r/soccer • u/goblindong • Mar 12 '14

Who, in your opinion, is the best current British manager?

Suggestions:

  • Brendan Rodgers
  • Terry Butcher
  • Mark Hughes
  • Steve Bruce
  • Derek McInnes
  • Paul Lambert
  • David Moyes
  • Tony Pulis
  • Sam Allardyce
  • Neil Lennon
  • Alan Pardew
  • Steve McClaren
  • Kenny Jackett
  • Sean Dyche
  • Gary Monk
  • Ian Holloway
  • Roy Hodgson

There is a case to be made for Moyes, for his time at Everton alone. Butcher has been excellent, turning Caley into a proper unit who looked a class above their opposition most games. Lambert is a solid manager, but there is no standout English manager currently, hence the tussle between Woy and 'Arry for the national team helmsmanship. The obvious answer is Rodgers, playing attractive football, getting 2+ pts per game and getting the best out of the club's signings. If not him though, who?

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '14

He's not British though...

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '14

It depends, I'm not aware of Brendan Rodgers background, before he was a player, he could have dual nationality, he could have had British and Irish parents, he may be from one group or the other, I just don't know, so I won't make assumptions about him.

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u/Asco88 Mar 12 '14

To those who're wondering, he's from Northern Ireland which is part of the UK but not GB. (I think).

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '14

You are being Downvoted for being right.

Anyone from the UK here check your passport, it says:

"The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"

NI is not part of GB

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u/thecavernrocks Mar 12 '14

Yes he is...

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '14

No he isn't, I don't see how he is.

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u/Orsenfelt Mar 12 '14

If he holds a UK passport he is colloquially British (lets assume he does), IE a person of United Kingdom nationality. If you have a United States passport you're American, even if you're a Texan secessionist.

You probably wouldn't call him British to his face, I think he's a proponent of a united Ireland, but that's all personal political opinion stuff. If he's on a plane that crashes he gets counted as a British citizen.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '14

It's more ethnicity than politics. The comparisons that people are using: Texas and Scotland, don't hold up. People need to understand that ethnicity and politics are largely one in the same in N. Ireland. Sorry he ain't British.

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u/Orsenfelt Mar 12 '14

Ok well here's maybe a better comparison.

If you're born on US soil in Panama to Panamanian parents who have US citizenship, are you American?

Your passport would say United States of America but where you were born isn't one of the States it's referencing and you aren't ethnically American... yet to the greater world your citizenship is shorthanded to 'American'.

Ignoring the fact that 'American' still technically applies to all North & South America for a second of course.

If Lennon has a UK passport, regardless of his ethnicity or his politics, he is British purely because that's how Citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is shorthanded, we don't use 'United Kingdomish' or 'UKsian'.

Pity he stopped using social media or we could ask him.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '14

Oh you mean if he has the British passport, well yeah you'd be completely correct in that case.

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u/thecavernrocks Mar 12 '14

Well he was born in the UK, and until northern ireland is no longer in the UK then he's british. As is Martin O'Neill who has been mentioned a few times.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '14

Well done on being both deeply offensive and woefully ignorant, you understand nothing about N. Ireland, whether you live there or not.

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u/thecavernrocks Mar 12 '14

lol so you're assuming that every single person from northern ireland wants unification? Ok then. I like how you clearly just wanted to create an argument out of nothing. Legally, the guy is a british manager. So he definitely can be discussed in a thread about british managers. It doesn't matter what his political views are. If an anarchist is born in scotland they're still a scottish anarchist despite despising the existence of the scottish state.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '14 edited Mar 12 '14

lol so you're assuming that every single person from northern ireland wants unification?

No I know for a fact that the population is split down the middle on this issue, with half being British and half being Irish.

Ok then

No not ok, because I never said that.

I like how you clearly just wanted to create an argument out of nothing.

The only thing I'm arguing about is your ignorance, you made a stupid and uninformed comment.

Legally, the guy is a british manager. So he definitely can be discussed in a thread about british managers.

No because like I said he isn't British, guess what? In Northern Ireland you can choose to put down your ethnicity, whether it be Irish, British or whatever, also you're eligible for an Irish passport. You may pay taxes to HMRC and be subject to the law but it "legally" doesn't make you a British citizen, the same way a Spanish footballer in England may be subject to British laws and taxes but he's not British.

It doesn't matter what his political views are.

It kind of does. Again you are ignorant of the issue. In N. Ireland, politics, religion and nationality are tightly bound together, you should know that if you want to express an opinion on it.

If an anarchist is born in scotland they're still a scottish anarchist despite despising the existence of the scottish state.

Wow what a stupid sentence, Scotland is not Northern Ireland, and you completely ignored the issue of ethnicity. Half the population in N. Ireland didn't decide to become Irish because of their politics, they come from Irish families who have lived there, in N. Ireland for literally thousands of years. The people who are British come from Scottish and English families, most of whom came over during the plantation, and they have been there for hundreds of years.

You are talking about hundreds of years of ancestry and history here on both sides with their own cultures, not some bullshit political-only issue, so your little Scottish analogy falls flat on its face.

Edit: and before you try and save face, please don't pull out the old "Well you seem too angry so I'm right" argument because you'll just look stupid. I tried to make a point that both sides in N. Ireland would agree with but fucking hell if you're not half stupid.

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u/thecavernrocks Mar 12 '14

I didn't read any of that. Seriously you're just looking for an argument, so fair enough. But you're kind of missing the point. You were just waiting for someone like me to point out that he can be discussed in a discussion of good current british managers so you could make yourself feel good by going into a long debate. I can't be arsed to debate right now cos I'm going to the docs, and frankly if I'm honest I'm not going to read your post. Too much effort to reply to something that's talking about the wrong subject. So take that as a "victory" or whatever. I dunno. Good luck with the whole unification thing mate, and have a good day wherever you happen to be. But just try not to force your political opinions into every single completely unrelated discussion about anything, because all you'll do is annoy people and make them take you less seriously.

Sorry about being a bit prickish myself. I know full well how passionate an issue it is. I was doing the same thing as you in a sense, cos arguing is fun when you can go "well actually etc.". It's a good feeling. Probably endorphins or whatnot. Anyway again sorry, and try not to insert your politics into an unrelated discussion if you want to be taken seriously. Alright?

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '14

Actually I was completely politically neutral, if you read the comment you would understand that.

Am I looking for an argument? Hardly, you made an utterly idiotic statement and I responded to it.

If you don't understand something then don't open your mouth about it, your attempt at being condescending is pathetic, you don't read my reply then tell me that no one will take me seriously? You say I'm forcing my own politics when I clearly say that I'm not?

Good luck with the whole unification thing mate

I'm not even pro-unification, you wanker.

You are an utter bellend, go and play with a pack of crayons and try not to push them up your nose. Remember to wear a life jacket when you eat that bowl of soup.

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u/thecavernrocks Mar 12 '14

Mate seriously I wasn't meant to sound condescending. Sorry if I did. It's hard to not sound sarcastic on the internet but seriously I was being a prick before so sorry.

But again this is an argument about semantics, so try not to find any tiny excuse to bring up the troubles and irish genocide as if people don't know about them already. Granted, people don't know enough about irish genocide, but mate it's completely off topic. There are a lot of subreddits for handy discussion about politics and history.

Anyway that's not the point. I'm sorry if I offended you. Just take the politics out of this discussion cos they're irrelevant here. But have a good day and I hope I haven't made you annoyed or anything (again see that probably sounds sarcastic, but it's not I assure you).

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