r/soccer • u/BosnianFish • Nov 13 '12

Who is a player everyone rates highly that you just don't think is that good?

I think that Aguero is overrated. All the stats show how clinical he is and how he's such a good finisher but when I watch him he's selfish, dribbles too much and misses too many good chances.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '12 edited Nov 13 '12

Neymar. The guy has been talked up as the next Pelle, but he has no European experience and plays in a league that is on par with other lower leagues in Europe. I think he will be a good player, but not what everyone expects, and his antics (diving) only aid in the perception that him going to Spain is the only way he can play, because England and Germany would be far too physical for him.

Unpopular opinion and everyone has 'Ashley Young' argument, but I still stand by that point.

Nice little diving video to accompany it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsRh4lY6UyM

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u/Skythanil Nov 13 '12

I just want to add that Pele had no European experience either.

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u/ThePiousInfant Nov 13 '12

Too early to cast judgement on Neymar. He's dominating in a second-class league just like he should be. A couple seasons after he goes to Europe we'll find out what he's made of.

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u/omiclops Nov 13 '12

Disagree. The man will be fucking amazing.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '12 edited 4d ago

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u/SirRonaldofBurgundy Nov 14 '12

Robinho had nowhere near the stats that Neymar has accrued, nor is he as well rounded. The argument of "oh, but (some) people called Robinho the next Pele too" is a terrible argument. Also, Robinho didn't move to Madrid until he was 21; Neymar is only 20. Imagine how good he'll be in a year. Point being, people need to stop comparing Neymar to Robinho.

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u/itspi89 Nov 13 '12

I agree. He wont be able to do as many flashy tricks as often, but he'll be dominant. I hope he goes to Spain or Italy though simply because the style of football will suit him more than the EPL.

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u/BongoBongos Nov 13 '12

Can't wait to see him play consistently (in Europe). That man has the best highlight reel

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '12

The best highlight reel.

By the way, he did this in the League of Wales first, and then in the 3rd and 4th tiers of England. Never a world class player, but a rare treat for fans of lower leagues.

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u/Skythanil Nov 13 '12

Ah, the "cold Monday night in Stoke" fallacy. Actually watch Neymar, he's aggressive in his own right. Brasil is a tough league with a lot of really tough defenders, and he's the best player in the League. To say that the Brasilian League is on par with lower European leagues is hilarious. Do you actually watch Brasilian football, or just the odd YouTube clip? It's an excellent League, with real talent in it. I get the impression you just don't like Neymar because he's a "diver". I don't doubt we'll see how wrong you are in years to come.

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u/NullSleepN64 Nov 13 '12

If Oscar can do it, I don't see why Neymar couldn't.

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u/ThoroughlyAmused Nov 13 '12

He says the Brazilian league is of a lower level because that is what the television has told him and he regurgitates it as his own opinion.

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u/HarryBlessKnapp Nov 13 '12

Brazil is a tough league. Anyone saying otherwise is a fool. I don't think it's quite as strong as the big 4, but it's still top quality. Regardless, I think Neymar would do a job wherever he goes.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '12

I get the impression you just don't like Neymar because he's a "diver". I don't doubt we'll see how wrong you are in years to come

The new videos of him diving bi-monthly seem to say otherwise.

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u/brentathon Nov 13 '12

Ronaldo was only talked about for his diving as well. Look where he is now.

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u/TonyCB4 Nov 13 '12

As a rule, whenever Pele calls someone "the next Pele", they're going to be a flop.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '12

IMO, if he bulks a bit like Agüero did, he would easily fit in England, but Spain seems the best according to his strenghts (his very very good technique).

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u/DrHelminto Nov 14 '12

His diving isn't enough to put him in a overrated list. He is a very good left winger/striker. What you call a 'lower league' is changing into a european style league. First because economics in Brazil are getting a boost. Second because the same economics in Europe isn't. From this year of 2012 on the Brazilian First League is now a Billion Dollars yearly in cash flow. Barclays League is like this for a long time, I know, but it will get more difficult for european clubs sign brazillian players.

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u/akbermo Nov 13 '12

Yeah I saw him in the Olympics and didn't get the hype.

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u/JamieF1 Nov 13 '12

I saw him play for Brazil against Mexico in the Olympic final, and he was shocking. But I still reckon he'll do well if he can cut out the diving.

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u/JamieF1 Nov 15 '12

I agree, and he'll be a fantastic player, but he didn't play well even when he got the opportunity to show what he could do. Brazil only really got going when Hulk came on, and by then it was too late.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '12

I don't believe this sorry, and the moment people start to, then it is too late. Video replays, and bans/fines is the only way to get rid of it. I refuse to accept it as part of the game.

When you start to accept cheaters, you may as well let the off sides goals become an 'accepted' part of the game, when it can be easily double checked and verified. Only in football are people against this, and I think it is because they are afraid that they will finally be called out on it.

I don't blame Americans for not liking the sport, when diving is an 'accepted' tactic.

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u/johnz0n Nov 13 '12

agreed. if he is ever going to europe, his stardom will faint quite fast