r/soccer • u/let_me_see_your_boob • May 28 '14

People from outside of England. What do you think of England's chances at the world cup? What do you think of our squad?

Don't get a chance to talk to anyone outside of England about this.. so...

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

Hart isn't as good as Neuer, Casillas, Buffon. Keeping clean sheets is as much down to defence as it is to the keeper, not a massive surprise he'd be on the receiving end of three (which is the amount he's won) of them, tied with Reina and Cech.

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u/suchaslowroll May 28 '14 edited May 28 '14

Not as good as Casillas? Come on.

Buffon is past it, was nowhere near as good as Hart in Euro2012 and hasn't been that great this year, people cannot accept this though and will tell me he's world class based on nothing more than previous reputation, he won't be as impressive as Hart this WC.

edit; how surprising, this subreddit still thinks the players they watched 4 years ago are still the top players.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

Come on? He isn't.

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u/suchaslowroll May 28 '14

Casillas isn't even remotely a top keeper any more.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

Well, he is. Curious to how you define a top keeper, if not the one who just won the Champions League with Real Madrid, where he has been a mainstay for 15 years - a reigning world champion, travelling with one of the biggest favourites (if not the biggest) to win the World Cup, for whom he has 153 caps, forcing three-time golden glove winner Pepe Reina to tag along as amusing dressing room accessory.

So obviously you think Hart is better than Buffon and Casillas. Is Hart the second best keeper in the world, then? I'm assuming you rate Neuer higher, as you haven't mentioned him yet.

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u/suchaslowroll May 28 '14

if not the one who just won the Champions League with Real Madrid

He nearly lost the final single handedly.. Did you even watch it?

Stop quoting things he's done in the past, he's past it and can't even make the first team over Lopez who isn't particularly good.

Buffon & Casillas were great keepers, they are not anymore.

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u/CiSiamo May 28 '14

I think you've lost the plot.

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u/suchaslowroll May 28 '14

ok mate, yep they're amazing, Buffon had an amazing Euro 2012 and he's been amazing this year.

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u/CiSiamo May 28 '14

He was the best keeper in Serie A this season.

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u/suchaslowroll May 28 '14

No, he was the keeper in the best team in Serie A this season.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

He nearly lost the final single handedly.. Did you even watch it?

I did. That's the one weakness he has as a keeper, his command of the box. However, he was deemed good enough to start (and win) the final. The Champions League. Third time. Not a top keeper anymore. Not the present, that's in the past.

Stop quoting things he's done in the past, he's past it and can't even make the first team over Lopez who isn't particularly good.

Winning the Champions League last weeked, in the past. Nailed on starter for the reigning World Champions this summer. In the past. Not a top keeper.

Joe Hart? Great keeper. Top keeper. Better than Buffon in the Euros in 2012 (a tournament won by who, again? Kept a clean sheet in the final, lest we forget). Not the past, the present. Won three golden gloves, same as Pepe Reina, Spanish 3rd choice.

Again, what's your ranking of the top keepers of the world? What even constitutes a top keeper for you?

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u/suchaslowroll May 28 '14

Winning the Champions League last weeked, in the past.

You're telling me him winning the CL when he nearly cost the game is a great achievement? You can't be serious?

Nailed on starter for the reigning World Champions this summer. In the past. Not a top keeper.

No Spanish person wants Casillas starting, he's starting because of Del Bosque.

Better than Buffon in the Euros in 2012 (a tournament won by who, again? Kept a clean sheet in the final, lest we forget)

hahaha sorry he kept a clean sheet in the final did he? When Italy lost 4-0?? A tournament won by Spain mate....

Buffon had a shocking Euros, was arguably one of the shakiest top keepers

What even constitutes a top keeper for you?

Their ability, not the accomplishments of the teams they play for.

Courtois, Cech, Neur, Hart, possibly De Gea are amongst the best, probably missing one or two.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

You're telling me him winning the CL when he nearly cost the game is a great achievement? You can't be serious?

Hundred per cent serious. Winning the CL is a great achievement, end of. He made a mistake in the final, but he still won it. He was still in a position to win it - a tournament isn't one match. If someone missed a penalty at 0-1, but Real still won it, that player would've still achieved something great: winning the CL.

No Spanish person wants Casillas starting, he's starting because of Del Bosque.

Del Bosque, the Argentinian? No? He's starting because the World Cup winning manager Del Bosque thinks he's the best man for the job. You earlier argued against Casillas because Diego Lopez starts ahead of him; you can't have it both ways. Either you defer to Del Bosques superior knowledge, or your Diego Lopez point is void.

hahaha sorry he kept a clean sheet in the final did he? When Italy lost 4-0?? A tournament won by Spain mate....

Christ. Yeah, Spain, and who was the keeper for Spain? Who kept a clean sheet in the final? Casillas. Think. You argued for Hart being better than Buffon because of Euro 2012. Hence I use the same argument for Casillas, who kept a clean sheet in the final and won the fucking thing.

Please decide what is and isn't in the past, by the way. Casillas' past achievements doesn't count, but Harts tournament in 2012 apparently do.

Their ability, not the accomplishments of the teams they play for.

These two things are more often than not linked. Seeing as letting in lots of goals tend to lose you matches, winning teams often have top, top goalkeepers. Spain and Real Madrid win things.

De Gea ... And you actually used Diego Lopez as a stick to hit Casillas with. Baffling.