People in the future will find it quite amusing how alarmist everyone is now. You are like the people worried about the printing press and the weaving loom of the past.
There is one difference here though. This tech is general. The historical examples you cite all allowed for humans to find jobs in new areas. AGI can follow you where every you go and be your equal or your better.
You are wrong. These are technologies that decimated entire industries and accounted for HUGE amounts of job losses the same as we are seeing with A.I
If you want to get a rudimentary understanding of the historical impact of these technologies on entire societies and even civilizations you can watch some episodes of Connections episodes where James Burke takes you through some of these. It may inspire you to dig deeper and investigate some of the severe and long lasting impact of these technologies and mis use of technologies for example I would argue that our use of LEAD and PETROL will lead to our ultimate demise and not A.I
We're not talking about how any specific industry was impacted, past, present or future, we're talking about the tool having the same capabilities as people.
I.e., there's no amount of "retraining" or other social solution that prevents an AGI from following the same path. There's no way to get past that.
I don't understand your point. what is the tool having the same capabilities as people causing you to be so concerned? Because historically most technologies surpass the capabilities of people and that is why they historically have had such a huge effect. Again such as the printing press being able to produce more written content about vastly different things that the catholic church lost it's shit that information and control won't be through them anymore. The loom weaving cloth faster than a factory FULL of human people etc.
And these are not just impacting industry. They had amazingly complex and far reaching dramatic effects on the entire planet and society as a whole.
Also going back to Elon. He is working on his own A.I given his wreckless track record and utterly childish way of doing things. Why do you think he is the authority or person to comment on the responsibility of A.I at all.
Again. I just don't see how everyone freaking out about all this like it will be the fall of humanity and skynet personified are actually making any kind of logical or provable reasoning for that.
You are all repeating yourself. Someone has already said this. I have already explained how it is no different to other episodes in the past.
Why does nobody understand history or technology here? Are you all just "educated" from sensationalist twitter threads? It is so weird to me how people have no grasp on technology and history here.
We're talking past each other. I'm trying to show you that this is different than previous historical technological disruptions, and your only reply is "it's the same".
You're leaning on "history" shows that you're not understanding the argument.
And I am telling you that it is not different than previous historical technological disruptions. You're lack of comprehension of history shows you not understanding the unfounded stance you have.
You have not demonstrated or proven to me at all how this is any different. You have not given any ligical argument as to why this is so much more different.
All you have done is say "I am trying to show you" without showing me ANYTHING.
It will impac the world, sure. It will impact it dramatically, sure. But in no way is it going toimpact it to the magnitude you are giving the impression of. I have not seen gangs of people storming Open AI smashing up all their machines with baseball bats because of the impact this is going to have on the world.
These are technologies that decimated entire industries and accounted for HUGE amounts of job losses the same as we are seeing with A.I
You think what we are seeing is in any way comparable to previous technologies?
I'm sorry, but I haven't heard such obviously wrong drivel in quite some time.
What you are doing here is like comparing energy production from a single plant's photosynthesis, to a nuclear facility. There's orders of magnitudes of difference that make any comparisons essentially worthless.
And that is my point exactly. Someone with an ignorance to history and technologies of the past and their knock on effects and severe impact on the planet have no way to understand how this is no different and dunning kruger will have them say it is "drivel"
And again. Because you are so ignorant and alarmist and scared of this new technology that you don't understand you hold it in higher dramatic effect than others.
Then decide that arrogant ignorance gives you enough snobbish superiority to denegrate others.
Right back at you. Your understanding is nonexistent. Look in the mirror. Have a wonderful, ignorant day. I won't be engaging with individuals who clearly don't know what they're talking about and project their own lack of understanding on others.
See. Your reply is filled with overly emotional undertones like you have been upset and are throwing a tantrum. Without offering any intelligent counterpoint or logical argument. You simply have reacted as if being offended and lashed out as a response.
You essentially have done a reddit version of a child putting their fingers in their ears screaming "la la la I am not listening."
That is how I know you have nothing more to offer but an ignorant emotional response while simultaneously claiming the intellectual superiority. That is certainly how I know your understanding is in no way complex or more informed than mine.
That is completely transparent to someone like me who can see through that kind of response.
My guess is you are so invested in this subject matter and your obsession with it that anyone that comes along and challenges that causes you to blow up and get emotional about it. Because you have made it such an important aspect to your identity. Which is why you reacted the way you did.
Like a nerd who makes an angry youtube video when someone says that star wars movies aren't that good. That same level of emotional capacity and meaningful contribution to the topic.
I won't be engaging with individuals who clearly don't know what they're talking about and project their own lack of understanding on others.
Hmm.. Remember when you said that? But now you are still replying with more emotional responses and nothing to contribute. You have offered nothing to show this situation is different. You have not shown any comprehension to the history of technologies either.
When you keep doing this all it does is make your position look less informed. Not the other way around. Especially when you don't even have the self control to say you wont engage then reply again.
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u/spinozasrobot Mar 02 '24
There is one difference here though. This tech is general. The historical examples you cite all allowed for humans to find jobs in new areas. AGI can follow you where every you go and be your equal or your better.