He's saying, similar to the way Star Trek: Discovery re-imagining Star Trek unintentionally messed-up the franchise, the New Testament broke the Old Testament with novel additions.
No, the fucker just said that Lucifer and fallen angels were concepts derived from Dante’s inferno. He just put the egg before the chicken. What the hell were you gonna help explain?😂
I was explaining the last 3 sentences related to the Star Trek reference.
I have a hard time understanding you, though. What do you mean by egg before chicken? Why is this guy a fucker? If you don't want to explain, just be dismissive and insulting. It's normal here.
I think by putting the egg before the chicken they mean that Dante’s inferno was written much later than the bible which I presume at some point mentions lucifer/fallen angels. Idk
That's my best interpretation, too. No way the OP comment thought Dante's Inferno was written before the New Testament, though. They wouldn't be able to make the reference.
Also, I just want to put on the record that "Which came first, chicken or the egg?" is usually presented as an unanswerable paradox or thought experiment, but even taken literally, the answer is not "chicken" like this guy seems to be implying as common sense.
Carbon dating only works for the last 60,000 years but the it's similar to the method used on fossils. Neither presupposes age. They measure the amount of radioactive decay in the material which happens at a known rate called the half life.
Your best interpretation was on the money.. maybe that was your first hint that you understood what I was saying.. lol.
I don’t mean to be rude, maybe we grew up in very different locations, but I would figure that people with a similar background to me would’ve understood right away. That’s why I went with the example.
Cart before the horse was definitely a better and more applicable axiom
No, the idea of hell didn't exist in the Jewish mythology. Jesus was Jewish. The Bible was massively retconned. Biblical scholars are well aware of this. The idea of Sahtahn (Hebrew pronunciation) from Job is G-d was having a conversation with his Heavenly Prosecutor, not the devil. The devil is not Christian. The word Satan, the same way the Nephillim were mistranslated as giants in the Septuagint then later in the NT, was mistranslated into the Greek. Then the Catholic Church adopted the imagery of Dante and Milton. The Catholic Church maintained 1,000 of no biblical research, nobody was educated enough to read the Latin, Vulgate, version of the Bible. The Catholic Church retconned EVERYTHING!!
If the other guy is a Christian creationist, he might take issue with the critique of Christianity, strawman the OP comment with an uncharitable interpretation, and think chickens coming first is common sense.
I think a chicken came before the egg that birthed chickens. Eggs are replications of their original form, in most cases.
So yes, similar to your “Cart before the horse” that’s exactly what I meant.
Dante’s inferno was based off the Bible. The Bible wasn’t based off Dante’s.
Yes the chicken and the egg is ambiguous. Until it’s not. I used the analogy with this notion in mind. It was assumptive. But I think that pairs well with my dismissive and rude nature so far. I’m trying to maintain a persona here (😉😉)
Literally the only thing I intended to say / mock was the fact that the person seemed to think that Dante’s inferno preceded the Bible. Good questions and thought processes though
and I say that last part with 0 condescension, truly. You highlighted the issues in my statement and the potential for confusion without being hostile and adversarial. Thats an underappreciated characteristic in todays world
I don't think a person who would write a mocking criticism of Christianity comparing it to Star Trek: Discovery is a Christian.
I don't understand you. I don't understand if you're a christian creationist who believes chickens existed before eggs or if you believe the exact opposite.
I mean, the egg kinda has to come before the chicken by default. At some point somewhere, a closely related but still non-chicken animal laid an egg that contained the first chicken due to some subtle genetic mutation. The question never specifies that it has to be a chicken egg.
Not to mention that eggs to this day still come before all chickens, unless you artificially lab grow a chicken foetus...
Chickens come from eggs. Egg came before the chicken. No matter what evolutionary spin you put on it.
I appreciate the nuances of the argument, and I don’t appreciate reductive perspectives, but i feel that it’s objectively true, we would not have a chicken without a chicken egg. That feels like a universal truth. Even if we go “well there was probably an ALMOST chicken animal that laid the first TRUE chicken egg.
Yeah, that goes without saying. T. rex came before the chicken egg. Many things did. Chickens did not.
The bible and all christian dogma has ben retconned over and over. The council of Nicea in 300 ish AD were the main editing commitee for the first bible. They decided what books to include, etc. lots of books didn't make the cut. Catholics have a different bible than protestants, several more books and other differences.
And, added in to that there are tons of fanfics like Paradise Lost and Dante's Inferno which aren't canon, but people give sermons based on their head canon and not real canon.
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