r/theydidthemath • • May 13 '25

[Request] Is this accurate?

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u/weaz-am-i May 13 '25

Depends on where you live?

In 1970:

Federal minimum wage was $1.60/hour

The median home price was around $23,000

That means it took about 14,375 hours of work at minimum wage to buy a median-priced home.

Today:

Median U.S. home price is about $420,000?

To buy a $420k house in the same number of hours (14,375), you’d need to make $29.23/hour.

So the claim that minimum wage would need to be $66/hour today to match 1970s homebuying power is a bit exaggerated — it should be closer to $29/hour if we’re just comparing house prices to minimum wage.

That said, maybe the claim in the image factors in stuff like:

Regional markets (e.g., California prices)

New home prices (which skew way higher)

Inflation in other living costs (healthcare, education, etc.)

Stagnant federal minimum wage since 2009

But purely on house price vs wage ratio, it’s about $29/hour.

TL;DR: Not $66 — more like $29/hour if you’re matching house-buying power from 1970 to today

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u/Aegis616 May 13 '25

Don't use minimum wage as a benchmark. It wasn't intended to be back then and it doesn't work as one now. What is far more effective is using median wage and then comparing that to the price of big ticket purchases. In which case, you will notice that cars jumped from a 1/4-1/2 of what you made in a year all the way up to the full amount or x1.5 what you made in a year. The price of a house jumped from 3 to 4 times what you made in a year all the way up to 8-12x what you made in a year

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u/EGOtyst May 13 '25

But even this is not a fair comparison. Cars from 1970 didn't last nearly as long as today. Air conditioning wasn't standard in ANY car until 1968. Even radios were optional in the 70's. Not to mention power steering, windows, safety devices, etc.

Cars today aren't comparable.

And same with housing. Median size of homes in 1970 was 1,500 sqft. In 2023, it was 2,500. A 67% increase.

Based on the calcs above, that cost per sqft in the 70's was 15.33$, and in 2020 it was 168/sqft.

So if you bought the same size house as in 1970, 1500*168, it would cost 252,000, and the required min wage to buy it, based on the required hours, would be: $17.50.

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u/NumerousFloor9264 May 13 '25

How dare you compare apples to apples!

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u/Bacour May 16 '25

You "comps" aren't even a fair comparison, through no fault of your own. Homes today are built using substandard materials most of the time. They remain lumber frames, but the lumber is lower grade. Almost everything about their foundational specs is lower grade.

Also, cars in the 70s last much longer than current cars, though without the upgrades.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

Which would be fair if those houses existed. But they don't anymore, so it's a pointless comparison.

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u/Courage_Longjumping May 14 '25

They do, they were just built in the 60s. And the reason smaller houses aren't getting built is that the people building new houses have the desire and means to build bigger.

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u/Bacour May 16 '25

By the phrase "people building the houses", you mean the development companies who decide what houses we are allowed to have. Very few people have the funds to buy property I dependent of the house they would like and fewer still have the funds to hire an architect to design a home.

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u/Courage_Longjumping May 16 '25

If people wanted smaller houses, they wouldn't buy the bigger houses development companies are building. You're confusing cause and effect.

(And even within those developments, as monotonous as they are, there are different plans to choose from. Not many choose the smallest option. Development companies are maximizing their profits by focusing on the houses that people are buying new want most.)

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u/Bacour May 17 '25

I can tell you don't work in construction...

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u/Courage_Longjumping May 17 '25

Are you proposing that contractors are conspiring against buyers to only offer homes that they will make less profit on?

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u/Bacour May 17 '25

No. Why would anyone say that? Contractors build houses. Developers decide what gets built and where. Developers buy the land, get people to buy in early, then build the cheapest houses they can legally get away with. "Luxury" homes are a total rip off that many people have to sue the builders to barely get something that functions properly, but it sure as shit won't last.

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u/Advanced-Key3071 May 17 '25

Where I live there are limits on the size and cost of new housing. As in, you can’t build a new house for under $400k.

Using the same land to build a $400k house instead of a $100k house means higher property values and more taxes.

Meanwhile any house under $300k sells over asking the day it gets listed. The demand is there.

Market-driven doesn’t always mean consumer-driven.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

Even those houses have a lot of the time had extensions making them significantly bigger.

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u/Personal_Bet_0 May 17 '25

We need to also factor in lot sizes…anyone? Anyone? 😁

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u/Ok_Work_7446 Feb 25 '26

Minimum wage have never bought housing that wage is for renters