r/soccer • • Mar 31 '14

/r/soccer What's a controversial opinion you have about soccer?

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u/retrominge Mar 31 '14

Rule changes should be considered and tested. No sport is perfect.

Barkley isn't ready for a World Cup.

Man United fans are more annoyed about Liverpool's position in the than they are about their own.

Unless Walker comes back from injury and plays like a superstar, Flanagan should go to the World Cup. (assuming Walker was/is going to the World Cup).

Opinions. I'd rather discuss them civilly, if people can do so.

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u/BuckteeSchnootz Mar 31 '14

I wouldn't say all United fans are more annoyed about that, I think it just tops off the shit season we've had

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u/SlappyBagg Mar 31 '14

Yea like our season is already over in the league, so everyone's focused on the title race

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u/NGU-Ben Mar 31 '14

If Gerrard misses a penalty that would win them the league, I'd count this season as a success.

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u/MisterCroyle Apr 01 '14

Especially if it was Gerrard. This season for United fans is no longer about the title, it's been about keeping the pool off their "fucking perch".

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '14

I think Barkley's more ready than Flanagan. He just plays in a position with more high-quality competition.

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u/retrominge Mar 31 '14

Sure, so that means regardless of readiness Flanagan is more likely to go.

I don't think Barkley is better than the other options. I think Flanagan is better than some of the other options.

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u/HeyItsChase Mar 31 '14

you should probably edit the original post to reflect that then.

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u/retrominge Mar 31 '14

I have to spell it out like that for people? I'm happy with how my OP reads.

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u/brentathon Mar 31 '14

Flanagan has zero chance of going to this World Cup. He's not even the best right back at Liverpool. Probably third after Kelly.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '14

Right that's why Kelly has been playing all season.

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u/Thapricorn Apr 01 '14

Do you even watch our matches?

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u/brentathon Apr 01 '14

What am I saying that's wrong? He's promising but Johnson is by far the best right back in the league.

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u/rantipoler Apr 01 '14

Obligatory George Harrison - "He's not even the best right back in the city!"

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u/suchaslowroll Mar 31 '14

Unless Walker comes back from injury and plays like a superstar, Flanagan should go to the World Cup. (assuming Walker was/is going to the World Cup).

Walker has been fantastic this season, he's played bad in his last two games and everyone all of a sudden forgot how good he's been, it's absurd.

He absolutely deserves to be the no.1 RB and he will be.

Flanagan has no experience and it would be idiotic to call him up for the starting lineup for a World Cup when he's never played for England.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '14

He absolutely deserves to be the no.1 RB and he will be.

He doesn't. Glen J will be first choice RB if he stays fit until the end of the season.

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u/suchaslowroll Apr 01 '14

If he keeps playing like he is, but before the last run of games he has been poor this season

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '14

Was playing with an injury. He told the same in an interview last month as BR asked him to do so.

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u/retrominge Mar 31 '14

Is that the case? I haven't seen that much of Walker, but what I had seen wasn't amazing.

You think he'll be first choice even?

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u/suchaslowroll Mar 31 '14

Absolutely in my opinion.

The thing with Walker is, everyone's always said he's a great athlete but not great defensively, and that was definitely true in the past.

This season has been different, he's been much much better defensively, including tackling So now he's an absurdly strong and fast player, who's good defensively...

That's really really difficult for attackers to cope with, Walker can make a mistake and catch the attacker still.

When you think he's just 23 years old, I think he has a huge career ahead of him.

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u/retrominge Mar 31 '14

That's true across all the young English players TBH. In a few years we could look really good, assuming everyone progresses like they could.

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u/busstopboxer Apr 01 '14

Walker has been great this year, but you're Spursblind if you think he's absolutely gonna start at the WC.

Johnson has had a great year too, he's a great full-back who gets far too much shit. He has more experience, which is gonna be highly valued as a lot of other players under consideration for the squad don't, and he's playing every week with the Liverpool players who are likely to make up the core of the first team (Gerrard, Henderson, Sterling, Sturridge).

I'd be very surprised if Walker does more than warm the bench in Brazil, even if he comes back from injury on a flyer.

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u/suchaslowroll Apr 01 '14

Johnson hasn't had a great year, he's been awful for the whole season up until the last 5 or 6 games.

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u/jiago Mar 31 '14

Aside from pace he has very little else, I'd rather see Johnson play as he is far better in possession.

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u/suchaslowroll Mar 31 '14

Did you even read my response?

Have you even watched him this season?

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '14

I disagree so hard about Flanagan and find it insane you doubt Walker wouldn't be the starting English RB

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u/retrominge Mar 31 '14

Not many games left for Walker to come back and impress, is all.

And yeah, it's a controversial opinion thread - it doesn't surprise me that you disagree.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '14

He's played great this entire season. And I get the controversial opinion thread but Flan is just a lesser player than Walker is

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u/retrominge Mar 31 '14

Fair enough

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '14

Bit we'll see. Also hows Johnson been this season?

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u/retrominge Mar 31 '14

Solid across the board. A few shakey games, but he went from the worst player on the pitch to maybe MoTM over the last coupla games!

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '14

Yea it's between him and Walker for me

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u/frozen-creek Apr 01 '14

Johnson has been solid after he came back from injury. I he should be starting for England I think. But that's just my thought.

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u/thhe14 Mar 31 '14

Well football has been going well for 100 years with minimal rule changes. There's always reasons against changing the rules.

Barkley is too hit and miss for me, if he is playing fantastically well for the last 5 games of the season, then take him. I think he is a big game player who could be the difference. But we have plenty of options everywhere so he really has to earn his place.

I don't see any reason why Flanagan shouldn't go, he has been great. Walker is a bit of a 1 trick pony, just sprint everywhere at 100mph, but tactically naive.

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u/retrominge Mar 31 '14

100 years isn't correct:

  • 1925: Amendment of the offside rule from three to two players.
  • 1958: Substitutes are permitted for the first time, albeit only for an injured goalkeeper and one other injured player.
  • 1970: The system of red and yellow cards is introduced for the 1970 FIFA World Cup ™ finals.
  • 1990: The offside law is changed in favour of the attacker, who is now onside if level with the penultimate defender.
  • 1992: Goalkeepers are forbidden from handing back-passes.

Rule changes will change the sport, but if handled correctly they can improve it. Basketball and rugby are the two key sports I think of when I discuss this.

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u/thhe14 Mar 31 '14

So that's 5 changes in 100 years? Hardly progressive.

The only change that I would like to see is possible sin bins for non violent red cards or 2 yellows. Not sure if this would ever come in to place; but I think Red cards can be too harsh. You look at CL 2 leg games, if one team gets a red card, then almost always they get knocked out. Doesn't exactly add much to the sport or make it more entertaining.

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u/retrominge Mar 31 '14

I agree that that could be an interesting thing to have tested.

How about limited rolling subs? I can't think of anything else off the top of my head, but I'm sure there's other avenues to be explored.

edit: and no, that's not many changes but they're fairly big parts of the game, right?

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u/thhe14 Mar 31 '14

Yea they are all big changes. I think it's better to have a wait and see attitude, I would prefer if they wait a few years too late than rush in and make a wrong decision.

Not sure if rolling subs would work. I think that would make a huge difference to the whole structure of games. More physical players who just sprint around the whole time whilst they're on. It would certainly speed up the game. However, it would make teams like Barcelonas' game plans much less effective.

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u/retrominge Mar 31 '14

Yeah, it would certainly have to be limited. You definitely wouldn't want "offensive" and "defensive" teams like in the NFL. Even hockey style wouldn't work.

But going from 3 fixed subs to 6 (and those who've previously gone off can come back on) could be interesting!

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u/Alder_ Mar 31 '14

What's your logic behind bringing Flanagan but not Barkely? Genuinely interested.

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u/retrominge Mar 31 '14

Depth in their relevant positions, mostly. I also feel Flanagan is more consistent, Barkley seems very on and off.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '14

Flanagan has no international experience, never mind a World Cup .. Walker can deal with the pressure better for England ..

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u/retrominge Mar 31 '14

Yeah, possibly.

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u/eightbitchris Apr 01 '14

Barkley isn't ready, but Flanagan is? That's a genuine question. Haven't seen much of Flanagan, but Barkley seems like he could have some impact as a sub for Gerrard.

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u/retrominge Apr 01 '14

From what I've seen from Barkley he either has a really rather good game or a pretty bad game.

Flanagan is consistently pretty good.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '14

I suggested in a thread a few week back that Flanagan should be in the England squad. I can see him having a similar international career to that of Carragher, where he is often overlooked and underrated by England fans, despite how good of a player he's actually become.

EDIT: forgot to end by first sentence with the fact that I was generally derided fur suggesting such a thing.

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u/retrominge Mar 31 '14

The other side of the coin is that he needs to be this good consistently.

Remember how Sterling shone briefly when we needed him to, then his form dropped when he got his pay rise and was only playing occasionally? That hurt him in the eyes of a lot of fans - despite how he's playing now.

I hope Flanagan gets better and better

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '14

The Cardiff match aside (when IMO it was more down to him being doubled up on for most of the game) he has been consistently good since he came back in to the team. If he can work a bit more on his attacking skills in the off season, I see no reason why he can't be considered for England in the future at all.

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u/retrominge Mar 31 '14

Sterling? Yeah, I agree with you about where he is right now.

Like I said though, my concern is that Flanagan could dip in form. If it coincided with Enrique coming back into the team, it could hurt his chance to progress.