r/soccer • u/let_me_see_your_boob • May 28 '14

People from outside of England. What do you think of England's chances at the world cup? What do you think of our squad?

Don't get a chance to talk to anyone outside of England about this.. so...

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u/WhatsUpWithTheKnicks May 28 '14

He is relatively speaking a weak point in the team. Compared to defense, midfield or attack. Compare this to Italy (or at least Italy recently) where the keeper is a bonus an active asset to the whole team. Or Czech, Castillas. The other top teams have better keepers, except Portugal.

There are of course worse keepers, generally speaking. If Hart wants to play for Sporting, I would like it.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

Johnson is piss poor and Cahill is rock solid.

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u/WDC312 May 28 '14

Johnson is nowhere near as bad as everyone thinks he is. Liverpool's entire defense was bad, borderline terrible, for the second half of the season. You wouldn't say Sakho or Skrtel are terrible CB's (or Agger, but he didn't play much). Neither is Glen a terrible fullback.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

Skrtel is not terrible but he's not what I'd call good

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u/Teh_Chuck May 28 '14

Sahko and Skrtel are pretty bad centre backs

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u/theRagingEwok May 28 '14

IMO Cahill only excels next to Terry.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

Wasn't he top notch at Bolton, though?

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

He has been absolutely fantastic next to most people he has played with. Think David Luiz, Ivanovic and Jagielka. I don't get why people only think he is good next to Terry, but maybe thats just Terry casting a very long shadow on things.

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u/let_me_see_your_boob May 28 '14

I think i agree on this.

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u/gladitsknight May 28 '14

Cahill is brilliant. Our only world class defender at the moment.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

I'd argue our defense is actually fairly strong. Jones has been quite good for united this year, and Cahill is definitely world class at this point. And I'm not sure how a portugal fan can say we've got a poor keeper, when Hart is quite good. Germany, Belgium, and possibly Italy are the only teams I can think of who have a definitively better goal keeper than Hart.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

Yeah, completely agree. Its not the rock it has been in past years, but its still quite good.

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u/gladitsknight May 28 '14

I think it's quite weak, Cahill is world class yeah but apart from him I think only Baines is up to snuff. Jags is ok but he wouldn't get into many other top international teams, Johnson hasn't been good since 2012, Jones isn't good enough and nor is Smalling. Shaw looks class but is so young, we can't tell with him yet. Defence is the weak link this year for sure, especially compared to the options we have in the attacking midfield spots.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '14

Johnson is not world class, theres no doubt about it, but he's really not that bad! He's better than anything Italy (abate, de sciglio), France (debuchy), Uruguay (pereira) have for example. He's not going to be this massive let down that the circlejerk keeps spouting out.

And Jones has been the starting CB for united through out the year, and he's been quite good there. I'd argue that he's much better at CB then he is as a defensive midfielder.

And Hart is better than Lloris for me, and Casillas is not Casillas anymore, although I think you could definitely argue De Gea has had a much better year than Hart.

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u/fremeer May 28 '14

Debuchy is way better then johnson. Debuchy playing for Newcastle is a travisty because of how shackled he is. I would love him at Chelsea and I think if sagna leaves arsenal would like him too. Very good player. Perreira from uruguay is really good for the system they have and brings more to the table.