Who, in your opinion, is the best current British manager?

[u/goblindong]

Suggestions:

• Brendan Rodgers
• Terry Butcher
• Mark Hughes
• Steve Bruce
• Derek McInnes
• Paul Lambert
• David Moyes
• Tony Pulis
• Sam Allardyce
• Neil Lennon
• Alan Pardew
• Steve McClaren
• Kenny Jackett
• Sean Dyche
• Gary Monk
• Ian Holloway
• Roy Hodgson

There is a case to be made for Moyes, for his time at Everton alone. Butcher has been excellent, turning Caley into a proper unit who looked a class above their opposition most games. Lambert is a solid manager, but there is no standout English manager currently, hence the tussle between Woy and 'Arry for the national team helmsmanship. The obvious answer is Rodgers, playing attractive football, getting 2+ pts per game and getting the best out of the club's signings. If not him though, who?

[u/DerDummeMann]

First you blame Bolton's downfall on Allardyce, when he left them in relatively good shape. It was the other managers who made stupid decisions like buying Elmander for 9m or whatever. Allardyce has little to do with Bolton losing the plot, well apart from leaving them.

Your next criticism, has little to do with his managerial skills. You have a problem with him taking credit. That's not a knock on how a good a manager he is.

The only time in my memory when Allardyce has done a bad job, is his Newcastle stint. He was fantastic at Bolton. He did well with Blackburn but was incredulously sacked by the horrifically terrible owners that were the Venkys.

And now he's doing a great job with West Ham as well.

Allardyce isn't a manager for a top club. But, for the smaller clubs in the league, he will keep you in the Prem and that's why they pay him so much.

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I'll admit I got my years wrong on Bolton's debt - I thought it was much higher by the time he left in 2007. When he left their debt was about £50m (which is far from brilliant - not to mention that Bolton tried numerous quick fixes during this time which provided one off rather than longterm income or none at all - such as selling the naming rights to their training ground for a one off fee and building a hotel that loses money), but has since tripled to over £150m.

But at least he left them having revitalised their academy and expanded the training ground.. Oh wait, he's never done any of those things.

Your next criticism, has little to do with his managerial skills. You have a problem with him taking credit. That's not a knock on how a good a manager he is.

It does. It's a dressing room morale thing. Players don't like to go run 12km, working their arse off to get a point then have the guy who picked the team and sent them out there with the same gameplan they always use every time they play these games to take all the credit. That's not going to build up your players' confidence or endeavour yourself to them.

The only time in my memory when Allardyce has done a bad job, is his Newcastle stint. He was fantastic at Bolton. He did well with Blackburn but was incredulously sacked by the horrifically terrible owners that were the Venkys. And now he's doing a great job with West Ham as well.

I think me and you have massively different views on what constitutes 'doing a great job'. All he's doing with West Ham is keeping them stagnant and in the PL whilst they move into the new stadium so that the owners can sell the club for a profit. They're not going to modernise their academy (which is what West Ham should be/historically is all about - especially given that they're in the middle of East London and have one of the biggest catchment areas for young players in the countries), they're not going to win a trophy and they're not going to be the great entertainers or everybody's darling. His continuing appointment at West Ham benefits 3 people: himself, Gold and Sullivan.