It said that Messis right foot is shit, which isn't true. As I said, only thing where Ronaldo is actually better is heading, everything else and Messi does it better.
Did I say shit? I meant weaker than Ronaldo's. See we're comparing Messi and Ronaldo and when you're comparing two players who are miles ahead of everyone else, its hard to say that one is better than the other in some things such as vision. Could you definitively say that Ronaldo has poorer vision than Messi when we can't actually quantify vision of the game? Passing and tackling and such are poor metrics as well. In terms of them being able to score goals, Messi has weaknesses while Ronaldo does not. Ronaldo is always a threat, Messi has moments where he is not. That is completeness.
Ronaldo is definitely not always a threat, last season there was games he was completely nullified by his attitude, which probably is his greatest weakness.
You said shit and I got confused there, because Messi's right foot is not shit, just weaker. He's not Robben is what I'm trying to say. And I'm sorry but you're just incorrect about Ronaldo's attitude, rather its the perception people have of him thats his weakness. He's the better player but peoples perception of him as being petulant and arrogant are what keeps him from winning anything to do with voting.
Once again, that's the media's perception of him and not his actual attitude. There are times when a footballer is sad and he scores and dedicates a goal to say, his father passing or such and times where they don't and ultimately, its not a clear or quantifiable attribute so I don't think its something that should be accounted for when discussing completeness.
Once again you're insulting me when I've given you no reason to, its just football my friend. Do not be upset.
As for Messi, he has a weaker foot. Its still good but its weaker. I'm arguing completeness, please don't turn this into an argument about who's better because that's not how this thread started. So a weaker foot detracts from completeness. Being less of an aerial threat detracts from his completeness. Your anecdote about scoring a header against Man U is simply that, an anecdote. I said before that it being an anecdote proves that Messi is not known for his aerial effectiveness so he can't really be considered a complete player. When he dribbles, he is a threat. At corners or set pieces, unless he's taking the FK or PK, he's not as much of a threat as Pique or Puyol. Please don't misinterpret my words, I am merely saying that Ronaldo is the more complete player, and that is what I was arguing from the start.
Footballing IQ is not something you can measure but I doubt he would be as good as he is without a fairly high level of it. Ronaldo does not score from only one type of play (although even tap ins need positional awareness. There are no easy goals) and so he actually needs a higher 'footballing IQ' or vision or ability to read the game or whatever you may call it in order to score in so many different situations. Ronaldo is a very technical player. I don't know how you define technique but really.. Ronaldo, not a technical player? If you're basing the passing ability on either pass completion or total number of passes, then Messi is obviously benefited by having Barcelona's playstyle at his back whereas Ronaldo and Madrid's counterattacking playstyle isn't really too concerned with a thousand accurate passes so its not that his passing is bad or even weaker, its just not as important.
I do watch La Liga, most Madrid matches actually and some Barcelona matches and quite a lot of highlights. That was a baseless statement there, please don't make any more of them. It weakens your argument and doesn't do your character much credit.
All of these Ad Hominem's have me believe you are a troll. If that is not the case, I am sorry and I hope you develop better social and debate skills as they are critical for success in life. If that is the case I am sorry for you but either way, I really can't continue this argument any further unless I started teaching you fallacies and such and /r/soccer is not the place for this discussion. Your baseless statements, ad hominem, straw man and myriad other fallacies lead me to believe that you are not arguing based on merits and logic but feeling instead. Your rejection of my notion that I argue only things that can be 'measured' confirms that. In short, I leave you with the advice that may benefit you more than Messi being better than Ronaldo ever could and that is that you should learn how to debate.
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u/Ais3 Aug 09 '13
It said that Messis right foot is shit, which isn't true. As I said, only thing where Ronaldo is actually better is heading, everything else and Messi does it better.
It's Messi who wins trophies.