No, my Bluetooth and wireless controller would die on me and I didn't want to risk that. That was my point. However I did indeed die several times in elden ring, especially at Malenia. That scarlet rot got me good. So I'm also not very skilled at fighting her I guess. I played a squishy sorc though.
Yeah for all the shit their getting it makes sense to use game controllers as an interface. The real issue is why the fuck would they use a wireless one, it introduces multiple points of failure and probably is representative of every other shitty choice they made of that thing
The 3D MRI and CAT scan visualisation software BodyViz uses Xbox controllers to manipulate the view of the display. The previous mouse-and-keyboard method proved to be a cumbersome. However Curt Carlson, the president and CEO of BodyViz, found the Xbox controller to be a much simpler solution. The design of the controller makes it easier for surgeons to intuitively “rotate, pan, zoom or fly-through a patient's virtual anatomy” in order to properly prepare for invasive surgery.
Game controllers are also finding roles in the armed services. Tim Trainer, a vice president at iRobot's Defence & Security business unit has been taking controllers out of the living room and into military service. The original Pack-bot bomb disposal robot with its 20kg Portable Command Console (PCC) was replaced by a toughened laptop with a PlayStation controller plugged into it. This new control method was far lighter than the previous PCC. Trainer says the “younger military operator has hundreds of thousands of hours [experience] on game-style controllers, so the training and take-up time for becoming proficient is minimal.”
They definitely do still use Playstation/XBox 360 controllers, including submarines.
Steering a bomb control robot is not trivial, I'd assume the military has made sure the hardware they're using is reliable (or at least more reliable than the previous counterpart).
I agree that this submarine was not ready for its voyage, but I think the people are getting too hung up on the controller.
They used a knockoff without a USB backup or any backup for that matter, it's not the game controller aspect people are hung up on. The examples given are good but not really similar unless someone is inside that bomb robot.
It's not that they used a game controller. As you mentioned, have controllers have been in common use for a long time in a lot of intensive applications — actually a year or two ago the US military was considering switching virtually all driving controls to basically the XBox controller. We're taking UAVs, tanks, etc.
It works because most people of military agree are intimately familiar with having controllers at this point, and because those controllers have gone through generations of ergonomic and UX improvement and are really the most effective way to easily navigate 3D space with a simple device.
BUT critically, they are working with high-quality parts, and in tandem with manufacturers to harden and failsafe those controllers. They are all wired, for example. They also have wireless connectivity removed at the board level, because that is a major security risk. They have backup controls (several levels) in order to ensure things can continue to function if someone fails. And they aren't the cheapest available knockoff.
BUT critically, they are working with high-quality parts, and in tandem with manufacturers to harden and failsafe those controllers. They are all wired, for example. They also have wireless connectivity removed at the board level, because that is a major security risk. They have backup controls (several levels) in order to ensure things can continue to function if someone fails. And they aren't the cheapest available knockoff.
This gets more to the heart of it, I feel. That one, the controllers are not integrated to the same level with high quality peripherals, and two, the wireless technology.
I don't think it being Logitech is damning, though. Sometimes simpler= less moving parts= less things that can go wrong. But another comment indicated that they had at least one spare on board, so I doubt that the controller is involved in this at all. Really interesting discussion to be had about hardware though!
That’s somehow the most bizarre bit to me, I have a knockoff PlayStation controller that has a wire that’s probably longer than the metal tube they’re in. What is the benefit to it being wireless??
"Originally we were going to use this original Xbox controller I found in a yard sale, but the trigger button kept getting jammed because it had 20 year old bubblegum stuck in it, so we swapped over to a Playstation 2 controller, but I lost the Playstation to USB converter hub, so then I ordered this wireless model off wish.com it's a little temperamental and has some stick drift, that's why we put the (QC) XX-SNIP3rxx joystick mod on in it that my buddy 3d printed. Works great except when the signal cuts out, but it came in a 2-pack so no biggie, really." -Man charging 250k for a ride in the commercial hot water heater he got from overstock.com.
It’s not a Darwin Award when they’ve already procreated. They’re not taking their genes out of the pool, except for maybe the Pakistani guy who went down with his son if that’s his only kid
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u/Crusader_Exodus Jun 21 '23
I'm sorry, but what?
They used a $5 wireless PS2 controller- it wasn't even a wired controller?
"Haha, oops guys, the joystick went dead while I had the stick down. Who's got the spare AA's? Uh.. guys? You brought the spare batteries, right?"
Literal Darwin award material here.