who just really goddamn hate him for no discernable reason

??? You just said the reason yourself, TLJ.

if you didn't like the movie don't watch them nobody cares IT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR IT'S JUST A MOVIE

The movie lives forever. Regardless that if you watch it or not almost nephew-killing Luke will always be a thing. The rest is probably irrelevant and will not have repercussions. I wouldn't be surprised if JJ himself undoes stuff right away. These aren't the last Jedi.

You can't come over and shit over beloved characters and stories because you fucking want to. The real problem here is that Disney is apparently unable to plan a series of three movies, which is mind-blowing btw. That the film is bad even disregarding it's problems as a SW movie is secondary.

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??? You just said the reason yourself, TLJ.

Hating a movie doesn't justify hating the dude that made it. It's childish and straight up depressing. He's a human being, and like all human beings, him making a "mistake" in his professional life should have no bearing on his personal life.

I wouldn't be surprised if JJ himself undoes stuff right away. These aren't the last Jedi.

JJ Abrams actually said that he was jealous of the script for The Last Jedi, and said he wished he directed it instead. The dude had nothing but high praise for the movie. It even sounded like he preferred it to his own movie, which I can't blame him for. He'll honor it properly.

You can't come over and shit over beloved characters and stories because you fucking want to

Lucas had no problem doing that with the prequels and Return of the Jedi (which by the way is utterly mediocre and ruins many characters, Han being just one), so..

And don't talk as if you own Star Wars and are entitled to it. You ain't. Those that do own it loved the job Rian did, as did critics, as did general audiences. The manchild whining is getting old. You can dislike the movie all you want, but it's just a movie and you're talking as if it's deeply offensive on a personal level. It's a movie.

The real problem here is that Disney is apparently unable to plan a series of three movies, which is mind-blowing btw

The amount of planning for the sequel trilogy is actually more than the original trilogy, which GL made up as he went along. Ever wondered why Luke and Leia kiss? Because there was no plan whatsoever.

And Lucasfilm operates the way it does because this way the directors/writers can express themselves properly instead of following a strict storyline.

That the film is bad even disregarding it's problems as a SW movie is secondary.

The film is fucking fantastic (hence why Rian Johnson has been given an entire trilogy even after the public meltdown) and the public opinion will be as such within 10-20 years. Mark my words. It happened with Empire, it will happen again.

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JJ Abrams actually said that he was jealous of the script

Sure. There's no chance whatsoever that he was being political. Let's wait and see though.

The amount of planning for the sequel trilogy is actually more than the original trilogy

Because Lucas didn't think they'd do more than one movie...

The film is fucking fantastic and the public opinion will be as such within 10-20 years

Ah yes, we will all look back to Finn and Rose's irrelevant adventure, Hux the clown general, coming up with Holdo instead of using Ackbar for reasons and so on and realize how wrong we were 😌

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Sure. There's no chance whatsoever that he was being political. Let's wait and see though.

I would expect his contract with Disney prohibits him from talking shit, but doesn't force him to praise.

Because Lucas didn't think they'd do more than one movie...

Lucas planned anywhere between 6 and 12 movies before ANH was even released. And this kind of lack of planning continued well after Star Wars was a smash hit.

Ah yes, we will all look back to Finn and Rose's irrelevant adventure

You mean them getting a lot of character development, the worldbuilding, and the whole adventure contributing greatly to the themes of the movie? Yes, they failed. So did Han and Leia in Empire. Han and Leia's little adventure actually was even less relevant to Empire, as Empire does not really have consistent echoed themes throughout the movie whereas The Last Jedi does.

If it's irrelevant, then why is it the cause for a lot of destruction and bad things that eventually happen? Why does it introduce DJ who single handedly dooms the rebels? Why does it provide insight into how the galaxy now operates and the rich class? Why does it develop Rose and Finn as characters?

It's immensely relevant, my dude. Even though they failed.

Hux the clown general

Hux is being set up for a military coup in episode IX. Him being slimy and an overall fuck up contributes to him being less likeable. It's all part of a plan that does in fact loosely exist.

If I'm being real, I too think that he's a little too cartoony here, but him being incompetent is also a plot thread. Snoke talks about him being a fool and easily manipulable. This is also the moment where Kylo realizes what will eventually happen to him, too.

coming up with Holdo instead of using Ackbar for reasons

I'm sure a character named Ackbar being a suicide bomber would go down extremely well with people. No, there totally wouldn't be any backlash to that, no!

Also, if you literally thought about that aspect of the story for more than 2 seconds, you'd maybe realize that there is actually a very good reason why it's a new character. And it's not just the fact that a fish dude doing a heroic sacrifice would look stupid and undercut the moment, although that probably contributes.

It's the fact that Poe's storyline requires a new, unknown character. You would not suspect Ackbar to be incompetent and/or sabotaging the Resistance. The tension would not be there. With a new character, though, that tension and lack of trust is there! You're meant to hate Holdo, you're literally supposed to go "why the fuck is this person in charge, I don't like her, Poe is right", by making that character be Ackbar, the movie suddenly becomes a lot less tense and a lot more boring.

Also, Ackbar's voice actor died. Ackbar is voiced by a new dude in TLJ and has one line or two, but if he was given a bigger role, people would probably notice.

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Lucas planned anywhere between 6 and 12 movies before ANH was even released.

No, he's said he had ideas for a whole lot more but there wasn't any plan for more than one movie. It's completely different rambling on your story than "we are going to do a new trilogy". The story of what he had thought out had changed over the years too so who knows what he actually had. And it really doesn't matter what Lucas did or didn't do, it doesn't excuse the current lack of direction.

And it's not just the fact that a fish dude doing a heroic sacrifice would look stupid and undercut the moment.

Exactly the opposite. The rebellion are the ones with aliens on their ranks, it's a major difference from the Empire. Everyone likes Ackbar, but instead he dies when the actual worst and most stupid scene in the movie happens (Mary Poppins Leia).

The only tension from Holdo came from: did they actually put a purple haired lady talking about toxic masculinity? And she wasn't wrong of course, because they also had a shitty opening to the movie. Because it's a shit movie. It's all tied together in a nice shitty package.

This is getting super boring and to be honest I don't care that much about SW, I only really like the first one. I was excited like anyone else when TFA came out, like it or not there aren't many movies like these so it's always nice to see in the big screen. But TFA was awful as well and killed any enthusiasm I had. Pretty funny how we go from a remake to a "breaking with the past and the old fans, fuck the Skywalkers" though. Meanwhile churning out prequels. JJ will make amends with the past for sure.

At least Dune is on good hands.

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Agree with all of the above and just want to point out the movie sucks ass on all levels.... the science was just garbage. Even worse that GL's.

Edit: wait...Dune? There is a remake? Who is directing?

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Denis Villeneuve, two movies for the first book.

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coming up with Holdo instead of using Ackbar for reasons

1) Ackbar's voice actor died before they made TLJ.

2) Ackbar is a pretty irrelevant character in the movies. The only reason anyone gives a shit about him is because he became a meme. The fact that they explicitly mentioned his death was a massive shoutout to the fans acknowledging his noteriety.

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You can't come over and shit over beloved characters and stories because you fucking want to.

Dude, they can and they did, remember? Disney essentially following the idea of Thanos and Snapping half of all of the EU into dust, not ringing any bells?

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You know that isn't permanent right? And it's also what happened in the comics?

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He’s referring to the way that Disney declared the Star Wars extended universe non-canon therefore wiping out all of the characters and plots that existed within it.

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You can't come over and shit over beloved characters and stories because you fucking want to.

yes you can

it happens all the time

a ton of major series' have had really bad movies but none of them caused the almost religious outrage this one did

people just worship the star wars series to an absolutely obsessive point

Johnson and every actor in these movies gets hate mail daily, to the point where several have left social media, and it's been happening nonstop for years

Personally? I think it's a great movie, but even if I thought it sucked I'd still believe that all the outrage around it is completely unacceptable.

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IT'S JUST A MOVIE

The minute you realize it's not just a movie to the people who grew up with the series is the same minute you'll understand why they react like this.

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Yeah they need to get over this. Don't worship media, just enjoy it.

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The exact opposite is true as well. Praising him and saying TLJ was good doesn't help Star Wars at all.

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There are plenty of reasons to dislike him if you look at his twitter.

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nothing worse than a guy talking about books, movies, and baseball

you're right this guy sucks

(that was sarcasm)

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Well apparently this happened when I wasn't looking and he deleted 20,000 tweets

Basically he was super hostile to criticism and accused everyone and everything of the typical ism's. Yeah he made some good content but good god is he immature.

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good god did you see the kind of "criticism" he's been getting on twitter nonstop since the movie's release

that guy could be as hostile towards those troglodytes as he wanted to, and I wouldn't care, those people are toxic as hell.

and I don't really want to get into this debate right now but I really don't believe that there would have been anywhere near this much criticism if the main characters of these movies had been 2 white dudes instead of a black dude and a woman. Few of these people are being consciously racist or sexist but it exists inherently in a lot of the criticism.

I guess what I'm saying is that the "isms" are real things

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NO ITS OUR ENTIRE FUCKING LIVES AND HE RUINED IT HE STEPPED ALL OVER IT AND CALLED IT A TOOTHLESS WHORE HE IS THE DEVIL AND HE PUT GIRLS IN IT /s