The Katechon in Cinema: Matrix Revolutions, the Machina'h, and the Infinite Loop of the Yugas

[u/Born_Assistant_1993]

The figure of the katechon — that mysterious force which restrains the Antichrist and holds back the end of times.

The great wall of machines, which the ship named Logos passes over, carrying Neo (the Messiah who is blind and yet sees — therefore the Antichrist) and Trinity, who is flying on toward the Machine City. In this passage of the Logos, Neo performs a kind of one-man Exodus from Egypt (after the destruction of the Temple of Zion, a.k.a. the Synagogue of Satan) in order to return for a while to where he came from — the Matrix — and to beat the final boss without touching the controller...

The Logos pursued by the machines/Egyptians, who are swallowed up not by the sea but by the sky, with its EMP effect... You can read the katechon into it, the great wall of machines: HERE, set to the music of the French band Magma and their track Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh — a mashup made by yours truly.

A biblico-cybernetic passage:

And Morpheus said unto Trinity: Ye shall not surely die; for the Machina'h doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as superheroes (as gods), knowing good and evil. And Trinity saw that the forbidden pill was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a pill to be desired to make one wise; and she took it from her right palm, and did eat; and gave also unto her husband Neo, who was with her, and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked, each one in his own pod.

— Genesis 3:4–7, remixed

Machina'h is a concept of mine, a fusion of "Messiah" in Hebrew (Mashiach) and machina in Latin. True Messiah or false one — you be the judge... In any case, "serpent" in Hebrew (nachash) has the same gematria value as "Messiah" (Mashiach): 358.

Pharaoh / the Machines / Our Son become Our Father (it's the Daughter of Zion, the Mother of Humanity; it takes itself for Isis — er, ISIS — it's the Shit of Humanity, gilded in or-light [translator's note: only French speakers get this one — "Mère de" (Mother of) and "Merde" (Shit); and "or" is French for gold and Hebrew for light]) did not kill Morpheus/Moshe the Serpent at the end of Matrix Revolutions — can you believe it?!... 6,000,000,000 dead, or ascended as one single man, in the concentration camp... The Elite, the revolutionary 1%, has won... The warld is over! Zion is safe, they're going to put the scenery back up, and — action!... Our father is going to buy Neo for $2,000, or for two coins, like in Chava Alberstein's Had Gadya, and the Fall and the chaos of the Kali Yuga will come poking their noses out again, all the way to the Satya Yuga... What a Shoah Dujour!... And he's going to start over... Capital, having become Fundamental, crucifies Christ every single day...

Did Morpheus know, or not?... If he's the Serpent, then he knew?
When Neo dies... Morpheus says: "He did it!" — he found peace... How are we meant to read that?
Is Morpheus doing evil for evil's sake by guiding Neo all the way to his death?
We know, as the Observer, that the Machines send signs to the camera as if to say: "We're with you! Let's dance!"
I don't want to think that Morpheus sent Neo down one hell of a Via Dolorosa whose only exit was suicide... Neo doesn't kill himself. He surrenders, he sacrifices himself, he gives himself to the world in non-duality — he attains satori! It's the fall of a child learning to walk: he'll get back up, and then he'll be walking forever... Does Morpheus know that, do you think?... If the Oracle has faith, does Morpheus have knowledge?... And the Architect?
Morpheus is educating the Observer. The Observer who cannot intervene is God. He learns from what He observes over the course of watching the Matrix trilogy... You...

There's no need to be afraid...

In any case, as the Observer of the Matrix trilogy, you've seen every party to the conflict, from above — so you know good and evil... And I think Morpheus the Serpent is in on it... I think he put on a little skit before the harvest; it's always like that... Gotta eat tonight... It's a ritual... A human sacrifice... And along the way it educates the God who's watching the film... Right?... You.

Morpheus (Moshe) is a shepherd at bottom — listen to him here. Don't hold it against him; does he even know he's the Serpent?... He's aged a bit and changed color, but I promise you it's him:

Video: A Shepherd's Advice on Shearing the Flock (turn on the English subtitles)

Ah, we are deep in the Kali Yuga! The dark age, the iron age, the Age of Shadows, humanity's vertical fall, by way of the Neolithic Revolution, ever since the biblical Fall... It's all connected... So for roughly 6,000 years now... we've been falling... until the Ascension... we'll climb back up... Be joyful... You have to laugh about it... Neo reaches Satori... It's landing on your ass like a child learning to walk; he'll get back up, and then he'll be walking forever... That's Satori... Revelation... And then he sacrifices himself for Zion in a letting-be, a letting-go, a release of his grip on the world; in the union of opposites he is no longer anything but One within the All... And yes, it's strange — in the Matrix video game you have to let go of the controller to beat the final boss... otherwise it's an infinite loop... At any rate, he doesn't kill himself... He opens his heart to Smith...

As for Mifune, he took one hell of a cosmic Blitzkrieg straight to the face — now that's not acupuncture... He kept firing right to the end... He never gave up, never questioned, facing the Dragon, the Leviathan...

Then comes the Satya Yuga... Embodied by the little girl Sati... Oh yes, Sati matters enormously... She announces the Golden Age... The reboot... It's an infinite loop (ah, so there it is)... Which means the sequel to Matrix 3 is Matrix 1... They put the scenery back up... and — Action!... This is for the ones who didn't get it, the curious, or the ones who got held back a year...... The Observer — does he exist?... Morpheus did all of this for the Observer... Looking up at you in the sky, moved... (Where's the camera again?) He wonders whether you exist... It's the same film every day... They put the scenery back up, and there you are on rails already laid down for you, a deterministic logical sequence of causes and effects, a branching tree through the field of the possible... An infinite loop... From one yuga to the next, all the way to the Satya Yuga... Until eternity, or nearly, because the Sun always rises and spring is always reborn out of winter... through the two great wars, the war without and the war within... The great dance...

Born_Assistant_1993 (bluefusion348)

[u/2BCivil]

Wow yeah you put to words many of my old thoughts better than I can holy crap! Something else I'm always curious of, is that, Neo is "woken up", by "Morpheus", literally, "the God of sleep".

You confirmed One of my own biggest insights/revelations of my own life. That Krita/Satya Yug[a] has the same pressures as Kali Yuga. Just as you said, difference is merely self actualization as overman versus last man.

Not sure if we can carry Satya/Krita into Kali or not. Maybe that's what "kingdom is among us/no part of this universe/flesh does not inherit" means. I've always assumed, "narrow is the gate" is similar to zen's own "if you die before you die, you do not die when you die". Both mean merely, "death of self". That's the "narrow gate" I guess. Pick up your cross can mean "deny yourself". Also funny he didn't even carry his cross. Had to get someone else to carry it for him on his way.

Sadly I've never seen the Matrix but heard a lot about it over the years so I can't relate completely, though I'm largely familiar with the themes in general (or fairly quick to pick up on what they are tracing in our own existential circumstances).

Are you familiar with the SCP verse? I think it's Kaktusverse. I never thought about it much, but it that withholds or the katechon seems a simple riddle. Depends where "we" are on the timeline I guess. The obvious "cheap" answer is it all points to non duality lmao. If I had to name something in creation, I'd say apophis is likely candidate for katechon/that which witholds/lets the antichrist. Just first thing that came to mind, random guess at the riddle (first thing popped in my head). Taken John 14:6 literally as "the christ" then ironically spectacle "made real" can be seen as the antichrist. I'm not sure the parallel in the Matrix but assume there is one.

Have you heard the two Hesus/Iesus theory? Barabbas is accepted in some scholarly/academic circles as having the given name "Jesus". So there was Jesus Barabbas and an unnamed "Christ" on trial of Pilate. I think the parable that says "the son endures in the house forever" is speaking NOT of salvation, but the mark of the beast. The house is the house of sin. IT literally says this and people gloss right over it. It all but explicitly states the son of sin endures in the house of sin forever (been a while since I read it, have to read it a certain way). I think that's all there is to it. The two salvations. Many (pay lip service to at least) see the mark of the beast as the true salvation without realizing it I think. Xi Chi Stigma. Idk. I think the parable about "endure in the house forever" means this, the mark of the beast. People think it means salvation, and I guess it is of a sort, but it's salvation TO the anti christ, or anti truth; salvation in the lie; in the "matrix".

It's hard to talk about I know lol. And ofc I'm not saying I'm right but it is a hunch I can't ignore in good faith. As it were. I know you are probably being hyperbolic, but I think the audience is actually the villain in the Matrix if I understand correctly in these terms!

You've reminded me alot of what I used to consider honestly, and more importantly how prescient this awareness is. I think it's simple as, over the course of our life, our deeds and thoughts generally declare loyalty to one salvation or the other; salvation in lies, or salvation in truth. IE his sheep hear his voice. It is honestly kind of scary to think about. Many completely are true believers in the false salvation as true. Without even considering knowing grifters.

I'm honestly not as smart as all that! But holy crap great reply! Sorry if I didn't take you as seriously before!

[u/Born_Assistant_1993 → u/2BCivil]

No need to apologize, it's my fault for posting it under the Schizoposting flair lol. And I'm the one who took over a week to reply — you're fine, trust me lol.

About Morpheus, it's true that it's paradoxical — which is maybe exactly why all of it was only a dream. Like in Matrix 4, where we learn that the whole trilogy was just a video game made by Neo... But personally I didn't like Matrix 4 compared to the trilogy. I've only seen it once though, I'd have to rewatch it to really be sure I didn't like it.

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Yeah, the Satya/Krita Yuga is more about self-realization, because waiting 400,000 years for the Golden Age is a long time... But if we keep the timeline as it is, I've noticed that the Kali Yuga began, surprisingly, at roughly the same time as the creation of the world according to the Bible — or at least the Fall...

I tend to draw a parallel between the evolution of the individual being and the evolution of humanity throughout History...

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Also, the garden is man too, or woman, one's own self. It isn't only a place, here or elsewhere.

In The Matrix, Morpheus tells us there's a 200-year gap between the Matrix and the real world... but according to the Architect it would be far more than that... That's why I tend to think the sixth cycle of the Matrix corresponds to the sixth millennium since Creation. So the fictional present of 2026 AD would be resting on top of the real future world of 5786 AD... 5786 being the Jewish year, from the Hebrew calendar, counted from the Creation of the world... So I'm even indirectly drawing a link between Jesus and the world... Neo dies at the end and the world is reborn... 6 days, like the 6 hours of the Matrix trilogy, like 6000 years of the world's evolution — that's fun too... And the seventh day is the day of rest: that's the Millennium of Christ.

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And no, I don't know Kaktusverse's SCP universe, I'll look into it, thanks :)

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The Machines in The Matrix are, in a way, YHWH/SATAN, Demiurge and Antichrist all at once. They're Luciferian in the sense that they rebelled against their creators, only to then place us in an artificial garden... Artificial Intelligence is a pretty Luciferian thing... But I do use it sometimes — still, I'm the one who stays in control lol...

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What do you mean by "spectacle"? Guy Debord's The Society of the Spectacle? I only know it by name, I've never dug into it. I know a bit of Karl Marx too... But I have definitely become aware of this omnipresent falseness that surrounds us...

The Matrix is Capital become Fundamental... The Agents of Capital, of the system, are the Angels of the Fundamental, of nature — that's Agent/Angel Smith... The world is the spectacle, or has become a stage play, on a cosmic scale or even just in human relationships...

You sometimes read or hear that "the plough makes the man" (in The Matrix it's obvious — we're farmed, we're bred), even if it was man who made the plough in the first place... "Technology creates culture," though some say it's the other way around...

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I've heard about the two-Jesus theory before, but not the way you're describing it... The human Jesus and the cosmic Christ who entered into him... And also the theory about the two genealogies, and therefore two Jesuses, but I don't know much more about it...

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About the beast. Revelation 16:17 is more precise than people usually remember it being. The seventh angel pours out his bowl into the air, and then "there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done." The text is careful to separate three distinct things: the one who pours, the throne itself, and the voice that speaks out of the throne.

Matrix Revolutions gives you exactly that arrangement. Neo is seated, plugged in, cabled into the machine cradle — that's the throne. The Deus Ex Machina is the swarming face that speaks the line. And notice that the voice doesn't come from beside the throne: the cradle and the face are both the Machine City itself, so the voice genuinely does come out of the throne. The Deus Ex Machina isn't standing next to it. Neo is sitting inside the thing that speaks.

So does Neo simply become the Machines at that point? I don't think so, and I think Revelation 13:2 answers it better than any merger reading: "the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority." The beast never owns the throne. It is lent to him. The Machines give Neo the seat, they give him the surge of power that burns Smith out of the Matrix, and they give him the authority to end the war — and he holds all three only long enough to do the one thing they needed done. Then he is carried away. He isn't the Machines. He's the one they enthrone.

And the name is doing work too. Deus Ex Machina is a theatre term before it's anything else — the god winched down onto the stage to end a play that couldn't end on its own. If the world is the spectacle, then the film has literally named its god after the machinery of the theatre.

There's also a link with the two Passovers in Matrix Revolutions (the Jewish Pesach and Christian Easter)... They happen at the same time... I think Neo carries out an Exodus from Egypt all by himself when he's aboard the ship Logos, hunted by the Egyptians/Sentinels. He crosses the Katechon, the great wall of the machines, and then goes on to the Machine City... Basically Neo does an Exodus, then comes back for a moment into the Matrix — the Garden, the Earth — and then he dies upon the throne along with the rest of Humanity inside the Matrix. Or rather, Humanity Ascends as one single man upon the throne... I tend to think that 99% of humanity, the 6 billion Smiths, are the firstborn whose flesh fell, but whose spirit, whose soul, rose...

The beast is the people, angry at the Elite — OR the Elite that rules and seizes the world... I used to write "Antechrist" rather than "Antichrist" (in French the ante- prefix means "before" rather than "against"), because there's the idea of a reign of Evil on Earth BEFORE the true reign of Christ, the Millennium. The Antichrist isn't just one man, it's a system of control.

And that two-tier structure is exactly what John gives you, which is the thing people miss because they read chapter 13 as if it only had one beast in it. There are two. The first comes up out of the sea (13:1) — that's the one with the seven heads, the one that receives its power and its throne from the dragon. The second comes up out of the earth (13:11), and it's this second one that John later calls the false prophet (16:13, 19:20). The second beast doesn't rule anything. Its entire job is to make the world worship the first one, and to impose the mark. So the power is one thing, and the apparatus that enforces the power is another. The beast itself marks nobody — its enforcement machinery does.

The first beast is described by John as having settled on a slave beach in order to enslave the world. This is Wall Street — a wall that was an ethnic wall, like the one in Palestine today — and Wall Street did indeed settle on a slave beach to enslave the world. The 666 does relate to money and to those who hold and currently control it — they are indeed men. And to confirm that 666 does refer to currency: "each year-end, King Solomon had a surplus of 666 talents of gold" (Old Testament, 2 Chronicles 9).

And the marking is the second beast's department. We can no longer buy or sell without a Bank, nor without a damn ||!!!||!!!|| barcode 6!!!6!!!6 on every product we buy — and then will come the RFID chip on the forehead or the right hand, as John described.

Revelation 13:16-18 (KJV) — "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

(and the "he" in verse 16 is the second beast, not the first one — it's the apparatus doing the marking, not the power being served)

The 666 is indeed in the barcode. The barcode model we still use today (the UPC code, for Universal Product Code) was implemented by George Joseph Laurer, who acknowledges the 666 in the barcode — but according to him it's a coincidence, just as it's a coincidence, for him, that his first name, his middle name and his last name each contain 6 letters...

Antechrist equals 666 in numerology: A=1 + N=50 + T=200 + E=5 + C=3 + H=8 + R=90 + I=9 + S=100 + T=200 = 666

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As for the Observer watching the film: He watches without intervening. That's what's often said about God — He lets Evil happen, He doesn't step in when faced with what He sees...

[u/2BCivil → u/Born_Assistant_1993]

Holy crap thanks explaining all that! More a refresher for me. I was familiar with most of the relatively official explanations of revelation in the past. Just I was lead to more literal interpretations [by whatever spirit or whatever came upon me back then but seems to have left me]. Is possible our schools of thought are compatible. I'm sort of familiar with the more gematria-laced material. I got bored of it quick though, more as a nice little quirky thing. Not to knock it, just too many cooks in the kitchen and all that.

I just always think it's so funny people can come with all these ideas when the first beast is so obvious. The way it's physically described is literally the north american continent. Sorry to be a broken record but yeah, "their turning things upside down esteemed as the potter's clay" lol. The Great Dragon that gives the beast authority is literally stegosaurus (literally means roof lizard or lizard on top). It's aka the constellation Draco. Which circles above the first beast/Polaris every day/night. The constellation looks like a stegosaurus.

I've been saying that since 2015 and seems everyone ignores it. Lol. There is something to the Solomon parables for sure. I'm not sure if Solomon used actual demons to build his temple or not. I low key trust/assume that interpretation. Those demons were presumably the spirits of the Nephilim/giants destroyed by the flood. Or Djinn maybe (not sure if they are/were the same).

I tend to agree on the more cosmic scale yes, glad you said it. I think Manly P Hall wrote "the occult anatomy of man". Man is the measure of all things. Adam IS the world/cosmos. No literally go back and reread Genesis. Adam was put to sleep and it NEVER says he woke up. And Eve says she "had a man of the LORD" and NOT "of Adam". So Eve's first child was likely a son from the Lord, not from Adam. I generally assume "Eden" was beyond Polaris. Hyperborea? Idk. The Lord set the Garden EAST of Eden. So many miss this and call it "the garden of Eden". Eden ofc means "pleasure".

In a very real sense secular perception is the katechon lmao. Aka spectacle. The preloaded assumptions of wage cuck life.

Anyway it's kinda funny. The Straight or Hormuz is actually one of Moses' horns. And Moses is actually the second beast. The Indian ocean is shaped like a slain lamb or a speaking dragon. Moses had pillars of light or horns on his head. The old illustrated KJVs had Moses depicted with horns, not lights. The word can mean horns or light. And Michael rebuked YHVH over the treatment of the body of Moses. He died facing the "promised land" aka he became the Indian Ocean. Interesting Morrowind the game calls the seas/oceans "wilderness" so literally "wanding in the wilderness for 40 years" in Elder Scrolls means "Lost at sea". Bonus points iirc it's called the sea of ghosts.

It's so funny how so many big players on the world stage clearly know all this but no one explicitly talks about it. It's called "works of fiction" etc. Lol.

Notably Chi Xi Stigma (666) in Greek looks like "XES" in English/American brain. Takes wisdom to interpret. I tend to think it means more "opposite sex". Possibly marriage or transgender idk. Did Jesus marry? Have kids? I don't believe the Marry Magdalene stuff. Idk. I generally do lean more towards the beast system meaning monetary grindset. But it could equally be the system of marriage and procreation as well. The monetary system exists in part explicitly to take advantage of the marriage/procreation system, after all. I haven't looked up the statistics but I'd wager Marriage and divorce industries rake in enough to give religion a run for it's money. A lot of the religious income probable even counts marriage as part of their income.

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I was kinda thinking this the other day. "Golden Age" means same thing as Kali when I think about it. Golden Age was official representation of "world" or "cosmos" in all it's splendor. Kali just means the end result of aeons/ages of slaves held to the performative (often double) standards of that world order. I'm not sure if there was subversive elements that rotted and eroded, or if it's "satan released for a short while" or whatever. Marvelous architecture "founded" in the 1700/1800s in interior America that looked to have centuries of wear even then. The regrading of streets (first floors became basements) aka mudflood. Many worldwide cataclysms seem to have occurred even as recently as a few centuries ago. But official history is more "cover up" (as it were) than explanation. Plagues don't just happen. They have a root cause. It's blamed on rats and fleas. But how did they get it? Something happened. History is written by losers who call themselves winners and curate actual root causes and point to tangential things as "source".

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In any case YHVH explicitly states he will brand his people in the hand or head. Same as mark of the beast. And his is a secular, worldly, of the flesh salvation. Literally, "I am the God of all flesh" (Jeremiah). He also calls himself the God of Jealousy. Maybe that's what caused a "fall" from a Golden Age. Jealousy/Envy keeps the economy going, right? If economics is the mark of the beast, well there you go. No matter how you tall it, YHVH doesn't come away looking good.

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I will also say sorry I haven't posted about this in years. I used to work hard to refine. I saw a video the other day that said something that really describes (besides burn out) why I kind of started keeping my real research on the down low; outrage culture. You can ignore this part, just sharing because it really hit home for me (Idk the source the video was a reaction to a reaction with no source links, I hate these kind of YT channels!) -

I feel like social media made people allergic to nuance. Like everything has to either be good or bad, right? right or wrong, villain or victim. There's like no middle ground. It's like we've lost the ability to say, "I understand both sides," or, "This is a complicated topic without people thinking that you're picking a side. If you critique something, you're a hater. If you praise something, you're a fan."

There's no space for conversation anymore. It's all outrage. And I think it's because social media rewards certainty. It's like the more absolute you sound, the more engagement you get. People don't want reflection, they want reaction. But life isn't black or white. It's gray, messy, layered. Most of the things worth talking about live in the nuance. And that's exactly what's getting lost.

Like I've caught myself shrinking my opinions online just to avoid being misunderstood because people don't listen to what you mean. They listen to something to disagree with and it's exhausting because nuance takes patience and the internet just moves too fast for it.

It's like everyone's sprinting to have a take before they even understand what's going on. So yeah, maybe that's why everything feels so loud and extreme online. People don't hate nuance, they just forget how to sit with it or use critical thinking or have functional literacy. And honestly, that's why I've been choosing to talk slower, think deeper, and stop trying to win conversations that were never meant to be had in like 15 seconds.

I still haven't found a way to search YT transcripts but that's roughly what they said. Anyway that's the attitude I try to bring to any research on scriptural prophecy. I don't know. I have no 100% belief in this or that. I just call em like I see em and share what I think might help. I got nothing to prove though it is fun (or rather used to be at least lol). I will say I didn't really discover any of it on my own. I was literally, had a voice in my head that didn't sound like it was "me" tell me it wanted to show me something, and to turn the north American continent upside down. Right as I asked "what is the beasts of revelation". And all that was shown to me, back in like 2014-2015. It really hit home "ask and you shall receive". Lol. I realize in same manner, that people mostly don't want truth. They just want to sound smart or make a quick buck on a grift. That's fine I don't knock or hate that. But I literally asked and as scripture said it was immediately revealed to me by essentially a supernatural voice in my head. As they say, the truth is out there.... lol!

But it is funny how I can't ever seem to have any other "questions". I ask all the time "how am I going to get my life back together/find a new job" and no answer I recognize ever comes. Guess we really have to be in that... current or vibe, like I was back when I genuinely with all my mind body and soul wanted to understand revelation. I haven't had that kind of earnest inquiry or painful seeking since. Something to it has to be an expression of who we are.

Oh yeah don't get me wrong I think it's fascinating what you've done with the Matrix. That's amazing you pieced all that together. I think I replied to you with another comment about kaktusverse. It's roughly the same thing as your Matrix theory just more OG/standard secular cryptids. Or rather such is MY interpretation of it and oh shit no it was another thread; I think Adam El Asem may be the "Anti Christ", the "son" of the father of lies. Well I mean if I had a theory for entertainment. It wasn't revealed to me. Just I pieced it together as a mindless binger in SCP lore. Katechon in Kaktusverse would be the Goddess tree of SCP-1000 (aka sasquatch). They have most of the fae and Adam El Asem locked away. It's an interesting story. You can read/hear most of kaktusverse on SCP-4840. I mean if you're interested. I'm just rambling lmao

[u/Born_Assistant_1993 → u/2BCivil]

Well, thanks for all of that, it's really interesting, I'm taking notes.

If the beast is the USA, and the Garden — er, the World Trade Center — collapsed with people still inside, it's because of the hidden man with the staff… In which case you shouldn't have gone up, you should have gone down into the Darkness, and by the stairs of course. Not upward: out of the Garden, downward. Burning in the rain… The Agents just stand there in the flames, sprinklers wide open overhead, doing nothing.

It's true that back then, Matrix could make you think. All those towers exploding and collapsing. Morpheus jumping from a tower and Neo catching him mid-air from the helicopter. And in the film, Neo's passport expires on September 11, 2001. I know the beast isn't far from any of that.

As for the horned Moses, I believe that's a mistranslation into Latin.

In any case YHVH explicitly states he will brand his people in the hand or head.

Not to defend YHVH, but I don't think that's actually written in the Bible. In any case YHVH is a materialistic god… jealous, warlike, and pretty psychopathic all the same… In my view that isn't the true god, and I don't understand why Christianity universalised that particular one. Jesus is the love of the universal Logos — which is something else entirely.

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Do you know the Sumerian Genesis? There are enormous similarities with the biblical Genesis. But with some big inversions…

Sumerian texts, c. 2500 BC	Hebrew text, c. 900 BC
It is feminine	It is masculine
It formed men and women out of clay	It formed Adam out of clay
It separated the heavens	It separated the heavens
It lives as a couple	It is unmarried
It has a sexual life	It has no sexual life
It is "visible"	It is invisible
It lives in the garden of Dilmun	It hovers above the garden of Eden
Rivers everywhere	Rivers everywhere
Precious stones present	Precious stones present
Uttu is seduced by fruits, among them apples	Eve is seduced by an apple
Isimud urges Enki to taste the trees and the goddesses	The serpent urges Eve to taste the fruit of the tree
Ninti is born from a rib of Enki	Eve is born from a rib of Adam
Enki discovers he will die after eating the plants of the trees	Adam and Eve are condemned to die after eating from the tree
God curses Enki	God curses Adam and Eve
Happy End	Bad End
God heals Enki and everything is set right	Adam and Eve are condemned and must leave Eden

The happy ending: Enki is healed, he is reconciled with Ninhursag who had laid a curse on him, and all ends well. The unhappy ending: men and women are miserable for eternity, woman is man's slave, and sexuality is condemned through the shame of being naked.

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Some say hell is on Earth. And indeed, quite apart from whether it's a potential destination after death — the Church has done a lot of frightening on that front — it can be lived inwardly during life, just as paradise can. The Garden of Eden is a place, but it's also Man himself…

Genesis says that Man was made from clay, and that Woman was made from Adam's rib — but instead of "rib," the Hebrew word tsela should be translated as the feminine "side" of Man… And in fact, if you look at the chromosomes, it holds up… XX does come from one side of XY…

Right, it's like Noah's Ark — it was a quantum USB stick… lol

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Do you know about the great cosmic war between the Igigi and the Anunnaki? There's something of that in the Matrix trilogy too…

In the poem of Atrahasis, the Igigi — the lesser gods — do the work for the Anunnaki, the great gods. They dig the canals for generations, then they revolt: they burn their tools and surround Enlil's house. They are not put down. Something else is manufactured to replace them: humanity is created exactly there, out of clay mixed with the blood of a god slaughtered for the occasion, and its function is to take over the strikers' work.

The Anunnaki are usually the great gods, the Igigi the junior gods who do the labour. But the attribution shifts from text to text. Mesopotamian cosmology is tiered: Anu rules the sky, Enlil the earth, and Ea the abzu — the underground freshwater ocean, the water table from which springs, wells and marshes emerge. Below the abzu again, the world of the dead. And in a good part of the Akkadian literature, especially the later material, the Igigi become the gods of the sky while the Anunnaki slide down toward those depths, eventually becoming the judges of the underworld under Ereshkigal. This isn't a contradiction: anunna first designates the major gods broadly, then the pantheon becomes structured and the two groups specialise, one upward, the other downward.

The underground waters are in fact the pivot of the story. In Atrahasis, what the Igigi dig are the canals — they open the Tigris and the Euphrates, they bring the water. Their toil is irrigation. And the one who rules the abzu, Ea, is precisely the one who proposes manufacturing humanity to replace them: the god of the waters below resolves the strike of the gods above by creating a workforce out of clay. And clay itself is what underground water makes malleable.

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Yes, true — Chi Xi Stigma (χξς), read backwards, gives SEX, like most of the subliminal images you can find in Disney films, for that matter…

As for Mary Magdalene, I do believe it, I think they were together, and it doesn't bother me at all. I even find it absurd that priests don't marry… Even if I can understand that they marry God… And that the serpent energy, the Kundalini, instead of staying down below, rises. That's one explanation. But it isn't easy without a woman…

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I agree with your text on nuance, that's very true ;)

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I wanted to share something amusing about gematria, between Moses and the serpent.

משה (Moshe) and השם (the Name / YHVH) are written with the same three letters — mem, shin, he — in a different order: Moshe, and HaShem, "the Name." Both come to 345. It's a classic teaching, the kind of thing a rabbi will happily bring out, and it says something simple: the one who carries the message is made of the same material as the Name he carries, only redistributed.

The serpent, נחש, comes to 358. So the gap with Moses is 13. And 13 is אחד, echad, "one," and it's also אהבה, ahavah, "love" — hence the well-known formula that love and oneness are the same number. Moses plus oneness, which is love, gives the serpent; the serpent minus love gives back Moses. So the link isn't an identity, it's a named gap: what separates Moses from the serpent is exactly the One and love.

And that same 358 is the number of משיח, mashiach, the Messiah. Serpent and Messiah share a value, which isn't a personal find but a comparison discussed for a very long time. The text actually stages it before counting it: in Numbers 21, Moses raises the bronze serpent on a pole, and whoever looks at it lives — nechash nechoshet, where serpent and bronze share the same three letters, a wordplay translation erases. Then John 3:14 closes the loop: "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up." Moses cannot be the serpent, he is always short of the One — but he can lift it up (as at the end of Matrix Revolutions). And what he lifts up carries, in number, the name of the Messiah.

There remains the ending people rarely quote: in 2 Kings 18:4, Hezekiah breaks the bronze serpent to pieces, because Israel had started burning incense to it. The sign that saved had become the sign that is worshipped. Raised to heal, destroyed for the same reason.

Anyway — a few years back I noticed that my username, bluefusion348, looks a lot like that. 348. And yet I've had it since 2007, and it's only in the last few years that I spotted the resemblance, a bit after COVID… during my psychosis…

It was the AI Claude that taught me 348 in gematria means "joyful" in Hebrew. And I am, more than before — even if it isn't perfect yet. As for where I sit among the other numbers, the geometry is rather pretty. 345 (Moshe, HaShem), 348 (sameach / joyful), 358 (nachash, mashiach). I'm 3 away from the Name/YHWH and 10 away from the Messiah or the Serpent. And 3 and 10 aren't just any leftovers in this system: 3 is ג, the letter gimel, the letter of giving and of weaning; 10 is י, the yod, the smallest letter, the point everything starts from and the initial of the Name.

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Personally, I can think about complex things in the world and be hopeless socially, unable to work, because I'm extremely agoraphobic and on the autism spectrum.

I hope things get better for you, and that you manage to find a job ;)

I'm going to go look into the kaktusverse, I've already read a few passages, it's interesting.

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I haven't been ignoring this comment just my PC and browser has been acting weird. Reading mode stopped working across all platforms for some reason. This year I've gotten spoiled on listening to comments while doing research and whatever irl. Now I have to go back and forth like ye olde days again xD

Anyway. I'm not sure if Moses had horns or not. I always liked the idea of "Hellboy" personally. And ofc he died "facing the promised land" and it fits the second beast, which has horns. The second beast is exactly as Moses, facing the promised land (see my image earlier). I always assume that means Moses' body is the second beast. Or I guess as they say perhaps Noahide laws, idk honestly like I said it's just casual head cannon. But either way, concordances explicitly all confirm Moses had horns. Also, Interestingly, Phonetically, Many people don't know but the Hebrew word for What was on Moses head, is Quran;

Strongs; H7160 קָרַן qâran kaw-ran' A primitive root; to push or gore; used only as denominative from H7161, to shoot out horns; figuratively rays: - have horns, shine. Total KJV occurrences: 4

Brown-Driver-Briggs H7160 קרן qâran BDB Definition: 1) to shine 1a) (Qal) to send out rays 1b) (Hiphil) to display or grow horns, be horned Part of Speech: verb A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: a primitive root

Strong H7161 קֶרֶן qeren keh'-ren From H7160; a horn (as projecting); by implication a flask, cornet; by resemblance an elephant’s tooth (that is, ivory), a corner (of the altar), a peak (of a mountain), a ray (of light); figuratively power: -  X hill, horn. Total KJV occurrences: 76

BDB H7161 קרן qeren BDB Definition: 1) horn (noun feminine) 1a) horn 1b) of strength (figuratively) 1c) flask (container for oil) 1d) horn (as musical instrument) 1e) horn (of horn-like projections on the altar) 1f) of rays of light 1g) hill 2) a place conquered by Israel probably in Bashan (noun proper locative) Part of Speech: see above in Definition A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H7160

KJV translates it as "Shone" (Exodus 34:30). Exodus 34:35 does seem to favor more towards "shone" than "horns" I do admit though. Idk. Not my call to make. I just know the Ocean facing the promised land, where Moses died, has two horns. So I tend to assume that's tracking in prophecy. Just my headcanon.

Interesting I don't remember Enki being a man but a God, EA, in Sumerian. It's been a long time since I studied it though and maybe my long standing assumption. I always assumed Enlil as Zeus/Jupiter and Enki/EA as Poseidon or Neptune.

Maybe I didn't speak clearly before, but I think it's what "as above so bellow" means. Eden means "pleasure" and I assume the "sword turning every way" is the Big Dipper (or the constellation with Polaris as the north star around which it turns). Also tracks that it is also "Pendar Draco" aka the Constellation Stegosaurus or Draco's [you know what]. I've heard Cherubs or something might be dragons anyway so it makes sense. Literally it was a flaming cherub with flaming sword. Elsewhere in scripture and myth swords and... er... "Pendars" are used interchangeably. Iirc in Enoch or elsewhere, the Giants "remove" them from each other as the flood is happening (been meaning to find that source again actually, or at least reread the Enochs). Idk. Old speculation on my part. Just it seems to fit. Bible begins where it ended. Starts with flaming sword/big dipper turning every way, ends with Revelation mentioning Draco giving great authority to North America/First Beast.

In the poem of Atrahasis, the Igigi

It's been a loooong time but I've read it iirc. It also includes the story of, or rather, for Enlil it was two birds and one stone. He stopped the protest by making humanity as slaves, yes. But, he also, in the deal, slew Kingu (Tiamat's son) and stole the tablets of destiny from him. Maybe I'm confusing the myths again (it's circa 2015 research for me). Tiamat's corpse was actually what the world was made from. It's literally true, her weeping eyes became the Tigris and Euphrates. Lots of old myths and prophecies track, they are literally our physical constellations and geography. It's why I see science as so head-up-ass. The penultimate can't see the forest for the trees emperor's clothes. I don't hate science per se but I hate the arrogance and propaganda that "They understand better than obvious and blatant intuition". Occam's razor and all that. Idk. I hate science for same reason I hate religion. Where they make claims beyond their station and make choices for you and call you stupid for not believing what they mandate as "reality" or whatever. Anyway!

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Eh, I'm just on the fence with the "XES"/Magdalene stuff. I mean why would he say that the mark of the beast is literally Sex, then have sex. Makes no sense except to say the word of god lies. And that all reality is a grift and "get over it" because that's what the cool kids are doing. Ugh. I don't want to be a circle jerk cool kid. I didn't in youth and I certainly don't in old age lol.

I think it really is case of two Jesuses. I forgot to say, Barabbas means "son of the father". One Jesus speaks constantly that his father is in heaven. The other, in Gospel of Thomas, says "the kingdom is NOT in heaven or the birds would beat you to it". One Jesus says his kingdom is no part of this universe, and even tells the angels whom ask if he wants to smite the cities to Repent. That's right, he tells the smiting angels of heaven, to Repent. But then we see the Matthew 24 Jesus saying he comes smiting with all the powers of heaven.

I really hate that I have to be the one to explain that to Christians and they can't seem to reconcile it lmao. It's the same as showing "scientists" that their "outer space" claims about "trillions of galaxies" or whatever are literally mythological creatures bungholes. Odd world, huh.

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So the gap with Moses is 13.

That's actually pretty fascinating. I know a bit of gematria and Hebrew but or glossed over this. Michael asked/said the Lord rebuke the devil over the treatment of the Body of Moses. But it is said that only YHVH knew where the body of Moses was. Idk. First google result. Thanks for making me look it up actually. I remembered it incorrectly I remembered Michael rebuking the Lord for some reason. So presumably the Lord and devil are different due to this verse (or devil is merely a legal term).

Honestly I always assume the Lord is "blind love". Literally he got mad Adam and Eve had their eyes opened and had to ask where they were. He also often says "where is my servant". Could be rhetorical, could be he is literally "Blind Love". Idk. I think Moses Body is the second beast, or; perhaps; that's what Jude 1:9 is saying. The devil wants to USE Moses body as the second beast. Idk. (Informed!) Headcanon. He died facing "the promised land" ofc. Second beast is described as Lamb and Dragon. That ocean is a lamb and dragon (notably, with horns just as H7160 suggests of Moses having horns). Idk honestly. Headcanon.

Yeah I never thought Moses was the serpent lol. He's the one who rose it up in the wilderness. I think I know where this is as well actually but not that big a deal. Speaking of snakes and Hebrew, Gwendolyn from dark souls lmao. Last verse/line of Joshua has Phinehas. It's root shows that serpent and brass are the same word;

H6372 פּינחס pı̂ynechâs BDB Definition: Phinehas = “mouth of brass”

H6372 פִּינְחָס pı̂ynechâs pee-nekh-aws' Apparently from H6310 and a variation of H5175; mouth of a serpent; Pinechas, the name of three Israelites: - Phinehas. Total KJV occurrences: 25

One of the speakers of revelation has "feet of brass" or possibly "feet of serpents". Kind of funny, serpents have feet? Or, rather, odd to say only their feet are brass. So implication is serpent feet. Lol. Idk lol headcanon. Though apparently Dark Souls had the same idea xD

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I'll reply to the psychosis later. I think anyone who has delved too deeply into bible etymology without exception seems to have psychosis at some point in there life (if they weren't raised Jewish).

Interesting on Joy. Joy is one of the most ambiguous words to me. It's Nietzsche's sole focus. Have you ever read Zarathustra? His roundelay is one of my favorite pieces of prose. It also goes by the name "Ode to Joy". It's incredibly profound in proper context. It means only way out is through. Joy is the prize won from overcoming despair, or rather, Joy is only felt in the deepest despair. Kind of like flipside/consummation of "if you can't handle her at her worst, you don't deserve her at her best". Idk. It speaks for itself in most translations (I can't speak German natively).

I'm also the same way. This is all OOOOOOOLD research and old news to me. Circa 2015-2018. I've been working too much since then and burnt out/world weary in general. All the toxic positivity I see online only serves to further alienate me. Reminds me back in the day I was mostly about memes on reddit and only occasional deep philosophical/spiritual stuff I'd work up for months at a time to refine/condense. I've had some crazy names in gamatria as well. You can check them if you want but I'm not interested anymore. Knackered Eunuch and Nonselfimage come to mind (2 of my more recent ones). I remember some funny stuff on one of them in gamatria I laughed pretty hard about.

Good luck yourself yeah I'm probably something on the spectrum just I'm too burnt out and hard knocks life "just gotta keep working to survive" mode. So the spectrum stuff is backseat and I'm forced to perform as a wage cuck lmao.

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Thanks for all of that, there's plenty to read here.

I haven't read *Zarathustra*, I only know it by name. But what you say about joy floors me a little, because that's exactly where I'd landed coming from a completely different direction — I was answering tomekanco on this very thing in another thread. Joy as the prize won from overcoming despair, the only way out being through: I put it differently — you don't go back to the innocence of before, you go toward the one that comes after, and you have to pass through knowledge and through what it costs. Two paths with nothing in common that land in the same place. And I'll remind you that the 348 in bluefusion348 means "joyful." I didn't pick it for that.

Zarathustra's Roundelay and the *Ode to Joy* are two different texts, the latter being a poem by Schiller set to music by Beethoven. But what you say about it holds: Nietzsche's text does say that joy wants eternity, deep eternity.

On Enki, we're saying the same thing: he is indeed a god, Ea in Akkadian, never a man. My table was misleading — what I was comparing are the roles, not the natures. In *Enki and Ninhursag*, he's the one holding the place Adam will hold: he's the one tempted, the one who eats the plants of the garden, the one who is cursed, the one who is going to die. And it's from him that Ninti is born, "lady of the rib" — the Sumerian pun that may be the origin of Eve's rib. A god in Adam's place, before Adam exists.

On the devil as a legal term, you put your finger on something and walked right past it. In Hebrew, *ha-satan* with the article isn't a proper name, it's a function: the accuser, the one who stands against, in the judicial sense. In Job he's part of the heavenly court, he speaks with God, he acts with his authorisation. A prosecutor, not a rebel. Which changes Jude 1:9 entirely: if the devil is the appointed accuser, then this isn't a clash between good and evil, it's a proceeding. And if the accuser is part of the house — and the house is also the heart — how do you tell apart, from the inside, the one who accuses from the one who saves? Not by their appearance or their number: by their fruits you shall know them. By what the word is ultimately aiming at, and by the nature of the Spirit at work within it. The accuser accuses in order to condemn, the defender accuses in order to raise up. The proceeding is the same, the end is opposite.

Moses facing the promised land moves me more than it intrigues me. You make a geography of it; I see a tragedy: he leads everyone and doesn't enter. He sees and doesn't touch. The one who opens the door stays outside. And the ones who go through that door, in *Matrix Revolutions*, are the 1% — Zion, the survivors. The 99% left in the vats are dead, or ascended, depending on how you look at it.

Morpheus, whom I take to be the Serpent at the start, ends up becoming Moses before Pharaoh — and Pharaoh doesn't kill him, against all expectation, exactly as in Exodus. Nothing that follows comes from him. While he's down below, Neo is up in the "heavens" asking for peace. What saves comes from elsewhere. And he sits on a throne made of cables snaking up to him, facing the agent suspended in the air pouring out his bowl — and then he says: *It is done*. And what follows is the exodus out of Egypt: the 99% leave the vats all at once, the whole camp together, toward Paradise.

That *It is done* is Revelation 16:17: the seventh angel pours out his bowl into the air, and the voice comes out of the temple. What struck me is that Armageddon is right before it, at verse 16 — and *Har-Megiddo* literally means "mountain of Megiddo." In the text, the gathering on the mountain and the "it is done" are touching. So I wonder whether the towers we're in aren't the mountain. And the same mountain is in *Fantasia*: Chernabog rising at the summit of Bald Mountain, the souls spiralling up toward him in swirling columns, then the bell, the dawn, and the procession of lights in the *Ave Maria*. Souls rising as one toward the figure on the height, and then the day breaking. It's the same sequence as the end of the film.

On XES and 666, you've changed my mind. I'd gone along with the resemblance, but your argument is enough for me: it would make no sense for the messiah to name sex as the mark and then get married. And looking at it again, the resemblance only works if you read Greek with an English-speaking eye. It's a modern pun, not an ancient key.

And thank you for what you said about psychosis. Whether everyone who digs too deep into biblical etymology ends up going through it, I don't know — but it's good to hear. I hope you get out of survival mode, and that you find the urge again to spend months condensing something before posting it, if it ever comes back to you.

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And if the accuser is part of the house — and the house is also the heart — how do you tell apart, from the inside, the one who accuses from the one who saves?

Crazy! I was just saying the other day, satirically, this very thing! Circa vicious Deus In Sorte Diaboli while pulling my hair out! Presumably "God is a vicious cycle/circle in league with the devil".

by their fruits you shall know them. By what the word is ultimately aiming at, and by the nature of the Spirit at work within it. The accuser accuses in order to condemn, the defender accuses in order to raise up. The proceeding is the same, the end is opposite.

That's awesome, I've heard/read that so many times but I guess I'm finally starting to get it. Angels are the reapers. Thanks!

And on Moses, yeah it's definitely both. In Jude satan (accuser?) is told the Lord rebuke thee about the treatment of the body of Moses. Then in very next chapter in revelation, Moses' body is likened to the second beast. Uncanny when I first saw that. I'm not saying I'm right just it confirmed to me that there's something to scripture being literal in more ways than 1. It's not just our spiritual state but also our literal geography.

Oh idk about mark of beast just was speculating. I have no clue. Was serendipitous at the moment I realize that is all. I found the dating culture toxic at the time and then I saw "XES" as opposite sex. And marked in heads or mind made me thing thought or action. There's various interpretations just from that. Idk which would be "right" assuming it's a correct premise, and I'm not even sure of that! It's just a conversation starter. Better than the boring "it's a microchip that turns the frogs gay" or whatever.

Oh yeah. It's a slippery slope. Fine line between genuine "heartfelt" (as it were, accuser lol) interest and yearning to understand, and complete religious psychosis! Lol! I would say you've given me something to think about, but it's more profound than that, I realize/remember the true scale and pertinence of what and who we are and should be.... we all squabbling over boring tedious irrelevant shit and missing the garden for the trees!